RC Questions

I merged the chat history and audio transcript as best I could:



(It's not perfect, cause the audio does not have timestamps)

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Note, in reply to comments a few posts back, they *did* promise to enlarge Ursula as needed:

[9:54] JP Linden: DanielRavenNest Noe: Will you commit to supplying enough adult mainland to keep reasonable price parity with mature and PG land?

Cyn: I will commit that the land team is going to be responsible for making sure that our market is healthy and functional, and that's what they'll do, yes.

(added note: They don't get tier from holding back land. If Ursula is filled solid, it makes sense for them to dump more sims on it to get more land fees. Similarly, kicking someone off the old mainland if they have nowhere to go is dumb from a tier standpoint too)

You need to put a "?" in the URL (as above) to use the [img]trick.

We have the SLapt.me wiki so a page there would be a good idea

My alt and CouldBe visited Wynochee's parcel, you know, the guy who's Ursula protest signs were pulled down by Scarlet Linden? The official response is that it was done due to a nieghbor complaint.

Imagine our surprise to find out that his parcel is mostly bordered by land for sale, and/or with almost zero traffic, and one fairly popular club (8000 some traffic) over 50 meters away in the next sim and up.

Someone in the club would have to go over away from the dance hall, look over the railing, and down even to see Wynochee's land at all.

Two people that frequent the club "a lot" knew nothing about the signs.

In any event, since when are "offensive" material so quickly and easily removed?

Baaaaaad Karma!

Oh, I certainly expect that to be the case too. I didn't bother mentioning it because I figured that inconsistent enforcement / interpretation of the rules by the GTeam is such a common occurence that anyone who has spent any amount of time in SL just comes to expect it.

In fact, I think that's the only thing about this entire strategy that *is* predictable.

From the meeting transcript:

JP Linden: The word list is not going to be published by us. The only reason that..the words that are on the list will evolve over time and will be tailored to the uses in Second Life. And so it will not be a static list, and we will not publish it.

In Post 1569 Blondin says:

If a resident chooses to use adult words in their advertising - they will need to be on adult land.

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To which I reply:

Umm, dude, how can we choose or not choose to use adult words *if you don't tell us what they are*?

And if you change the list after we created the ads? What then?

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Despite what JP says, we have a pretty good idea what words are on the list or not, simply by trying them. If someone is smart enough to write a script to try a dictionary list, it can be kept very current. I don't have that skill, I'm working on learning wiki editing *smile*. But in the mean time if people help out when they find changes, we can keep our independent list pretty accurate.

I have still no clue what the *real* problem was. After my mail to Jack Linden on sunday I got a fast reaction from Harry Linden who told me that residents in the region had reported my signs as visual spam in the region + disturbing their peace.... I *know* the new rules for signs since long. They have to be on ground, not-rotating, no glow. Not higher than 8 meters from ground. (This is the new rule for advertising-signs)

As you have seen I have my small kind of office/building/resting - zone (I hold some bigger land additional on another continent, together with a friend/biz partner)) on a hill.

My small hill-office, so to speak, is what you saw now. But ground is ground. No matter how high in the hills that ground is. The home/house you see there was at this time *not* rezzed. It was pure, green land, no building on it. I took the signs from xstreet, 2 different ones, rezzed them on ground, (imagine them vertical rezzed between the zone where the 2 pillars of the house are now), and made from one sign a slightly bigger version. I was not sure wich sign I will place at the end and logged then out for sleeping and didn't logged in for another day. The overnext day they was gone *poof*...

I mean... it is my land, it is mature, - the graphics, nor the content of these signs are not against anything in the TOS, - from my view I can rezz there all available signs, the boxed bear and whatnotall, if I want. I could make a whole *park* full of different protest signs I think. Well, Harry Linden said then, after he reviewed the signs, that it will be ok to rezz one... again under the condition to not harass other residents in the region... -

This is indeed strange. I have not direct neighbors, nor is there anyone who could be "harassed". It is a very quiet sim. I saw so far no neighbors alive. Just their empty mini-homes, far away, above in the hills. In front starts another sim (this is this large ballroom club you saw - even on a mature sim), on my left is a small plot Governor Linden Maintenance Land, direct in front of me is abandonend Linden Land too and 2, very small buildings are far away above me, in the hills - they could at this time only see the 0.010 *sides* of the signs if they saw it (lol). These signs are very small when rezzed out of the box. Maybe 2x3 meters or so.

