ALL ALTS listed in your profile

No Kris.

Failing my suggestion, what I have said over and over again is, make a better one.

In this regard, and so many who speak like you you, failure is revealed, and simple negativity is exploited.

Well done. Or not.

I again say. Holster your weapon, and make a better suggestion. Failing the ability to do so, perhaps listen, and reason.

Or, continue to attack the OP, and play semantics, and disappoint everybody looking for a solution to this problem.

You can Have alts. All you want. Do with them as you will. But everybody will know. That's it.

Wow 11 pages.

That would assume that we see the problem that you're seeing in the first place? Personally, I havent. So it's a non problem for me. So it doesnt require a solution.

Yeah yeah, I know. You can accuse me of having an "I'm alright Jack" kinda attitude. And you'd be right, too. I don't care enough about your personal problems to end the privacy of everyone in Second Life with other accounts.

Tcoz, I have to agree with Kris.

Even if you implemented transparency with alts, people could find ways around it. You can be issued new IP addresses, for instance.

Regardless of intent of benefit, I don't like the idea of creating a rule that will restrict everyone's anonymity and will leave a gaping hole for the target griefers can slip through.

I have said, several times. over and over.

If you have nothing else to say, propose another solution.

I AM AWARE THE COMMUNITY DISAGREES. Jeseeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus.

I read ever single post. I have not seen one that says THIS is a better idea, and structures it.

I guess if nothing else I created a post that...how are your fingers?

/grumble.

I have finished my Kung Pao noodles. They were good. I am now drinking NuVim, a macrobiotic drink that is good for blood, joints, and brain.

Btw.so, people are actually saying, that logging alts and griefing isn't a problem? Wow maybe you've never been carjacked, so it's not a problem just becuase you read about it in the news every day. Or maybe muggings if you've never been mugged. /pfft.

Btw some of you have actually made non-attack oriented attempts to respond. VERY few. But some. Thanx jinx.

Keep 'em coming, 11 pages strong.

Likewise.

And if you read my post carefully, I've argued that enacting your idea could have a consequence even worse than the status quo.

Ergo, status quo is a better choice.

We can try and come up with better solutions, but there's no need to keep bringing up the same, rejected one over and over.

And don't get me wrong, Tcoz... at first glance it sounds like a good idea. Griefers are so damn frustrating, and we should be banning them.

Actually, I just thought of a better counter-idea.

How about only griefers have their alts knowable? And only as a more severe punishment? Like, a week or more suspension would also result in that?

Hiro, you are onto something.

I would very much like to keep that line of thought going.

You grief, you get published. All your toons. My one requirement has been that a griefer should be known in all regards, in all entities. Stay on the level, no worries. Cross the line, all revealed.

What legit player, who uses alt legit, would have a problem with this. You?

Well done. Finally.

I was strongly against the alt idea... I have no alts, but I know people use them for privacy and to get away from people.... They have the right to live too lives.

But Hiro spoke wisdom. A griefer should loss those rights. This would even work for the whole "spouses in the same household" thing. Unless one is a jerk is the other isn't, it should be fine.

Let's continue thinking about this, then?

What about a graduated system where alt postings are like suspensions? Maybe a person, after an "alt-outing" but non-banning offense, is given say... a month or two, after which they regain their alt privacy?

I mean, if you're not gonna ban them, then you obviously think they could possibly change their ways.

"Personally, I havent. So it's a non problem for me."

What a world. Jeez. Well ignored Kris. Way to walk by that mugger.

"however, i think that should a person be found by ll to have seriously griefed someone or otherwise seriously violated the tos or cs that their veil of anonymity should be lifted. and in that case their alts should then crosslist."

Well said. And a positive way to contribute, like Hiro, a fair compromise to my original post. Thank you. I'm sorry I didn't note this earlier. Grief, lift the veil. Oh yah. StoneSelf Karuna, you are the originator of this solution and I salute you for, for once, saying something to actually further a solution on the boards. It is rare.

