RC Questions

We will also put an area up on the wiki so people can post the chat logs saying this as well.

I sought clarification of this point at Blondin's office hours yesterday. I'm afraid I didn't get a full transcript of the whole meeting, but I saved his answer, and it seems he thinks people who fall into the first two categories will qualify for a free move if they ask for one

Ah, but no! Not qualifying for a swap does *not* mean you don't need to move. Only that you're not "one of those most affected".
The free swap has always only been for *some*, based on undisclosed criteria.
It has never had anything to do with actually approving your content.

I came across this article yesterday - looks like our protests are beginning to noticed in the wider world. It's the most comprehensive coverage I have come across to date

Headline

"Could Sadville break the internet with nakedness?"

The concluding sentence

"If Second Life is just a game, we have little to worry about. If it is something more – and the investment being poured in by players such as IBM suggests it may be – perhaps it is time we all sat up and took notice."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/13/nudevatars/

Tried to add it to the wiki but failed miserably

^L^

Transcript for Blondin's Office hours is now up here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hour_transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_05-13-2009

I will add it now

I'm still confused about this PG content on adult land business. Blondin suggested it would show up but that people would then get a message that they need to get their account verified to visit.

I was under the impression that anything on adult land would only show up if the adult search box was ticked and the only people who can tick the adult search box are people with verified accounts.

I tested this 1.23 rc viewer search extensively. Search is tied to region rating only. A pg anything on a mature or above sim does not show in a pg search period end of story.

How many ways can I say that before people will bother to go test it themselves to confirm actual operation?

Go to a mature region with long standing PG parcels and take out an ad. It is not going to show up in a PG search even if the ad title and ad text say nothing but "apple". That is the test case I used. An ad for "apple" taken out on a pg parcel in a mature region will not show up in a PG only search.

If you want to have your PG ads show up in PG only searches you will own land in a PG region and take out the ad there end of story.

This is even more restrictive than I'd anticipated. I imagined something like this might happen for *parcel*-based Search (as in Places and the main section of All), but I'd thought that (somehow) the old behavior of Classified would be preserved, at least for PG and Mature.

This means that the utility of Mature land is decreased not just by the inability to hold Adult content, but the new impracticality of using it for PG content, too.

This wasn't my experience Ann, I put a PG ad on mature land and could only find said advert with PG ticked, if I ticked mature and unticked PG the advert did not show up.

You're talking about two different things. Anne is saying that a PG ad on Mature land won't show up with ONLY PG ticked. You're saying it won't show up WITHOUT PG ticked.

It really can't be any other way. It doesn't make sense to restrict your search to PG, find what you're looking for, and teleport in on what happens to be the only 16sqm in a otherwise bondage-rape-room sim which sells apples.
Whatever other issues it may create, it is one of the few things which actually makes sense given the "predictability" catch-phrase.

I suspect it's legacy code from the current system where you can identify a mature ad.

did you try putting a mature ad up without the mature category?

No I'm saying it will show up with ONLY PG ticked, indeed it does, I just placed one. However the advert does not show up with ONLY Mature ticked, even though it's mature land.

That's what I've done, it's a property rental advert, there's nothing mature about the advert. I selected PG content, the land is mature.

Yep, just tested it. I have mature land with 2 PG ads taken out. Neither of them shows up with only PG ticked.

Edit: I just placed a third ad from a shop I rent on a PG parcel. This one does show up.

(Search for "Loco Pocos" if you want to see it for yourselves.)

Is that a bug or a feature?

Your advert shows for me with only PG ticked ah that was the LOCO POCOS dances one.

Your other adverts show for me too.

Yep this one I just placed 5 Minutes ago. See my edited post above.

I have a store, a small store, that sells armor,rings,clothing, and gestures. Some of the gestures use "adult" language.. Will i have to move or take down the gesture vendor? I am currently located on Mature land.

Well in any case you can't find PG and Mature content on a mixed use parcel in Adult regions with out checking Adult.