Anyway. So far I rezzed them not again, because was building my new office. I plan to make my own sign on a spot at entry of my office wich is made for announcements and things, as part of the house then. There I put the notecard with links and infos in and ready, along the next days. It will fit the design of my building. It will be linked. If one Linden tries to kill that again, they would have to take the whole house then, hahaha

That makes no sense at all. Sounds like he's playing "bad cop, bad cop".

The strange thing is that apparently, no Linden involved in this can wrap their head around that issues such as these are a problem.

I think they are sort of coasting along on a belief that "of course we'd never do anything stupid or unfair", and expecting the residents to believe that too.
Even granting that they don't do anything stupid, it ignores the fact that there is just no universal agreement as to what "fair" is. Some want status quo, and have reasons for why that is considered fair, some want to Disneyfy the entire grid, and have *their* reasons, and some want any range in between. As long as the Lindens will only say "we'll judge on a case by case basis and update the criteria when needed and be entirely fair", *nobody* has *any* clue what to do and which rules to follow.

My thoughts exactally, but I couldn't figure out how to put it succinctly. Do they think we can comply when none of us know what words we can use and when?

Another issue failed to be addressed as we creep closer to U-day, other than Blondins (and Jack failed to respond to me about this, by the way) is HOW are they going to announce this to everyone and in multiple languages

True.

More work for Scarlet and Harry

With Kira's consent, I've just added a new protest poster to the set - this one features Kira's excellent letter and contains all the necessary links towards the wiki and the other protest poster textures

Pick it up from xstreet here...

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1462844

^L^

If there are any smart scripters that could help us all with something that will test a dictionary list against the LL bad word list, then spew out the results in a cut and paste format or even directly to a page on the SLapt.me servers, which we could link to from the wiki it would be a great service for everyone. I can give the qualified person access to set up such a job on the server.

Email me directly to [email]iain@bdsm-life.com[/email] and that way I can promise you anonymity

Thanks

Well SLapt.me I was just about to post the link on the wiki and I was beaten to the post lol Thanks to everyone that has adopted this wiki to ensure everything is documented

PS: For those that have signed up to the wiki you can create your own user pages and advertise your services/wares on the wiki, no bad word censoring either lol Just click your name and it will open a page for you to fill up about yourself and or services

Not necessarily
it could be that Ursula really will only be needed by a few extreme cases
or it could be that Ursula will be expanded to cope with a big rush of new people.

Hans

they've already tested the deployment of 399 sims which is around 8% of all current mainland and around 13% of current mature mainland. Although they're sticking to the basic 253 and don't seem to be in much of a hurry to finish terraforming them.

I think they may be expecting a bit of a rush

Seems like overkill for 2-4% of the population.

That was addressed at the meeting:

[9:27] JP Linden: Stroker Serpentine: It seems to me most ppl do not understand or know the changes. We want to know if LL is going to do more about making people aware. (MOTD, Dedicated Website/Wiki/Phased deployment w/MOTD...Drop Dead Date)

Cyn: I can take that one. Yes, Absolutely, but what we've been doing until now is all pre-work. We want to have conversations with people before we make firm choices and decisions about content and definitions and all the stuff we've been talking about.

Now that we've had a chance to talk with the community, in several different groups, and in the forums, now we can, once we make our final decisions about exactly how this is going to work, not just content moves, but how search is going to work, you know the definitions that you guys have provided to us, now we can start talking about it in a much broader fashion.

As we get closer to launch honestly we want as many people informed as possible. But we didn't want to do that until we were sure about what we were talking about, and to do that we need to be in conversation with you all, which is what we have been doing. So yes, it will get pushed out much more broadly as we get closer to deploy on this.

[9:52] JP Linden: Poid Mahovlich: Question - Will a new TOS need to be signed upon log for all residents due to policy changes?

Marty: Yes. There will be a new terms of services that you'll have to click through to come after we publish them. You'll have a period to accept of not.

Better that than underkill.

Snap. I don't see the point of it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/satiated-desires/

He acquitted himself well.

and confirmed there would be a new blog post by friday.. I forgot to ask if that included the new KB but somehow I don't think it did. So we're still waiting.

http://www.massively.com/2009/05/13/adult-content-changes-for-second-life-part-of-a-larger-phased-de/

on the bb last monday

That is my understanding of it too... the question is, do the lindens understand it that way?

More like bad cop, stupid cop.. he doesn't use a Chief Wigham avatar does he? :\

Which is why you save the chat log and e-mails of someone from LL telling you you don't qualify for the swap- so that when the G-team comes after you, you have something to show them, saying that you were *told* by LL that you didn't need to move.

Not that it will do you any good, but it will make you feel better knowing the you were in the right, and might give you ammo when you're seeking redress for your grievances.

^V^