Anyway...why graduate?

Offense = disclosure. Period.

Could you give an example of a reason to graduate reports, in light of the fact we are supposed to be self governing? Or is that just * not * realistic?

Sorry Hiro I edited.

Btw sorry I don't buy your path of redemption. Too many examples prove otherwise. A circle is a circle.

Now that I yelled at the lady with the thermostat downstairs, I think the pipes will stop clanging all night. Maybe, for the first time in several days, I can actuallly sleep.

1. If you think someone is worth not banning, then you think they can change. If they can change, then they should be given a chance, after a "probation" free of any offenses.
2. If you ban permanently, they will be much more likely to find other ways to get alts anyway. Better to give them a legal option, let them walk a better path than force them down a mischivious one.

LOL! You are teh funneh. Especially after I actually said you'd pick up on that to respond. So predictable.

But yes. Thats exactly it. Because I believe people have a right to their privacy and don't have any issues with griefers in a virtual world that would make me think we ought to be fully disclosing everyone's alt accounts - WHICH YOU CANT ESTABLISH (way to go on ignoring that point consistently by the way) - I would walk by a mugger in real life. And kick the person he's mugging for good measure. Yup. I would too. You got me totally worked out, huh?

It amuses me how people with no real argument save for their own personal agenda they want to force on everyone else resort to obtuse and inaccurate analogies and accusations against anyone who disagrees. Which is why I shall miss Korg so.

You haven't' convinced me there is a problem yet. Why should I try and find you a solution?

Check out the SL police blotter for proof that there is still a problem.

But the solution isn't to strip away our privacy rights, of course.

Sure. There are a few fuckheads doing fuckhead type things. There always will be. Alts or no alts, disclosure or not. Some people are just fuckheads.

A few? I'm seeing 1-2 dozen reports of it a day.

Aaaand, as SL growth exponentially, so will the fuckheads. So unless more is done to cap the problem, it will be an increasingly difficult nighmare for LL to deal with.

(edited) Tcoz, I didn't realize you were working for the (edited) Lol.

Uncalled for, man.

Questioning me is also Un-American, Reitsuki

Heh heh heh heh....

I'm the new McCarthy. And that's Joe, as in GI Joe, McCarthy.

until they come up with a better "buddy list" with more complete privacy functionality, I would say a big NO to this idea. Hell, I don't support that idea at all to begin with! No matter what system is in place, some people will abuse it. Alt accounts are a nice way to get away and enjoy SL without the typical interruptions that might occur from using your regular account.

Edited to add: Yep Kris said it best. there will always be fuckheads. LOL

Wall Street, jeez. You're 11 pages out of synch.

Kris, c'mon. There are tons and tons of reports, this has been going on for a very long time. Saying it's not a problem is kinda blind.

Which means what, exactly?

Seriously though, as someone who's not American, nor has ever had any desire to be... it's a concept without meaning to me, you might just as well say Un-Latvian, or Un-Brazillian. Perhaps it should be a seperate thread, but what does it mean?

So you're saying:

SL x Growth= Growth x Fuckheads 2

Un-American is a term frequently invoked by US politicians, businessmen, military leaders, et al, when there exists a need to stir up strong feelings among the American people who will vehemently clamour against anything labelled "Un-American".

It is an effective tool for rallying and mobilizing the American public, who are unexplainably xenophobic and paranoid, despite the fact the US has never suffered an occupation, never had any major city levelled during hostilities, or never even been subject to a foreign invasion. Not counting the War of 1812 - which was total bullshit anyway.

She DID make an alternate suggestion, to leave the system alone as it stands! Ever hear of "if it aint broke, don't fix it?"

How about making this into a POLL instead of this incessant bantering back and forth? AHA that's my suggestion LOL

Atlanta wasn't burned to the ground during the civil war?

So it really is a meaningless concept then, lol. Thanks for clearing that up.