ALL ALTS listed in your profile

I have three alts and am not in favor of this suggestion. Two are for friends that don't have an Internet connection that come over and one is rarely used, sometimes to check permissions. But it's no big secrecy thing for me so ...

Fairplay Playfair - my friend Annie
Cinka Bismark - my friend Steve
Playfair Fairplay - rarely used

Would this idea list me as my husband's alt or him as mine?

Yeah, I wouldn't support this, I use my Alt to have a different life and do things differently then I would with this one

Showing Alts would be a definite breech of personal privacy. Even same IP banning could be tricky, for the many reasons already stated. I'm still for an av to av banning system. If someone keeps trolling, Kick them off your land! or freeze them put for about an hour works for me.

If you and your friends boycott SL because of griefing, your club is gone. And, thus, your apparent 15-hours-a-day job.

Oh well. There's only... *checks list* 104 more clubs.

The only thing we'd lose from system-enforced alt identity disclosure is the ability for people to lie about who they are. Think about that.

Yes, people could get separate credit cards, but people can do that now anyway. To argue that alt disclosure is pointless because of the separate-credit-card issue is like arguing that locks are pointless because they can be picked.

This is a no-brainer. We need alt disclosure.

Are you loaning these people money? Are you having them over to babysit the kids while you're out of town? If not, what difference does it make if they lie about who they are, and why is it anyone else's business?

Lets see Lord, you have -11 behavior, -10 appearance, -11 building.....gee.....could this be a griefer who doesnt like clubs/people having fun, or just enjoys griefing? hello??? anybody else paying attention here????

I'm paying attention, Mr. "Joined Dec 2003" with 16 posts.

That's Dec 04, not 03

Yeah. Me.

3 of the triple sets are from alt accounts that didn't like my forum postings.

2 of them are from an incident where I protested a jackass from ruining a Sim.

The rest is from the Zombie Incident.

Check your history.

If you want me to grief you, I mean, I can. But I won't, because i'm a nice guy

LF

hahahha I owned myself.. priceless.. my heart was in the right place dammit ;P

You actually bring up an interesting point, because I'm not, but I'd like to be able to. Buying a car in real life generally involves a loan, which is backed by law and can be enforced, if necessary, by repossession. SL currently does not allow for any of this, and I've learned (both from my mistakes and others') that you don't work on the "honor system" here.

So yes. I think a lot of people, especially those "raised on the Internet", don't have a proper appreciation that actions have consequences. Escaping into an alternate identity is one way this lack of appreciation manifests itself.

Exactly my thought. I pay for 5 accounts only one of which I would consider an "alt." The others are family members, all on my card account so that I maintain control over the tier fees and land purchases.

How could LL determine which was which? BAD IDEA!

Tcoz, I have to disagree with you here, but in the spirit of productive discussion, I'll put forward alternate suggestions.

Matter of fact, I'll just make use of my favorite new phrase from Torley Torgeson, Memetic Propagation, and link to it.

Add to land-management tools....Ban (Name) and All Alts)
<Edited to add> This is banning from someone's parcel, their land. This is NOT banning from the game.

Also, I think it might be worthwhile to restrict forum use to ONE account per credit card, in order to reduce the instances of nastiness and people agreeing with themselves in here.

But for every person you try to 'teach a lesson' by exposing alts, you're invading the privacy of someone who uses alts and secondary accounts for legitimate reasons.

I make no secret of who my husband is here, but that should remain my choice to make. If I chose not to claim any knowledge of Siggy or his asshatery, and to just enjoy a SL completely seperate from his, why should someone else feel the need to pry into who I share a CC and IP with? It's no one's business but ours.

I think the ability to ban a person and all of their alts from someone's land is excellent. Even if the alts are individual friends or spouse accounts, they can then be accountable to the other person if they have griefed someone. Also, it can be done without Linden intervention.

However, limiting in-world or forum to one account is a big problem for couples, and adult children who may all be on the same credit card who are all in SL.

It is a silly and hypocritical idea to 'ban' all alternate accounts.

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I should probably clarify, I think suspending one person's root account and all alts when they do griefing is a GREAT idea, but the rest of this post and indeed the line above is trying to say revealing a person's alts to another player on demand is BAD. My poor abilities of getting my thoughts out again, sorry

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If second life is to become "First LIfe" then everyone should have to submit their driving license on signup, and they should be forbidden from having a different name than their real name, or a different hair colour, and they should not be able to lie about age, gender or occupation.

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Now in Second Life, we enjoy escapism. For as long as we are logged in, we can be someone else. If we want to stop being a middle aged school teacher man, and be a 18 year old hot woman, that's the beauty of second life, the ability to be something totally different. So you see there's little weight to the argument you should be able to find out the truth about someone in "Second" life. This is the place for lies. It's neverland. Here you can have as many accounts as you want and be what you want. Take that away and you've just closed Second Life.

Okay, who gets to post? Me or my husband?

Tcoz, how do you define alt?
By credit card? Then I am Sinatra Cartier's alt, I guess, since he bought me this account back in Beta (Thank you Sin! )
And my other accounts, each bought by a different person, are the alts of those people instead of mine. So whatever I do will be blamed on them?
By IP? Sorry, my IP is dynamic. It changes several times a day, whenever I log on via PPPoE. My DSL isn't always-on.
Even if it was by IP block, with the multitude of "free" ISPs out there, I can create an account at a new ISP and be logged in with it in 5 minutes.
Not to mention the plethora of WiFi links I could borrow

For all those that say nothing is ever done, I can tell first hand it most certainly is.

Or at least it used to be.

I totally don't support the idea of listing all 'alts' simply because there's no way of knowing who is really an alt of the same person, and who is a roommate, spouse, or friend of that person who just happened to use the same credit card. I paid for a friend's basic account with my card, because they didn't have a card at that time. If their avatar was listed in my profile, stating that we were the same person, that would be incorrect and misleading.

And no, I don't have a better alternative, but that doesn't make my opinion any less valid. The idea is fundamentally flawed. If someone designs a car that explodes and kills everyone in it all the time, it is not neccessary for me to design a better vehicle in order to point out the first one doesn't work correctly. But now that I think of it... a kind of alternative is: instead of going after everyone with an alt, have a better response to griefers. Because really, alts aren't a problem themselves, its the griefers that are the problem. You don't ban cars just because bank robbers use them as getaway vehicles.

Listing of 'alts' would be a massive invasion of privacy, and it won't happen. The Lindens won't do it, because they know this... or at least I hope to hell they do. Because if it ever happens, I'd cancel my account that very day and go play something that won't invade my privacy.

Yes, I can support Lordfly on this one. He's a cool guy. Also, every single one of my negs are neg-backs, so it really isn't a very good indicator.

12 of my negs were a divorce present from an ex and her alts...

Her? Siobahn Taylor has just shot up in my estimation...

Actually that's kind of immature of me, sorry! I meant it lightheartedly