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Tcko Cazalet
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05-07-2009 16:45
Went to Blondins office meeting...same old stuff except the ticket thing is pushed back maybe 4 to 6 weeks...another two months of tiers :mad:
Thorn Witrial
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05-07-2009 16:57
I talked to Hamlet Au. This is what he's posted in his blog about the protest.
http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/

Comments in the comment section from the knowledgeable would be good.
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Ann Otoole
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05-07-2009 17:07
How was the decision made to change the pie menu?

/me notes the SL UX meetings have been canceled and they said they would be getting their input .... "we’ll be gathering user insights via other avenues."

Sounds to me like they no longer care what the current residents think.

I still want to see what this new application interface looks like. I want to know if it is going to be cardboard cutouts instead of a true 3D immersion.
Wynochee LeShelle
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05-07-2009 17:07
From: Tcko Cazalet
Went to Blondins office meeting...same old stuff except the ticket thing is pushed back maybe 4 to 6 weeks...another two months of tiers :mad:


Or longer...

Blondin said, that only these people can/have to move for free wich are meeting the new adult criterias fully. And Jack said some hours before, that it will not help to rezz adult items suddenly, just to be moved, because LL can check back some weeks or months, if one had enough Adult stuff before on the land or not...

It seems, that only people wich driving a kind of Bukkake Bliss thing since the year snow before jesus christs birth, or similar locations, will have a right (and an obligation) to move.

Others can stay...with reduced rights on mature land...with a cutter in their heads...and never knowing when and why an AR-hammer will fall on their heads...an AR-hammer wich forces them then to move...

This is all crazy...
Tcko Cazalet
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05-07-2009 17:25
From: Wynochee LeShelle
Or longer...

Blondin said, that only these people can/have to move for free wich are meeting the new adult criterias fully. And Jack said some hours before, that it will not help to rezz adult items suddenly, just to be moved, because LL can check back some weeks or months, if one had enough Adult stuff before on the land or not...

It seems, that only people wich driving a kind of Bukkake Bliss thing since the year snow before jesus christs birth, or similar locations, will have a right (and an obligation) to move.

Others can stay...with reduced rights on mature land...with a cutter in their heads...and never knowing when and why an AR-hammer will fall on their heads...an AR-hammer wich forces them then to move...

This is all crazy...

I've had my club since last year so I had better be moved...if they think we are angry now just wait!
Sindy Tsure
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05-07-2009 17:31
Hey, I love the new RC.. Brings back memories of when I joined and was crashing every few minutes.

Thanks for forcing me to upgrade. Really.
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Hypatia Meili
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05-07-2009 17:43
From: Tcko Cazalet
I've had my club since last year so I had better be moved...if they think we are angry now just wait!
So new land purchasers who are buying land now and just opening going into businesses now are screwed, because they should have know to read the blog & the forum first?

When was this first announced (I use the term loosely)?
Thorn Witrial
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05-07-2009 17:44
From: Hypatia Meili
So new land purchasers who are buying land now and just opening going into businesses now are screwed, because they should have know to read the blog & the forum first?

When was this first announced (I use the term loosely)?

/352/1d/318980/39.html#post2420373
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Vivienne Schell
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05-07-2009 17:45
From: Kalderi Tomsen
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Nobody is forcing anyone to go to 1.23 yet - we're only in the very early stages of the RC process on that one. And this is typical - look at 1.22 - they needed 11 of the little suckers before it was ready for prime time...




Bleh. "Prime Time" will be by the end of JUNE. Cause that´s when they will establish the big pixel sex simulation clean up, as they announced.

They must hurry, cause Big Boss Linden wants to dine with the pope in July, you know.
Akira Luminos
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Blondin's Office Hours Transcript on SLapt.me
05-07-2009 17:58
The transcript of Blondin's office hours today - 5-07-2009 (snipped to just when Blondin was actually present, but discussion did continue) are now up at:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_5-07-2009
Cal Kondo
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05-07-2009 18:08
From: Wynochee LeShelle
Or longer...

Blondin said, that only these people can/have to move for free wich are meeting the new adult criterias fully. And Jack said some hours before, that it will not help to rezz adult items suddenly, just to be moved, because LL can check back some weeks or months, if one had enough Adult stuff before on the land or not...

It seems, that only people wich driving a kind of Bukkake Bliss thing since the year snow before jesus christs birth, or similar locations, will have a right (and an obligation) to move.

Others can stay...with reduced rights on mature land...with a cutter in their heads...and never knowing when and why an AR-hammer will fall on their heads...an AR-hammer wich forces them then to move...

