RC Questions

One or two hours. But it was over a fine-art painting!

Because it puts more people in a position where they're liable to be subject to random suspensions and banning, of course.

Ahhh ok...but even at that the numbers have been falling for a week not getting out of the 60's maybe low 70's for a short period

Yes, this plan has enough weight to fail all on it's own.. Just try to understand what's being proposed and explain it as well as you can to people who are confused - no need to embellish.

...how about organised log outs at specified times, not to hard to co-ordinate by sending out notices to our groups 5 or 10 minutes before the action. Doesn't even need to be for full days, a 30 minute walkout by a few thousand people at the same time would send a powerful message to LL. And co-ordinated - No Spend! days would produce hard fact metrics that can't be ignored but it may be difficult to persuade the shopaholics to join in

^L^

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http://etitsup.com/slstatistics/online-now-last-24hrs

these guys are really good for early indications that something is wrong. there's been issues with sl - outside world comms for a few days now which has been reflected in the graph, rather than a smooth curve you just see dots..

Also if you think there may be something wrong with the grid this is the place to check, you'll see the falloff in numbers here well before LL get around to telling you formally.

I don't tend to use that forum as I get the impression on the whole it consists of a lot of LL Fanboi's so whatever is said seems to go over their heads as they bend over for another shafting from LL.

I've lurked there for some years now and seen the Fanboi attitude consistently grow, over the years I have been a Mentor I have seen the same changes there also. Perhaps these people drink from the same Kool aid fountain LL use

You can lead a horse to water and all that

He actually was suspended for only an hour or two, but the issue was that he was suspended at all. Even if for just a minute, it was a HORRIBLE mistake, and no apology is going to cover for it.



It's not random, it is inconsistent. There's a big difference in those two terms. Random implies they throw dice or draw lots to determine whether to act and to what extent. Inconsistent means that different people decide whether to act and to what extent based on different perceptions of the rules. Even the same person can act on two similar cases, differentiated only temporally, with radically different responses. It is an attitude/training issue but, also, it is a core problem with the way the rules are made. If you have vague rules to begin with, which do not serve as a guide to help those enforcing them how to act, then you have the foundation for such inconsistency. All the training and attitude adjustment in the world cannot save an enforcement organization from inconsistent and spotty enforcement of vague rules with conflicting assertions.

If it were random, it would at least be a known state that could be worked with.



It doesn't change the base problem. Vague, conflicting rules, lack of training of enforcement personnel, and lack of feedback and remediation in the enforcement cycle leads to the same set of problems. The difference is that, now, the kinds of things you can get in trouble for are a lot closer to the core of what people consider "normal" and "acceptable" behavior, and enforcement failure will have a much more significant impact on their enjoyment of SL itself.

In simpler words, when you make the method used to walk down a sidewalk a topic of enforcement, people will cease to use the sidewalk for fear of being ganked over it. If using the sidewalk is optional (as participation in SL most definitely is), people WILL "opt out".

Well poop...I was kinda hoping some of it was due to what we are doing and people getting pissed off

but what does it prove? apart from showing how many people are unhappy about it, there's nothing there that would make Ll reconsider.

only dropping premium and tiers and stopping bringing money inworld is going to do that.. these short term things do nothing except show that the majority of the disgruntled are all mouth and no trousers

My birthday is Sunday, I'll be a whole two years old here...and finally got potty trained but I don't think I'll spend it here....lol

Well, WHEN and IF that happens Argent, it will obviously be an issue that will need to be addressed.

The alternate view is that there will be an attempt to make the G-Team function with more consistancy. Again, WHEN and IF that happens, it will become a viable talking point.

Whizz me one over in world and I will see what I can do about getting it out as well to a few groups, maybe whisper in Cherry's ear as well

Also can you email the note card and poster so I can put it up on the wiki and put a page up for scarlet linden as well from the SL wiki details as its good to have a record of these things

I think it is a viable "talking point" right NOW, because the G-team is presently a known quantity. Taking it as it is right NOW, and throwing MORE vague and conflicting rulesets at them to enforce WILL only make things worse, especially when the rulesets cover issues which 1) are popular, and 2) have rarely been contentious in the past.

If those factors have not been taken into serious consideration by those behind this policy, they REALLY need to do so, otherwise it will be just another major ingredient in this recipe for disaster.

the forum is a good cross section of sl as a whole.. except (believe it or not) those xsl people are more knowledgeable.

I used to really like that forum a couple of years or so ago, but for the last 18 months it has been going downhill.. the overriding feature of it is the shallowness (they start to complain if a serious topic takes up too much attention) and the sheer pack animal instinct that gives them the opportunity and the social approbation to attack.

of all of the sl related forums it really does appear to be shut ins gone bad.

bad Couldbe, fancy saying such nasty things. /me wags a finger at myself

Cherry has already sent it out to me and I've dropped it over the the I am adult content mob too - although I don't know if they've got it yet

Don't get me wrong it is a change i have noticed over the last couple of years, both there and generally in the Mentor channel, seems LL are breeding a new type of customer that will defend them come what may lol

Problem i wont be fine
Also i don't have any words to change

How will i be fine stuck on the mainland after this

I do wish people would stop assuming that the people who get dumped are somehow fine

K

I may be in the same boat even though what I have at my club can be considered very extreme...the key words they are using are "the most impacted", if they mean monetary loss I may not get the swap either...I have items for sale but I don't sell much...the main loss I will have is probably quite a few members of the club...most are Japanese.
If I don't get the swap I have two choices....abandon my land...or pay tier until the time land prices recover which may be never..then sell out and bid SL farewell!
P.S. I believe the only ones who will get the free swap will be the big boys who sell a lot like Xcite and others who pay the most tier...MHO
P.S.S. LOL..also...if I don't get the swap you will see one giant parcel with the biggest red fence with hippo security going all the way up to 4096 meters no one will set foot on it until I sell out....and a giant junkyard view from outside of it...let the business's and educators see that!

It is a valid talking point, missing nearly all the information it needs to make it also an accurate one.

Really ... I find all this rather amazing.

The same people that castigate the Lindens because the plan isn't clear, are dead set sure that they will be ruined by it.

Do yourself a favor ... wait until the meal is on the table, before you decide the food sucks.

Not being rude but it's already ruined just from the thought of it

Dropped the card with the posters on our 900 member group and am just about to do a page on the SLapt.me wiki with the details from the card and create a page for Scarlet Linden to go on the linden pages.

when you food stinks while it's cooking you probably won't like it. ANd then when you hear the ingredients, you may want to throw up.
BT

I think that is just an affect caused by the new viewer...I lost my face.
BT

I am wondering a little at the strange dichotomy of people complaining on one hand that the Adult continent is going to be a ghetto, implying that people would be exiled there, against their wills, and now are worrying that it's going to be so in demand that prices are going to skyrocket when the land goes up for auction.

Ghettos aren't usually a place that people are clamoring to get INTO.

Others have said that the mainland will become a wasteland of boring builds and nothing to do. Well, if that's the case, then the Adult Continent is going to be the place to be, isn't it? Those that got land there free in a swap might actually end up doing quite well out of it...

I also agree with an earlier poster - if the values go up, LL can make a ton of money adding new sims to it and selling those - a revenue generator for them.

Still not supporting the way LL are going about this project, just pointing out that it might not be ALL gloom and doom once the dust settles.