RC Questions

You mean the old PG definitions (roughly equivalent to PG) or the new ones (roughly equivalant to ESRB's Early Childhood rating)?

If the latter, is LL going to offer land swaps to those PG mainland owners who will be affected by this change?

Matthew

i know, I'm just getting lazy

Has LL employed this person by any chance?

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/07/07/connecticut-attorney-general-esrb-under-influence-regarding-alcohol-use-games

Matthew

I posted this poll:



In response to this quote from Mark Kingdon:

"Kingdon said the company didn't have statistics on how many of people use the site for adult activities, but added that it's in the minority."

Source:

Results: Approximately 2/3 of forum voters use the site (Second Life) for adult activities.

Note: Adult in this poll is meant to be what the average MSNBC reader would consider adult. That is the audience Kingdon was addressing, so that is the meaning that applies. Our internal-to-SL discussions about adult region maturity ratings are a different thing.

I'm assuming the new ones that read more like G because Blondin said they were going to update the KB.

I added some new pages on the SLapt wiki to collect questions, issues, and alternatives:



Right now our thoughts are scattered over 20,000 forum posts and several JIRA issues, so I thought it would be good to collect them in an easy to find place. I have not tried yet to go back thru all the back messages to find stuff. Help me be lazy by adding your items to those pages

It seems to me the financial impact to the estate owners that will be losing paying tenants is going to be significant. Is there an assumption by LL that all land owners are the same? How is LL addressing this? Sorry - my brain hurts on this one

Looks like it is not

Yeah.. this going to be a real problem.

Before someone explained this to me in the other forum thread, I didn't understand what the difference was between Age Verified and Payment Info Used; I mistakenly assumed that verifying your age was the only way to get into an adult parcel and that that they were alternative methods of verifying your age.

Now I know better, and realise that PIU/PIOF have nothing to do with your age other than that they are a method of gaining access to Adult sims without involving Aristotle, but then I didn't know that and got very confused that I was PIU but still not age verified.

OK, I now understand how it works, but my point is that I had to put in a support ticket and ask in a forum to get it explained (and received a better and faster explanation in the forum, I should add).

Before doing that, though, I had a lengthy conversation with Concierge Live Help and someone in Accounts, who were both as confused about it as was I; we were all labouring under the same misapprehension, or at least they were a couple of weeks ago, and it was at their suggestion I put in a support ticket in the hope someone in Support might understand what was happening.

It's not very impressive when the front line support staff are as baffled by the details a major and controversial new policy as are the customers.

Blondin wrote me back again and said they were not changing from what they already are. Now I'm confused. Which definition? This is so unclear and uncommunicated.

*sigh*

There is a page on the SLapt.me wiki with quotes can you post the IM log there if you have it.

Oh yeh, everyone who's got skin in the game needs to sign up for SL6B... and come up with some tasteful builds publicizing the extent of these changes.

Not in your face stuff, things that NOBODY can object to. Like, say, "a history of Toonshine", or "Underdog and his Proton Pills"...

Edit: maybe the Bugs Bunny Amaretto:



http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-30259.html#

I work with ratings systems, fairly deeply (including translations, content flagging logic, etc)

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp

A PG-rated motion picture should be investigated by parents before they let their younger children attend. The PG rating indicates, in the view of the Rating Board, that parents may consider some material unsuitable for their children, and parents should make that decision.

The more mature themes in some PG-rated motion pictures may call for parental guidance. There may be some profanity and some depictions of violence or brief nudity. But these elements are not deemed so intense as to require that parents be strongly cautioned beyond the suggestion of parental guidance. There is no drug use content in a PG-rated motion picture.



does that sound at all like LL's pg?

how about this:

A G-rated motion picture contains nothing in theme, language, nudity, sex, violence or other matters that, in the view of the Rating Board, would offend parents whose younger children view the motion picture. The G rating is not a “certificate of approval,” nor does it signify a “children’s” motion picture. Some snippets of language may go beyond polite conversation but they are common everyday expressions. No stronger words are present in G-rated motion pictures. Depictions of violence are minimal. No nudity, sex scenes or drug use are present in the motion picture.

as far as i know the LL pg re-definition would absolutely flag beauty and the beast as objectionable content subject to abuse reports/disciplinary action, i mean the bar scene alone! theres gratuitous alcohol references, cartoon violence, and sexual themes to the song.

is it just me... or do you guys think the lower center poster here

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Posters.asp

would be the *BEST* protest sign for this, like, ever heh

What they are assuming is that the 250 mainland regions for Ursula, plus however many estates convert their regions to Adult, will handle all the people who need/want adult land.

The problem is smaller estates, and people within estates will be disrupted. If you own a 1 island mall with a mix of stores, you have to decide one or the other, Mature or Adult. With mature you have to kick out the adult stores, with adult, some people will not be able to get in, so the non-adult store may move out or close due to lack of traffic.

This will cause short term pain while everyone finds a new place, and longer term pain cause Ursula will suck away some tenants.

From http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/afilm.html

In a set of all 81 g rated films released from 1937 - 200 and found:

The five movies with the most on-screen use of alcohol:
Sleeping Beauty - 174 seconds
Dumbo - 133 seconds
Fantasia - 128 seconds
The Great Mouse Detective - 118 seconds
Beauty and the Beast - 86 seconds

The five movies with the most on-screen use of tobacco:
The Three Caballeros - 629 seconds
Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland - 416 seconds
One Hundred and One Dalmatians - 387 seconds
Happily Ever After - 374 seconds
Alice in Wonderland - 323 seconds



.................................................ALCOHOL USE........TOBACCO USE
# of films...................................38 of 81 films.........35 of 81 films
% of films...................................47%.....................43%
Duration of use (average)............42 seconds/film.....2.1 minutes/film


Matthew

Maybe, but that's hard to predict. There's some appeal to having Ursula's critical mass of non-kiddie sims all in one place, but a lot of Mainlanders are having the rug pulled out from under them and may be spooked enough to instead make less permanent arrangements on private Estates.

I think the long term effect, really, is inefficiency--to the benefit of LL's tier and fee revenue. We'll see it rampant during the transition as residents shuffle around trying to find an appropriate site, but even after the initial chaos settles, an Estate that wants to serve PG, Mature, and Adult markets will have three distinct, non-interchangeable categories of land to keep rented. If there aren't more vacant parcels as a result, I'd be surprised.

Jack's Office Hour is at 11AM SLT.

Even better, I am now getting "403-Forbidden" on private.php in this very forum. Can't send PMs anymore.

You're probably a victim of unnatural SELECTion FROM the sound of it.

Isn't that the brain-damaged SQL filters at work?

For the cantankerous blogs, I've gotten it to work by quitting Firefox without saving the session or, worst case, switching browsers.

Yeah, it was, but I didn't type it; it was quoted in the message that was sent to me in PM!

How can it be sent to me when I can't send it? O.o

FIC exception?

Well, the sender is one of the posters here, so maybe he/she can explain about being part of the FIC.