I think mixed use is probably more of a main sticking point.
The new functionality is no real problem for pure adult areas.
Nor is it likely a solely PG place would want to move to adult.
The thing is most of the Adult locations relying on mixed use vending for revenue.
And then of course you have the mixed use individual shops.

Its the Combination use relying on shared traffic that is in trouble.
Unfortunately LL does not realize how prevalent this is.

What this comes down to is the residents in the know will have to make it know in general populace that as long as you are not offended(& verified) you need to check PG Mature & Adult in order to get relevant results when searching for PG content and then sort out the unwanted results you self. so much for predictability.

What is need is 2 levels of search filtering.
Let LL have its precious parcel check boxes,
But clearly label it as such: "Filters by SIM Rating"!
Then add something functional that actually sorts content usefully.
But this unlikely to be implemented therefore,
We will need to teach those who don't know how to work around the problem.

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Considering the way they work,
This is how the new check boxes SHOULD Read:

"Filter by SIM Rating"
[ ] Show Content in PG Areas
[ ] Show Content in Mature Areas
[ ] Show Content in Adult Areas

This is what we need to make generally know to ALL Residents!

Let me say this again more slowly.

The behavior, at the time I tested it, was simple and very acceptable and after some thought expected.

If a region is rated mature then it does not matter if a parcel in that region is rated PG. Parcel ratings are obsolete.

An ad taken out on a long standing PG parcel in a long standing mature sim did not show up in a PG only search because the search will exclude anything in a mature region.

It is important that you use long standing settings. Don't go trying to flip region and parcel ratings around. If you do not have long standing test case parcels available then you can't test it because of caching and indexing latency.

The only place I was able to get my apple ad test case to show up in PG only search was by winning an auction for a parcel in a PG region and placing the ad there.

This is perfect behavior. There is no reason to allow PG searches to return results from anything but PG regions. Otherwise residents might not have a "predictable experience" because they saw an ad for apples, teleported there, and was confronted by mature content.

If someone at LL changes this behavior (tao remember? people just change stuff on the fly without testing or permission) and word of it gets back to the people making the decisions then you can expect it to return to the region rating only behavior because that is the intent of the policy.

Ah I see the issue here. They all show under the classified tab, they're not all showing under paid classifieds in search/all, only the locos pocos one shows there.

However if you tick Pg and Mature, sculpted cat furniture does show up in search/all.

My property rental advert is doing the same, under classifieds it shows with PG only ticked but will only show up in search all if I select PG and Mature, it doesn't show up with Mature only ticked either.

I can see they're using an AND gate in search all.

1.23RC0 client was used:

* Unverified Alt

- Arapaima (Adult welcome area) shows in Map
- Attempt to TP yields error message: You are not allowed in that region due to your maturity rating. Go to the knowlege base for more information? Clicking goes to KB6010 definitions page. The link to the FAQ from the internal media browser is broken, though it works on an external Firefox browser. This should probably link directly to the "how to verify" rather than the definitions page.
- Search/All for Arapaima yields no results
- Search/All or /Places for "Safe Hub" (the parcel name on Arapaima) no results

* Verified account

- Arapaima shows on Map
- Search/All with Adult unchecked, no results for Arapaima or Safe Hub
- Search/All with Adult checked, gives both results
- Search/Places with Adult unchecked gives no result for "Safe Hub"
- Search /Places with Adult checked gives result
- Teleport from search and Preferences/General/Maturity at Mature: Fails
- Teleport from search and Preferences at Adult works, even with Adult search off
- Create Landmark.
- TP from Landmark, with Preferences= Mature: Fails, gives option to change setting
- TP from Landmark, Preferences= Adult: Works

The safe hub does not have anything in the search listing that are adult words. So at less than adult, the region and anything in it is invisible, as far as I can tell.

What about the apples I am selling in the same shop as the Penis I am selling?
(No Not MY Actual Items, at least not the apple, but I do have PG items)

You know you gave perfect example of just what is wrong with the search.
Many many places have such a comparable mix of stuff, Apples and Penises.
Your typical SL Variety Store, Mall etc!

The classifieds tab is working differently, they need to change it to one or the other, having two different logic functions is not a good plan.