RC Questions

would you like to try that one in english??

I'm afraid this 60 day thing confuses me.. along with this concept of other.. neither of them are relevant if they're following the same set up as the other search tabs

all land will be placed in the search relating to the maturity level of the land. for everything other search tab there will be a box for adult.

now, if they're talking about naughty keywords still being in the parcel description then I suppose i can understand the pg and m parcel descriptions being swept away. If this was the case though wouldn't it also apply to classifieds? it currently doesn't appear to.

ahhh the penny has dropped.. I forgot about the categories...

Clever but.....
How would you suggest advertisers put the filtered words in to their ads in world?

Once the rest of the new "AO" plan is implemented this would only be of use for unverified to search for adult content they can not access, which you did mention, I am just not sure how it solves any problem, particularly the advertising one for the items allowed for on mature but filtered as adult items.

My suggestion was not an idea to help unverified search adult content.
What would the actual use of that ability be? Encourage people to verify?


Please note I did say: "An alternate practical manner to advertise"
Allowing Unverified to search Adult land doe not accomplish that.

There has been a lot of confusion about "how do I advertise my stuff under the new rules"... The way the Linden staff have not understood why the filter list matters so much to us.

To a business it is absolutely critical to reach potential customers! If they can't find you, you have no business. The filter list interferes with our ability to reach customers. That's why we keep asking about it.

So here is how I *think* it can work. Correct me if I am wrong, Blondin:

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Let us say you have a business selling items which in and of themselves do not require being on adult land. I will use the example of slave collars. I assume you can sell the collars themselves on mature land.

Then to reach as many customers as possible, you would need to have TWO search listings. One would use unfiltered words, the other would use words like BDSM and slave, which are on the filtered list. This would mean having two parcels with land descriptions, or two classifieds. The first listing reaches all the people who do non-Adult checkbox searches, the second reaches the people who *do* have Adult search checked.

That way, businesses that like where they are on Mature mainland can stay there, and still sell their stuff effectively.

If what goes on in your location crosses the line to "Adult" (for example you host weekly slave auctions as an event, and the future undefined rules say that's an adult activity), then you would have to move part or all of your store to Adult land.

When you select "show in search" you can list your land in a variety of categories. Shopping, hangout, residence, etc, etc, etc... oh, you got it...

But won't the one with adult keywords have to be on a different sim?

The "best tech available" means that a tiny fraction of the "problem children" will be prevented from "seeing smut".

It doesn't address the additional fact that "kids" can (and will) use their own valid payment methods to get "verified", be they their own credit cards, debit cards, VISA gift cards, checking accounts, paypal accounts, etc.

Utterly clueless.

I think so. From what I've gathered, you cannot have "adult" words in one originating from a non-adult sim, and any listing made from an adult sim will be flagged adult no matter what words it contain. So you'd need a non-adult parcel to host one, and an adult parcel to host the other.

yep, it dropped around 30 seconds after I posted the original and then rattled around the empty vessel.. the noise was deafening

The viewer needs to know what kind of land a place is
in order to allow or restrict TPing by content preferences & verification status.

Why can't the search simply not display ads from inappropriate locations.
It shouldn't be to hard to program.

Then make the filter only filter if PG only is checked.

That would solve almost the entire ad problem.
(Except for PG places with inappropriately filtered words)
(We could probably live with selling our Tits & Asses from mature not PG)

Selecting PG only would fully filter things.

Selecting Mature but not Adult would not return Adult Locations.
But would return mature results with the filtered words.

Would this work?
Am I missing something?
Does this make sense?


BLONDIN! Oh! Blondin!! PASS THIS ON! Please...!! Are you here?

The problem is there are three categories: the words themselves, products that use the words to describe them, and activities described by the words:

* A store called "Kinky Callgirl Fashions: Clothes for the Discerning Slut", which sells nothing but clothing, may not have to be on adult land, even though it has 3 filtered words in it's name.

* A vendor with "Kinky Leather Dominatrix Outfit with exposed Boobs" may not have to be on adult land, even though it has multiple filtered words.

* "Kinky Callgirl Escort Club" would have to be on adult land cause they sell sexual roleplay sessions.

The word filter does not distinguish between the three categories, but the rules for who has to move to adult land *do*. (if they don't, if merely using the words requires you to move, Ursula just got a lot bigger)

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@Post 1569 Blondin says:
If a resident chooses to use adult words in their advertising - they will need to be on adult land.

@Post 1558 Natasia Saintlouis says:
higher up in the sky I have a floating platform where I sell furniture, some of which contain adult sex animations.
and Blondin replies:
Based on what you describe - I don't see why you would have to move to the Adult Continent.

