RC Questions

To both you and daniel I'd just like to remind you that the definitions meeting is exactly that, anything else is off topic and will just take precious time away from sorting out the definitions.

With any luck they'll just let it run until it's done, but since both jack and blondins open houses last week were an hour on the nose it's quite likely that they'll have their stop watch and when the time is up, it's up.

Just make sure you get the real points across re definitions first.

you might like to ask them if they have any words that will be filtered for mature too. as the ads will be streamed according to parcel type I'm sure there are words that shouldn't be allowed on pg.. well, if they were going to take this seriously of course.

This list would possibly include some/all of the ones that are going to be dropped off the adult list.

since the infrastructure for streaming of content is to be included in the viewer/server code and this is the only place where activities are actually defined by rating, it's only fair to those who are on pg/mature land that they understand what can and can't be said/done.

If you see what I mean.

To both you and daniel I'd just like to remind you that the definitions meeting is exactly that, anything else is off topic and will just take precious time away from sorting out the definitions.

With any luck they'll just let it run until it's done, but since both jack and blondins open houses last week were an hour on the nose it's quite likely that they'll have their stop watch and when the time is up, it's up.

Just make sure you get the real points across re definitions first.

you might like to ask them if they have any words that will be filtered for mature too. as the ads will be streamed according to parcel type I'm sure there are words that shouldn't be allowed on pg.. well, if they were going to take this seriously of course.

This list would possibly include some/all of the ones that are going to be dropped off the adult list.

since the infrastructure for streaming of content is to be included in the viewer/server code and this is the only place where activities are actually defined by rating, it's only fair to those who are on pg/mature land that they understand what can and can't be said/done.

If you see what I mean.

check out the educators brown bag and the press conference last week.


The educator one (I only read the transcript) is a LL fantasy version of what was really said if the comparison between the merchants audio and transcript are anything to go by.

There was a classic question in the pc where it was pointed out to cyn that the biggest concern was the flying pensies.. as she spluttered her way through the answer it made me laugh

edit: and wb to the fray

I have heard this reported to we would welcome any edu establishments commenting on the Independent wiki we have set up for everyone, the address is in my sig line, it is also building into a good collection of links and information.

Good luck with catching up with all the reading since you have been away

Yes Mum

I have pasted this to a notecard and will ensure it is asked

Four key issues for me:

i) confirmation that what is permitted on PG land is not changing
ii) consideration of the ESRB ratings and definitions (I would suggest the PG is equivalent to ESRB T 13+ rating, Mature to ESRB M 17+ rating and Adult to ESRB Adult rating - unfortunately called AO, doh!)
iii) informing the community properly
iii) as above, that any land swap not offered to *all* mainland mature owners who request it is unfair, discrimatory and in general an unethical business practice which will undermine any attempt by LL to promote SL as a business platform.


Matthew

/me sternly wags a finger.

and someone told be that in the next couple of months LL are intending to launch a "major education system" to try to bring educators back into sl.

I don't know what this means and have no more information. apart from that news article I found the other day about a behind the firewall jobbie I've really seen nothing..

does anyone know?

Dunno, but if it doesn't include import, export and/or backup capabilities, it probably will not attract much attention.

Matthew

These are the relevant questions for me too. I hope on some clear answers from the Lindens (ahm...well...)

added to the list

Any news about that Scarlet Linden over zealous censoring issue yet? If not I would still drop an email to Jack again asking as he said he would check and remind him he would as I posted the chat log of that meeting here

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Jack_Linden:_5-07-2009

PS: I have added a page regarding this issue from the notecard that you passed around here:

www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Scarlet_Linden_deleted_several_adult_content_protest_signs

I have no idea. Some days ago I found 4-5 strange looking islands on the map.

They look all the same. You cannot teleport there.

They are called: Immersive Workspaces Build. Immersive Workspaces Master. Immersive Lab. Immersive Workspaces Demo and Jasper Forest. Some are at the very upper west of the map, 2 I found between the two halfs of the north continent. All with very light green colored landscape texture and all with the same "Linden like" looking buildings. I saw never green points on them, and they are not to find In "search all" but if you type the names in map search they appear. Maybe it's a private thing from average residents or a Linden program. Their look and feel is more: Linden...the names too, from my view. Maybe a test-balloon wich they started with that River Runs Red (or how that name was, they find ever new no-name companies for joint ventures,,,) company. Well, just a speculation of mine, while I saw that. Can mean nothing or has to do with the article you have read.

I have no news. No IMs and no email reached me or my biz partner. Partner and me will send them a more hmm? well again polite but slightly more robust... email, after our first is still unanswered. We have still silence on all channels so far. And additional we have weekend..., but we send a second mail and for more comfort in language and expression we try to catch Jean Linden or this Simone for a talk in german.

The signs I rezzed (beside all other developements including the boxed bear and so on) I saw meanwhile much on the grid. If they want to take all, they would have much to do....hahahaha

Thats why I have ensured all the posters are out on my land, I want to see how stupid this Scarlet is with her censoring these signs, the reason being she is a member of the GTeam, so it doesn't bode well for people if she is called to make a Judgment call on an AR based on that little episode and Jack says the GTeam will handle things correctly, I wouldn't trust them to handle a piss up in a brewery correctly let alone make Judgment calls on content LMAO

When you get a reply please post it on the wiki page i created for you, as we would all like to see the explanation I am sure

Most interesting. There will be a wide range of different opinions in the academic community i have no doubt of that. But it does not surprise me to here that one strongly held opinion of many there will be anti-censorship. It would be good if the above story could somehow be confirmed.