This is all crazy...



Is that the last statement on who gets to qualify?

At a minimum any land listed in search that failed the mature word filter on the day that the policy was announced should qualify. Any that failed after that date should qualify by negotiation.

I wonder if it is possible for someone that knows about these things to gather that information? Would it be possible to gather all the mainland descriptions and size and run it past the filtered word list to calculate the actual percentage of land effected. That would be genuinely useful information for this discussion.
Argent Stonecutter
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05-07-2009 18:23
Blondin:

From: someone
1: [16:24] Blondin Linden: [16:22] Couldbe Yue: the issue of providing basic accounts the ability to submit a ticket re verification needs to be addressed ANSWER: Everyone should be able to submit a ticket to move
Couldbe was asking about a ticket regarding verification, not moving. There is no way for a basic count to submit a ticket to have their account verification checked or updated, because the only tickets accepted are for age verification via hard copy.

From: someone
[16:32] Blondin Linden: [16:31] Fos Dagger: What criteria do you have to meet to be eligible for the swap? It'll be a case by case basis. But we're looking for people who are severly impacted - in other words, people who would have no other choice BUT to move
Anyone who has Mature land, has sexual content on their land, and who is concerned about the probability that the G-Team will incorrectly take action on the basis of an invalid AR has no choice but to move. Unless LL proposes to do something like provide free swaps for any current landowner who gets ARed on their current Mature parcel, indefinitely.

You've made many reasonable suggestions as to what will be considered "adult content", but none of those suggestions are reflected in the posted definitions and the posted policy. Will we be able to treat your comments as authoritative?
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Ciaran Laval
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05-07-2009 18:30
Tonight Blondin had the roughest office hour I've seen since Robin had to defend the VAT introduction. People were angry, some of Blondin's answers may well not sound great when looked at in the transcript but credit to him for trying to keep up.
Argent Stonecutter
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05-07-2009 18:39
That's why I'm asking for clarification in a forum better suited to reasoned consideration and timely responses.
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ReMzy Andrews
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!!!!!!!!!!!
05-07-2009 18:41
I hate the filter and the whole censorship idea.

The secret of SL's success is freedom, take that away and people will find something else to do, i hope a Linden is reading this.
Cal Kondo
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05-07-2009 18:47
From: Ciaran Laval
Tonight Blondin had the roughest office hour I've seen since Robin had to defend the VAT introduction. People were angry, some of Blondin's answers may well not sound great when looked at in the transcript but credit to him for trying to keep up.



Yeah, he may have had an angry mob but a policy that states "you are not dirty enough to move but too dirty to advertise" is unlikely to win friends.
Akira Luminos
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The 'Discreet' become AR fodder...
05-07-2009 18:55
From Blondin's office hours today, in response to a question about being discreet about one's continued adult content/behaviour on Mature mainland (and it appears the Q&A was about 'public' spaces - though, would a location which was unadvertised ever be seen as a 'public' place after investigation by the G-team?):

From: Blondin Linden
If your descrete, then no one know would ever know.


Which is very telling, IMHO, considering a) if you get Abuse Reported, it can earn you a suspension of your account, and b) considering the FAQ for land owners in the SL Support KB, states:

From: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417

Are there special conditions I have to meet in order to be able to purchase land?
To purchase land in Second Life, you must have a Premium account, current payment information on file, and your account must be in good standing (i.e. not delinquent). You may also be required to have a clean disciplinary record. Linden Lab reserves the right to refund your purchase if you do not meet our minimum criteria for land ownership.


"You may also be required to have a clean disciplinary record."

So, could a number of suspensions resulting from AR's result in a Resident being denied even being able to continue to hold land in SL, after following this advice? Interesting.

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_5-07-2009
Thorn Witrial
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05-07-2009 19:04
From: Akira Luminos
From Blondin's office hours today, in response to a question about being discreet about one's continued adult content/behaviour on Mature mainland (and it appears the Q&A was about 'public' spaces - though, would a location which was unadvertised ever be seen as a 'public' place after investigation by the G-team?):



Which is very telling, IMHO, considering a) if you get Abuse Reported, it can earn you a suspension of your account, and b) considering the FAQ for land owners in the SL Support KB, states:



"You may also be required to have a clean disciplinary record."

So, could a number of suspensions resulting from AR's result in a Resident being denied even being able to continue to hold land in SL, after following this advice? Interesting.

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_5-07-2009


Interesting? No. Disgusting? Yes.

BLONDIN, DON'T ASK DON'T TELL DOESN'T WORK FOR THE MILITARY IT SURE AS HELL WON'T WORK IN SL.

