RC Questions

The Linden stance on this is, officially and repeated often: "This is an advantage for you, since you'll be able to more targeted advertise to your intended audience", which, as you say, rely on the notion that anything you sell is narrowly targeted to one sub-group.

If the resident is allowed to select adult search then they can find your melons, apples, peaches, and foot long kielbasa with a pair of salty nuts in your adult region based store. However they will not see your store at all under any circumstances if PG only is selected. This is the intent.

What it really mean is we have to educate everyone who isn't a prude to check all 3 boxes and then sort the results them selves. Other wise we are stuck with the said narrow audiences.

Yup. This is a problem. For example the Tiny community is a classic PG audience. I would not want them to miss my ad just because it was placed on a mature sim. Why is there an extra tick box when placing an ad if it won't show up later? *puzzled* There is even a tick box in the land settings. What is the point of setting your parcel to "no mature content" if people are not able to find it with only PG checked?

People will soon find out that they will get better results if they tick "mature" (and even better ones when adding adult as well!?) The result is exactly what they try to avoid: Exposure to content they actually didn't want to see in the first place.

Makes no sense to me.

Yeah except they have to know to check Adult in order to buy Apples!

LOL Wasn't the point of a rating system to do this sorting out for people so they won't be exposed to stuff they don't want to see?

Yep!
Kind of useless aint it?

And I liked you previous post. Well put.

Ann Otoole has posted a very interesting and disturbing thread over at Xstreet regarding the RC client's severe issues.

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=107425

There's about four JIRAs attached that I think folks should take a look at. Her surmise that this many cascading problems might very well be angry coder sabotage is very upsetting to me.

The scary thing is that the Lindens do not seem to understand that the search categories operate differently.

They never did comprehend proper coding and use of a function library anyway. Thus why the code that executes from the menu or inventory panel is not the same code path as the pie menu which leads to use of pie menu drop resulting in lost inventory later on.

And this was actually related to me by a former Linden that worked with the code so I think it is pretty accurate even though LL sycophants will vehemently argue against it even though they have not a clue as to what they are talking about.

The way things are now you know the worst possible scenario is probably true when they begin behaving irrationally about it. I.e.; the something to hide psychology thing.

If the business is on a mature sim, though, wouldn't the person desiring a PG only experience still be risking exposure to non PG content just by visiting that business? Even if that business is itself purely PG, the patrons would not be limited to PG (or at least not feel obligated to be limited to PG).

Similarly, if a business is on adult land but is otherwise only PG, wouldn't the PG person (PGP?) have to risk seeing adult content on arrival? And wouldn't they need to be verified for that reason?

Just trying to understand the questions here... I can understand issues mixed content vendors would face, but if someone does not mind seeing mixed content, wouldn't they already have mixed flagging active?

That and the 'we are good people... good people don't do wrong things, so we could not be doing anything wrong' psychology thing....

I've also just noticed that all existing adverts that did not have the "Mature content" option set when the classified was placed have defaulted to "PG". Therefore loads of exisiting classifieds on mature land will be PG rated and will only show in search all for people with PG AND Mature boxes ticked.

Adverts that were identified as Mature content will appear in search/all with only mature content ticked as well as appearing if PG AND Mature is ticked.

Show in search places works differently, with PG only ticked existing parcels on mature land that have not been flagged as mature content happily appear, so show in search places is using a different logic function to paid classifieds in search/all.

they do. I Jira'd it last year and it went to triage and the response was.. oh well, never mind shit happens.

ok, not in those words but they acknowledged that it they were different and that classifieds weren't displaying as they should etc but they made a decision they would not address it.

It would make sense if there weren't additional check boxes to tick when a) placing an ad ("Mature" / "PG" and b) setting the parcel properties ("mature content". If I am being classed as mature anyway why do they ask for those settings? Remove them and make clear that if you want to target a PG audience you need to rent on PG land.




I don't know if future adult parcel/ad settings will have checkboxes for PG/mature/adult but I suppose they won't. It would make absolutely no sense.

There is a clearly defined purpose for the adult continent. The same seams to be true for PG. But mature falls in the middle and seems to be pointless. I suspect that the future SL will split into two groups: "sex please" and "no sex please". If you want sex you go to adult, if you don't you go to PG. Mature has no room in that equation. Sorry for simplifying that too much but that is the impression I get.

Because adult functionality does not always mean limited to adult parcels.

If someone is selling furniture with adult animations, they are allowed to do so on mature land, and people are allowed to use that furniture and those animations on mature land as long as they do not invite the public to partake.

That furniture would also be useful to those in adult sims.

