And of course, every premium alt is financially beneficial to LL and to us.
This financial benefit seems always to be ignored when this topic is raised.
A premium alt, paying a monthly subscription, is financially the most desirable of all residents, since he/she is making a financial contribution out of proportion to his/her reduced usage of server resources, compared with the same resident paying only one subscription, and acting always through a single avatar.
The next most desirable is a normal no-alt premium resident, paying a full share towards system resource costs.
Both these two are financially better, other things being equal, than a regular no-alt basic subscriber who pays nothing monthly, and may not have paid anything ever.
Least favorite, and most likely to be a griefer and parasite, is the born-free pay-nothing alt, who is in another category again, but even these are still impossible to identify without unacceptably high error rates.
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Ellie Edo
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doug Donovan
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11-12-2005 15:27
lol i have tons of alts.
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Val Fardel
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11-12-2005 21:01
Ok. So, everybody wants griefers to be able to hide behind their alts, and we all know that banning/Linden action is laughably ineffective. I also fail to understand why, in a game that is about society, people have such a strong desire to run away from their mains, but that's just me. I never use alts and have never liked them in any game I've ever played. If I had one in SL I would have no issue at all publishing that I was the owner and being completely open about it. I am who I am in SL and have no desire to hide from it. But admittedly that is a personal sentiment and apparently an unpopular one. Anyway, perhaps list other ideas instead of just shooting down one of the two proposed? How do you prevent the rampant abuse of alts in this game, with the understanding that asking the Lindens to get more involved is more than unlikely? No...I think what people are saying is that they don't want their rights to privacy and freedom of expression violated because of a few bad people. Try finding a way to punish those that abuse this instead of taking away privilages from everyone. |
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Siobhan Taylor
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11-17-2005 07:53
lol i have tons of alts. and im not naming them so there.Pfft! Well, I'm outing one of them for you then... you're .... doug Donovan. _____________________
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-17-2005 10:09
What right does anyone have to know what other names I might play under? NONE. It's called privacy. Whatever problems you are having that you feel will be resolved by having alts listed will not be solved by ruining anonymity.
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Eggy Lippmann
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11-17-2005 10:10
Would you people let this thread die?
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Gabe Lippmann
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11-17-2005 10:11
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Kris Ritter
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11-21-2005 01:03
Would you people let this thread die? Why? It's a friggin classic! Even Tcoz is going to have to work hard to come up with something better than this one. I guarantee you this will be necroposted for years! Cuz I'll be making sure of it  Unless it gets locked of course. Which is pretty easy to get done around here. Maybe I'll let Tcoz know what I really think of him/her/it (I dunno what a Tcoz looks like and don't much care) sometime when I eventually get bored with the thread and feel it should be closed. |
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Michelle Engel
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11-21-2005 01:37
I'm convinced that people should have all their alternate characters listed in their profiles, publicly viewable by anybody that wants to see. I would even go further and say that this information should be listed in any object created by any player. The anonymity of alts is abused to the extreme to say the least. Legit use of an alt would in no way be compromised by people knowing the rest of that player's characters. I understand that some people may want to anonymously play an alt legitimately. But the mechanics of SL just make abusing this capability far too easy and it is done every single day. Even the Lindens seem confused by how to handle it. List all toons in the profile, and people will be a hell of a lot less likely to pull this crap and destroy a legit player's game experience. Sure, lets sacrifice the rights of the overwhelming majority to counter a handfull of serious griefers. SL would start to resemble RL more and more..... |
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Elgyfu Wishbringer
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11-21-2005 07:30
My alts are Anderson Albion and Tamiasciurus Kipling, so there ya go.
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Eggy Lippmann
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11-21-2005 07:34
Why? It's a friggin classic! Even Tcoz is going to have to work hard to come up with something better than this one. I guarantee you this will be necroposted for years! Cuz I'll be making sure of it Unless it gets locked of course. Which is pretty easy to get done around here. Maybe I'll let Tcoz know what I really think of him/her/it (I dunno what a Tcoz looks like and don't much care) sometime when I eventually get bored with the thread and feel it should be closed. Kris, you are on your last warning. Please don't do anything rash lest we find ourselves permanently unable to enjoy your trolling activities _____________________
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Willow Zander
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11-21-2005 07:36
Would you people let this thread die? LET THE THREAD DIE EGGY... cheezus _____________________
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Kris Ritter
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11-21-2005 07:41
Kris, you are on your last warning. Please don't do anything rash lest we find ourselves permanently unable to enjoy your trolling activities It's ok. My alts aren't registered to me and I can change my IP in 10 minutes flat.  |
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Derry McTeague
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Re: those abusive alts
11-24-2005 00:34
i agree that those alt avies should not be able to "hide" after they've abused sl and used it to attack/greive/ or generally be an ass..and would love to see them made to link all their alt avies back to themselves...but i have an alt avie that i only use when i want to get away from im's when working at something and do not want anyone to be able to contact me other than a handful of people...so i suggest that anyone who has been abusing others in SL to the point of SL suspending theit account even once should have to link all their avies in a list shown on all their avies profiles!