@Previous thread #7297 Blondin says:
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Yes, if a parcel is on an adult region, it will only show up in adult searches.

@Post 6272 Ayla Holt says:
What about items put on your mature land that might have adult words on them and the actual item (prim) is set to show in search?
Blondin replies:
If you are advertising sex in your parcel description, your store will only show up in adult searches. Otherwise, your store will show up and your items will show up in the parcel details when someone clicks on it.

(DRN note: tested this myself and it does work that way, search results will have adult words in the item names/descriptions)

@ Post 6218 Blondin is quotes:
"We understand people would want to test out products before they buy them.
This is expected and reasonable on a mature region"

"If your store relies on using words that have been flagged as adult then your store will need to be on Adult land. If your BDSM store does not rely on using flagged words, then your store is fine on Mature."

(DRN: I will ignore the irrationality of saying that a BDSM store does not rely on flagged words when BDSM *is* a flagged word)

Indeed. This is one of the places where Linden Labs is putting their fingers in their ears and yelling "la la la I can't hear you".

The only reason I can see for that is, it is actually "Part of the Program" that such people will buy land in Ursula after the free swap.

What gets me is that only the Escort Club may qualify for the free move. So LL penalizes the clothing shops and subsidizes the escort club with free land, even though all three businesses would need adult land to carry on run their businesses competitively.

In LL's view of course, the clothing stores don't NEED to use adult words, they can just describe their goods as "clothing" "shoes" dresses". It's as though the people setting policy know nothing about marketing, or how being able to reach a niche audience can be the difference between success or failure. LL's willful disregard of the basic facts of business is going to be the ruin of many a project.

It looks a lot like LL will be picking and choosing which businesses live and which die. How do they justify this?

Land swaps should be available to everyone who wants it.

That's the interpretation my business partner and I are using, certainly. We figure that most of our stuff falls in the category "mature content" but we'd normally use some adult keywords (slave or bdsm, for example) to give an indication of what some of the menus are for.

Buy some of our domestic furniture and you've got the choice between sitting on the couch cuddling or being chained to it and being whipped.. we aim to please.

On our current planning, we think we need two stores, one on an adult sim and one on a mature one, with mostly the same content but described rather differently in the adverts for the store on the adult sim, and some content only available at the adult store. If I've got this wrong, I very much hope Blondin will tell us sooner rather than later.

I feel the same way. I've spent two years building my businesses, only to see them now go down the tubes, through no fault of mine, simply because Linden Lab decided to change the rules.


Persephone

As the penny starts to drop with store owners who's products straddle both camps , they will be faced with the dilemma of increasing their costs by maintaining stores in both sanctified *Mature* and Sin Bin *Adult* plus carrying additional classified costs - so basically as far as Linden Labs are concerned it's Heads they win and Tails we loose. Sucky Ursula starts to look like one helluva cramped lag hole even before it's open for the *purge* or *migration* as the LL corporate BS refers to it as.

Either that, or you need one store on the mainland, and then one small parcel on the Adult Contenent containing only a teleport location to your mainland store. Then you can have your two advertisements, but only need to maintain one location. In fact, I can see a whole new business developing providing essentially 'teleport malls' on the adult contenant for just this purpose.

Of course this won't do anything the "clean up" the mainland, and people searching for necklaces or jewlery on the mainland will almost certainly wind up in stores selling collars and nipple rings, but it will be within the rules that LL are describing today.

Not quite what I would call a "predictable experience", but what do I know.

I have added you at your request and you are number 233

Doubly so because being over the barrel like this, they pretty much *have* to suck it up and buy land in Ursula at whatever price it's been driven up to.

If Blondin doesnt answer this one here, somebody please ask it at the next BB or office hours they attend...

Will "I cannot honestly advertise my products without using adult-filtered words" be sufficient grounds to qualify for the land swap? because for those of us in that position the choices are move, advertise dishonestly or quit.

Sounds like a quite likely scenario, though I expect one additional wrinkle in it: Given the vagueness of the criteria, and the frankly nonsensical implications you've just described, I find it highly likely that GTeam will sometimes, depending on mood and latest Fox report, react to ARs against such places, judging them "obviously sexual" and requiring them to move.
-By the way, what happens if there are no parcels for sale in Ursula when that happens? Is that just "Tough luck; you violated the ToS (even though you were previously ok), so shut down"?

yep

Without starting to cry "FIC" (a wildly overused accusation), it could be interesting to compile a list of which businesses and persons are actually granted a swap, if only to try to suss out what the criteria were.

Looks like I will be at the OH after all.