STOP TELLING US TO LIE ABOUT WHO AND WHAT WE ARE, WHO AND WHAT WE ARE WITH, AND WHO AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.

Stop trying to force us into being deceitful just to fit a F**king business model!
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Thorn Witrial
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05-07-2009 19:05
And once more guys. I talked to Hamlet AU and he's written us up on his blog.


http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/


Please go there and add comments. Thanks.
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Still nothing reassuring?
05-07-2009 20:01
Damn I guess all we can do still is wait, I think its the wait thats really pissing people off now. People just want to say fine lets get on with it then, give us some clear deffinitions some clear answers and let us do our thing instead of dancing around like a bear who's sat on a bee hive.

Not many people are happy with it, hopefully they will see that and give us some consessions or limit some changes, time will tell I guess. I cant really comment on this anymore its starting my anxity up too much, just wait and see again, wait and see.
Ann Otoole
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05-07-2009 21:16
I think the concept of telling people they are not going to be swapped out but they can't remain in a certain business unless they pay long time friends of LL staff or LL staff via alts huge sums of money for ursula parcels regardless of when they started is instant embarrassing lawsuit bait. In fact it is extortion, is illegal, and should be handled by men with guns and badges. So Klingdon best get his ducks in a row and forget the auction and just let anyone that wants to move swap out end of story. The practice of LL allowing it's buddies to openly practice blatant extortion needs to end.

If it means there is nobody left outside of ursula then the question of adult content percentage has been answered and the entire slate of executives need to explain how the numbers could be so wrong and pay for their errors with their careers. If only 2 to 4% move then fine. But if it well over 2 to 4% then we need to be seeing some executive heads roll.
Da5id Weatherwax
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05-07-2009 21:34
Well I guess we will NEVER see the Hong Kong Cavaliers on the grid then, because sure as heck the overthruster will be adult....
Valerius Constantine
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05-07-2009 22:09
From: Akira Luminos
The transcript of Blondin's office hours today - 5-07-2009 (snipped to just when Blondin was actually present, but discussion did continue) are now up at:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_5-07-2009



Wow- the first words that spring to mind are "What the <filtered> is that <filtered> <filtered> talking about?"


I am *really* beginning to like the idea of substituting "linden" for every scrap of profanity in every ad and land description on mature mainland.

We'll all know what it means, and it won't cause our adult businesses to break TOS that way.

For example, here's Chet Linden In "From Dusk Til Dawn"

"All right, Linden, Linden, Linden! Come on in Linden lovers! Here at the Linden Twister we're slashing Linden in half! Give us an offer on our vast selection of Linden, this is a Linden blow out! All right, we got white Linden, black LInden, Spanish Linden, yellow Linden, we got hot Linden, cold Linden, we got wet Linden, we got <sniff> smelly Linden, we got hairy Linden, bloody Linden, we got snappin' Linden, we got silk Linden, velvet Linden, Naugahyde Linden, we even got horse Linden, dog Linden, chicken Linden! Come on, you want Linden, come on in, Linden lovers! If we don't got it, you don't want it! Come on in, Linden lovers!"


Sorry, I had to.

^V^
Vorren Voltaire
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05-08-2009 00:10
From: Valerius Constantine


For example, here's Chet Linden In "From Dusk Til Dawn"

"All right, Linden, Linden, Linden! Come on in Linden lovers! Here at the Linden Twister we're slashing Linden in half! Give us an offer on our vast selection of Linden, this is a Linden blow out! All right, we got white Linden, black LInden, Spanish Linden, yellow Linden, we got hot Linden, cold Linden, we got wet Linden, we got <sniff> smelly Linden, we got hairy Linden, bloody Linden, we got snappin' Linden, we got silk Linden, velvet Linden, Naugahyde Linden, we even got horse Linden, dog Linden, chicken Linden! Come on, you want Linden, come on in, Linden lovers! If we don't got it, you don't want it! Come on in, Linden lovers!"


Sorry, I had to.

^V^


Can I use that in a classified ad?
Argent Stonecutter
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05-08-2009 01:37
From: Ann Otoole
I think the concept of telling people they are not going to be swapped out but they can't remain in a certain business unless they pay long time friends of LL staff or LL staff via alts huge sums of money for ursula parcels regardless of when they started is instant embarrassing lawsuit bait.
I think that telling people they aren't going to be swapped out but they can't keep their current lifestyle without paying FIC land barons huge sums of money is at least as big a problem, and one that Linden Labs is far less likely to have sympathy with if Blondin's comments are on target.
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