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Charissa Korvin
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11-24-2005 11:40
Ok. So, everybody wants griefers to be able to hide behind their alts, and we all know that banning/Linden action is laughably ineffective. I also fail to understand why, in a game that is about society, people have such a strong desire to run away from their mains, but that's just me. I never use alts and have never liked them in any game I've ever played. If I had one in SL I would have no issue at all publishing that I was the owner and being completely open about it. I am who I am in SL and have no desire to hide from it. But admittedly that is a personal sentiment and apparently an unpopular one. Anyway, perhaps list other ideas instead of just shooting down one of the two proposed? How do you prevent the rampant abuse of alts in this game, with the understanding that asking the Lindens to get more involved is more than unlikely? Although I personally do not have any alts I think this is a bad idea. The reason is simple- You can not and should not penalize the other residence of the grid by having them sacrifice their PRIVACY on account of griefer activity. To do so is to make accomodations and changes to the way people live in SL on account of griefers. That's essentially giving them power they do not deserve or need. |
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Neil Protagonist
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11-24-2005 19:31
Often making things public like this will have the exact desired effect sought, however in punishing good along with evil the true way is warped.
Tossing this out as a possible solution. Once someone has been banned a post in the Police blotter section shoud state who was banned and why and who thier alts are. This would not disrupt players who do not abuse the system and would be a good incentive not to do anything to get oneself banned and publicly exposed. Just a thought. Sorry missed Musashi's post. Great idea Musashi! _____________________
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11-25-2005 01:26
I'm convinced that people should have all their alternate characters listed in their profiles, publicly viewable by anybody that wants to see. I would even go further and say that this information should be listed in any object created by any player. The anonymity of alts is abused to the extreme to say the least. Legit use of an alt would in no way be compromised by people knowing the rest of that player's characters. I understand that some people may want to anonymously play an alt legitimately. But the mechanics of SL just make abusing this capability far too easy and it is done every single day. Even the Lindens seem confused by how to handle it. List all toons in the profile, and people will be a hell of a lot less likely to pull this crap and destroy a legit player's game experience. Well Tcoz I gotta say I'm against this. The one major reason why is "popularity" when you obtain a certain amount of it; a person finds that somedays they can get very little done. Thus an alt is important to get any private building time done. I didn't read any of the abuses you mention in you post. Although "gaming the sytem" has been done since day one and I do understand the abuses that have and continue to happen. I also think your right about the Lindens not knowing how to deal with it, they never have. I don't see them suddenly creating a bunch of rules and forsing ppl to "out" their alts. Why? Because that would cost them revenue from the alt accounts that for the most part I beleive are more than the basic free account. I have an alt that no one knows about, but for the record that alt has NEVER posted. Well either that or I AM Anshe Chung  Mar aka Cat _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-30-2006 21:03
I wonder what ol' Tcos would say about the alt situationi now?
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Phoenix Psaltery
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06-30-2006 21:05
I wonder what ol' Tcos would say about the alt situationi now? LOLZ... necroposter, but with good reason. "Sorry, we don't have room in the client to list all of your 137 alts, SuezanneC." --Unnamed Linden P2 _____________________
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Susie Boffin
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06-30-2006 21:42
Why on earth would I want to list all of my 230,847 alts on my profile? I don't think it would hold that much information.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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06-30-2006 21:46
Why on earth would I want to list all of my 230,847 alts on my profile? I don't think it would hold that much information. Yes, it might cause a bit of a bogdown, as well as requiring larger, higher resolution monitors to display them in a reasonable manner. And maybe upgrading the entire internet to fiber-optic to the desktop. _____________________
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Takuan Daikon
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Maybe just *number* of alts?
07-04-2006 16:59
It seems to be a very old and quite long thread, so I apologize if this has already been suggested, but maybe just listing the *number* of alts would still allow legitimate privacy and be possibly indicative of abuse?
Certainly, compiling the information about alts per email and/or IP address could provide, if not an always accurate number, at least some indication... Yes, some people can change IP addresses easily or have numerous email addresses (I do for business reasons), but it's relatively easy to cross-index that info. A very simple SQL query can be performed to gather such info (I can easily imagine better schemas) that is not that processor-intensive or time consuming (no more so, I suspect, than other login processes) and would go pretty far in my mind as to who I can trust... Thinking further, those of us with dynamic IP (most, I suspect) might wish that IP address cross-referencing was reset periodically, but with a weighted "recency" score this would be easily accomplished I think. |
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MadamG Zagato
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07-04-2006 17:03
I wouldn't support this idea. Some people use alts to escape griefing. What I would support is having suspensions and bannings apply to all accounts on a single CC or IP. If you get your alt banned your main goes with it. No exceptions. /me cheers! Good point Chip and I agree! _____________________
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Cheyenne Marquez
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07-04-2006 18:02
It seems to be a very old and quite long thread, so I apologize if this has already been suggested, but maybe just listing the *number* of alts would still allow legitimate privacy and be possibly indicative of abuse? Reaching a little there? |
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MadamG Zagato
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07-04-2006 18:07
Not only that but some people actually pay for an additional account. So which is the alt of either account?
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