RC Questions

Votes: 3038

as of 0920hrs GMT +1

Thanks added to the SLapt.me wiki on the Press page and added comments to the wiki and your blog

Seems like they have not/will not be changing the PG definitions anytime soon.

From the "When Second Life Turns Six..." blog post at:

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/events/blog/2009/05/06/when-second-life-turns-six

I have to wonder what a significant number would be. Last I heard the regular user base was 600,000. The 0.5% mark has just been broken, it's not that convincing. Even given the hassle of signing into JIRA I doubt a Linden will blink until it reaches, say, 5%. That's months away, if ever.

Bearing in mind this is just word of mouth and at the rate other JIRAs grow I do not think it to bad, just a shame LL doesn't announce the changes in a better manner to everyone I bet then the JIRA would grow a lot faster

Maybe its a useless way to make a statement, maybe its not, however it is a way and to not do it would just as crazy

I think 3000 is an impressive statement.

Austria has 8 000 000 citizens. A public opinion poll where 150 people are asked by a professional agency counts here as representative result.

In Germany, with 80 000 000 citizens are 1500 people representative.

Here we have 3000 and growing against the plan, after only one week or so.

This should give LL something to think.

If I were a CEO there I would start to become nervous.

I think not that we had 3000 different avatar-names here in the forums about the change.

Maybe some hundred at start.

And in this RC forum, maybe 50 hard core reader/poster. Not much new names.

But the JIRA... the JIRA gives a clear signal!

So: if the Lindens would have made an announcement on the entry screen, stable for some weeks...from March, 12. on...

Oh lalala.

LL shows no reaction. But they peeked They know. They know that their plan would have no chance against the resistance of 90 - 95 % of the residents, because all are here for fun and freedom, no matter if sometimes "sex"-related or not, because no one likes to be controlled and restricted in general. This lays grounded in human nature and is an essential of SL itself: freedom!

We have a bit more time in front, to make all this more and more public ingame, to reach as much people as possible.

Just a tidbit of info... I had contacted Blue through his contact page.. and received an email back from him earlier. While i don't have permission to post his email reply to me.. i will say this.. BLUE SPECIFICALLY STATED... This has been in the works for almost 9.. yes NINE MONTHS... and the first blog post went up what...6-9 WEEKS AGO?

Now, i am NOT bashing Blue... far from it. He is the FIRST Linden that actually responded... and by his reply, its obvious he at LEAST read what i sent him... so that's saying a HELL of a lot more than i can say for most. Kudo's to Blue Linden for doing his job.

BUT.... 9 months. Nine. We were notified 9 weeks ago. SO... are they listening? Do they care? Who knows...

Just a reminder... PLEASE VOTE!!

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727


And for those that want to know, there is ONE simple solution to all of this...

FIX SEARCH! Get your teams out there, and start ENFORCING THE RULES AS THEY STAND.

Follow along lindens...I am typing slow....

in your SL viewer... click the SEARCH button. Now, proceed to the *ALL* search Tab.
Mark *any category*...and UNCLICK Include Mature content.

Now.. in the search field... type the word..."FUCK"... with no quotes.

Results 1 - 10 of about 5210 for fuck (0.032728 seconds)

now.. do the same search again.. with *Show Mature Content* Checked....

Results 1 - 10 of about 6460 for fuck (0.041401 seconds)

Do the math. 6460 listings.. including businesses, groups, profiles, use that one word.
Only 1250 people are listed correctly... how did i get that number? Simple.
*Show Mature Content* also shows non-mature content. So only 1250 out of 6460 People follow your ALREADY IN PLACE TOS....

You want to clean up SL? Start there. You could keep a FULL team of Lindens busy for WEEKS simply by doing that.

and no code, move, or filtering changes required.
your customers remain happy.
you restore some loyalty in LL.
and people that SEARCH the word *FUCK* have to specifically be hunting mature content to find it. and well.. if they click *show mature content*... they can't exactly AR or raise hell cause they seen something they specifically went looking for now could they?

WIN-WIN. Try it.. i dare you

~Brie

I agree - RL polling organizations work with far smaller percentages of opinion givers and can extrapolate remarkably accurate predictions (of course they do get it wrong sometimes as well)

Personally I feel the figure would be far higher but for a few things.

1 Over the last few days I have done a tour of significant adult content places, clubs, communities, stores role play sims etc - and I was sad to see that less than 1 in 10 of them (probably more) had any kind of information about adult content on display either for or against.

2 I'm a member of of quite a few adult groups with upwards of 1000 members / VIPS, to date I have only received information about the adult content debacle form 1 of them - now in one or two cases I know for certain it's not because the owners are in support of the plan - it's more a case of apathy and inertia

3 The information we circulate about the plan is impressive and detailed - and to many in particular those who don't have English as their first lanquage may find it daunting to understand - reading Notecards in lagy SL is bad enough - reading long notecards is a real turn off

4 The voting process isn't easy - it involves more than 1 click and and some intuition to navigate to the vote button. I helped a friend on IM navigate the process real time - she's a smart and internet savvy but it still took more than 15 minutes for her to hit the spot. Only the dedicated and determined will be bothered to go to that trouble

So in conclusion I feel that if more interested parties with adult content were to help get the message across, by placing signs and sending out notices in their groups it wouldn't be very long before you saw the grass roots protest in jira grow significantly higher.