Someone looking for furniture with adult animations would likely not want nor need to see ads for furniture without such animations, thus multiple levels of ad flagging would be useful in that case.

Y'know, at the end of the day, everyone is going to upgrade to 'adult'. Not only will everyone want access to 'adult' content (come on, admit it), but it's a status thing. "Oh, you're only PG rated? Phew, what a hick."

In my opinion, the core problem is anonymous accounts (since June 2006). LL should solve that problem, not create 200 new problems playing Twister.

LL really needs to sit down and think this whole thing through again from the strategic level. Unfortunately, without economic and social historians on staff, without anthropoligists and economists and generalists from the arts and social sciences, LL simply does not have the knowledge to formulate sound policy.

The problem is: It is not obvious that they have to do so. The logical assumption is if you were looking for shoes you would check only PG when you search for them. This however eliminates all the ads from Mature and Adult.

For example one of the types of items I sell is Fairy Wings(still not well established) if i move my entire place(and yes I have adult content) No one will see my wings in search unless they check Adult. In fact since I am in mature I am wondering if I split my shop how many would find them in Mature. They would need to have mature checked to find them.

What check boxes would you check you check when searching for wings or shoes? Me I will have all 3 checked no mater what I am searching, I just hope enough other people figure this out too. Basically the way it actually works they only really need the one set of check boxes in preferences(I know actually it is a dropdown). The others become redundant, they don't actually aid searching.

If wings or shoes, it would depend on what I wanted to see when I arrived. If I was the type who was really offended by adult content (which I am not), I would only choose mature and PG, since even though an adult shoe vendor might have really nice shoes, I would not neccessarily want to see the rest of their wares when I arrived.

If I was looking for bondage gear, I would probably not bother checking the PG box, since the only 'bondage' gear related ads I might expect to find flagged PG might be ads related to 'gear' but not what I would be looking for.

It is true that out of laziness I would probably just have all three boxes checked, but if I was getting too many ads I considered irrelevant I might uncheck a box to narrow the search.

(I suppose searching for bondage gear in PG land probably should include wedding attire, but I doubt search is that intuitive )

Again, the real issue is that SL is an adult world by definition. For an adult, apples, stockings, collars, shoes and sex animations are all in the same basket. To seek to divide SL into a mixed world of adults and children is foolish. It's as if one were to partition SL into clothing residents and furniture residents. Linden Lab is grinding up resources and Goodwill to partition the world. Yet the outcome will be that residents upgrade to adult in order to weave the world back together again.

Because PG and Mature sims are all jumbled up together, they're risking that anyway.

Being adult doesn't necessarily mean you want to see everything all the time. I see no problem in giving people better tools (or areas) to match what they want to see and interact with.
-I may not want to see slaves paraded around while I'm eating a romantic dinner, just as I may not want to see battlemechs when I am roleplaying in a fantasy setting.
But then we're back to beating my dead horse about actually *giving residents control* rather than lumping them into a few pre-defined categories based on more-or-less arbitrary criteria.

SL is an adult world by intent, not by definition. For it to be an adult world by definition, there would have to be a functional means of ensuring children can never get in, and that is essentially impossible without sacrificing a lot more in civil liberties than these changes represent (and even then is likely still impossible).

There is no intent to mix children and adults needed. The only separation currently consists of a question that a minor is not considered responsible enough to understand.

Saying that the 'there is adult stuff here, are you 18?' question means anything when presented to someone who is legally not considered mature enough to be able to give 'informed consent' when answering that question is pretty meaningless.

Meanwhile, adults have different tolerance levels for different levels of content too. Even though many adults will partake of adult entertainment at some point in their lives, that does not mean they want to live next door to a strip club or brothel. RL zoning takes such considerations into account, just as it does in ensuring a healthy mix and placement of commercial, industrial and residential properties generally.

These are not concepts unique to SL.

I totally agree with this. There simply isn't enough distinction between Mature and PG with the current definitions. PG has a very distinct purpose and Adult has a very distinct purpose, but Mature seems to be just an area inbetween the two with very little purpose. Is there anyone who would strictly desire to search for content on Mature land only? The Lindens also mentioned they will be changing the names of PG and Mature at some point. I do wonder if the Business Casual/Education reference from the early KB article will come back into play for PG at some point?

I certainly don't want a predictable experience and will only ever search with all designations PG, Mature, and Adult ticked at all times. I have found some of the best items I own in SL by searching for something totally non-related and have no desire to limit my search in ANY way.

I also kinda agree with whoever said the Unverifieds will become like second class citizens. The majority of people will fall back into the non-limited SL experience which they thought they had when they purchased Mature Land, and will verify in some way or another.

But LL's way of dealing with it certainly is.