K

There's a lot of variability among G-Team members in how they treat ARs, as we saw during the height of the adfarm wars. Before Jack blogged the adfarm policy, G-Team response was as near random as made no difference. They constructed fanciful "anti-blocking" policies on a whim and confabulated a whole history of precedents going back to before point-to-point TPs. Had it not been so frustrating it would have been hilarious.

Things got a bit better after they were given some clear marching orders with the blogging of successive approximations to an adfarm ban. There was still variability but they were, uh... "less creative" in their interpretations.

So maybe for a while after the Adult Content restrictions are put into effect, G-Team will tow the line specified by policy.

("After all... tomorrow is another day."

Until then, luck of the draw whether an AR gets handled by Thelephobic Linden.

That is half the problem imo, a GTeam that doesn't have clearly defined policies to follow and much of it left to over zealous individuals of the said team to define, with no redress for the customers when a Linden acts like god and doesn't engage their brains before carrying out an action.

That is of course not to say they are all like that, thank god, but a few are and I notice its the ones that have recently joined the company that tend to act like dorks on Judgment calls a LL fanboi's ultimate job eh?

What galls me the most is that these are people that are meant to know what SL is about as they are recruited from the customer base, I think I may make it my next project "Out a Linden" just a shame they forget their roots after company brainwashing, Stepford Wives comes to mind

I do not spend hours per day reading forums. I don't have the time to try to sort out the facts from the tons of posts.

My situation: I bought a mainland Mature sim last year. I have residences on it at the moment; nothing else, not even a store. But I bought a Mature sim so that I could do whatever I wanted with the sim in the future.

Now it appears that if I decide next fall to open a strip club on the sim that I own, I will not be able to. I will have to buy land in the Adult continent (or whatever it's called) and sell my Mature sim. As far as I can figure, I will not qualify for a trade of land because I am not right now one of the small number of designated adult areas.

And if I were to get a land trade, would I come close to an equal trade? I shopped for a long time for my sim. It is adjacent to linden water and I can sail to over about 20 open water sims. Will the Adult continent offer me that?

As far as I can tell, this change means I will not be able to do anything I want with the sim I bought with that freedom in mind. The rules changed and, as usual, the ordinary user bears the brunt.

I am in a similar situation. It does seem very wrong to have the rules change and as it is going to potentially be very expensive for us users to fix it seems extortionate.

Is there any way of making a formal complaint to LL? Because i think the length of this blog is such they don't really read it anymore.

K

PS Could u argue that the thing u bought is now no longer fit for purpose entirely through LL actions and get the money back?

How is that an improvement for those left on the Mature Mainland? I'm not going to qualify for a free swap by any stretch. I simply don't see how this plan will ensure that BOTH Mature mainland and Adult land will prosper. I honestly believe one will have to fail in order for the other to succeed. I hope I'm wrong.

At any rate, I have virtually dropped out of SL. I used to spend a good portion of my day logged into SL, but have limited my time in world to just enough to read messages and then log immediately back out. I also stopped spending money in world as soon as this plan was announced.

They also said at the very beginning, that the plan wasn't complete, and that more information would be available in the future. This didn't satisfy those that wanted answers on their own time schedule, and were going to get them even if they had to make them up.

Quite a bit of what the Lindens "said" was never actually said by any of them, or was in response to a barrage. A random barrage of inconsistent comment/questions, will often result in a random barrage of inconsistant answers.

I'm not excusing the Lindens, but do understand them. I also saw a lot of inconsistancy in their answers, but not even close to the inconsistancy I saw in the questioning, and not even a fraction of the inconsistancy in the things I have seen attributed to them, that didn't actually come from them.

Small example: I have been going out of my way to visit the stores of people that post here. Even spent some money in a few. There are two posters that made a major fuss about how difficult it was going to be for them to move their existing builds. Upon making my visits I found that these two posters were actually on private islands, and would not need to move at all.

The ToS is quite detailed so is not the problem really. Like you say the problem is mostly the word "judgement" This is a bad word when it comes to enforcement. It implies choice, as in I can choose to use my judgement when enforcing the ToS. There are some situations not covered by the ToS but most are. And in the few circumstances they are not, then the enforcers should be told to use their common sense. Any judgements they can leave to God.

I'm just stepping into this thread...

Does anyone know if there is a JIRA to search via parcel settings, not region settings? I've got a PG parcel in a Mature region, and with this search, my PG customers won't ever find me.

My main point is not the definitions in detail at the Adult, Mature, and PG levels, but that they are changing the land ratings out from under existing landowners, effectively downgrading everyone a level. Mature land will still be *called* Mature, but its effectively less mature than before.

On the specifics of the definitions, I have collected these points:

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The definitions in the draft knowledge base page as of 8 May 2009 are too restrictive for the existing SL population.

* Second Life (as opposed to teen second life) is an over-18 service.

* The CSI television show, among the most popular in the US, often depicts "Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm), and is rated for age 14 and up. Linden Labs proposes to restrict such to only a small part of a supposedly over 18 audience.

* Many Disney cartoons depict social alcohol use.