Perhaps some of us, myself included can start pulling together a simple bullet point summary of the threat as we see it and an 'easy steps' guide to logging in to the jira and voting

^L^

Sindy uses the following in her sig line:

Against the coming adult content changes? Vote for MISC-2727!!!
- Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727?
- If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in
- Click the "Vote for it" link on the left

More words from our Chairman M(ao)

That's excellent thx - I'll use it on my next group notice and group IM

If I wasn't convinced that M has all mechanisms to communicate with him inworld switched off I'd suggest it was time to drop him a line pointing out that he company is still failing to meet these standards.

Don't forget that today @ 3.30 SLT is Blondin's happy hour.

Heh, so much for blondin's statement of "there was such an outcry that we're going to re-visit the "PG" definitions"

They have reinforced the New definition of "PG" as "G".

^V^

Wait until they announce these changes as widely as they did the Openspace changes. I think that 5% will be *conservative* once users begin to work their group affiliations and direct people to the JIRA in Job Lots.

Of course, by then, LL will have declared if "Closed and resolved" or something

^V^

Perhaps it's meaningful to the people trying to make the statement, even if no Linden is listening. The jira vote recruitment is raising awareness among folks who'd otherwise be unaware as the calendar flips closer to the fated day with still no effective warning about what's coming.

What jira vote would get LL's attention? Forget it. 101% of the entire subscriber base would mean nothing to them now, they're so intoxicated by a new market that (they believe) dwarfs their current business and that (they believe) they can win by tidying up the joint.

To be fair, I suspect LL was lead into this bout of magical thinking by listening to some of their customers. Educators, non-profits, and businesses are nothing if not self-promoting--it is how they survive and prosper. Feed their self delusions into a Marketing plan, and the errors of (sales) commission will compound themselves without limit.

So they believe it now, and any attempt to disabuse them of this folly will be seen as negativism. I don't think we have much choice but to watch them waste our tier payments, pursuing a market that finds reasons to withdraw faster than LL can chase with an ever more generously fueled Marketing budget.

In the meantime, if we haven't given up altogether, we need to be looking out for ourselves and for each other. LL won't: they honestly don't think they need to.

As long as RL is not in the way i will be there

So will I. although it's around midnight our time I think.

Jacks at 4pm will probably be the better one. Since he's provided more information on the logistics of the move during that press conference last Friday. It may be he's more of an organ grinder than the monkey (so to speak ).

God DAMN.

And I can't log in to post a comment there. I get "document contains no data".

They totally need to get called out in the comments on that page.

If you remember they got called out over their position on child avs during last year's. They did some back pedalling but iirc didn't change their position at all.

The teen grid has always complained that LL ignores them during any kind of celebration. The comments in the merchants brownbag that showed they'd never even considered an adult showcase means we've effectively dropped off the radar since they're not even going to bother trying to replicate any of the now pg infrastructure for the adult grid.

What's interesting about this of course is that both luskwood and NCI are effectively excluded since they've already expressed fear that they cannot meet the pg. But then, in all honesty, who can?

Or according to the SLX forums valued more. Even the ones who are not here.

If Blondin is still around could he clarify the status of the definitions on https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=6010 ?

As many have noted as well as the changes to Mature, these definitions also radically change the PG rating from what was previous roughly equivalent to the use of PG ratings for films (as decribed at https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=3954 ) to one which is even more stringent than G rating for movies (e.g. many Disney cartoons would be classed as mature under the definitions proposed here).

To date these have been presented as draft definitions, and it has furthermore been claimed on these forums that the definition of PG is not changing and that this is an error in the draft.

However, the new definition of PG is being stated as the "current definition" in the latest SL6B blog post?

So is the new definition of PG the one we should be using in world? If so this will have a major impact on those PG land owners whose current activities whilst previously PG are now classed as mature.

Matthew

I asked your question on the blog and I hope that was OK?

Matthew, if you can, could you ask that question on the SL6B comments section? The blogs hate me, when I try to log in I get a drop down that says "document contains no data".

Meta Linden's imaginary potential customers.

lol.. absolutely.

this bit is the most interesting I thought

"This applies across the spectrum, from streaming media, avatar representation, exhibitor material and to conduct while in attendance or exhibiting."

I can't wait to see how they enforce good behaviour in chat..

allowing for the fact that LL has recently tried for pure Disney with these celebrations none of this is surprising

What does concern me is that this is the standard they will apply to the grid for real - even if they don't intend to enforce it. "avatar representation, ...and to conduct while in attendance or exhibiting" is a nightmare for any land owner to enforce.

"exhibitor material " is basically what they've been calling advertising.. this new term encompasses everything and will suit their purposes much better.