RC Questions

Thanks for the update Patasha- That part of "The reasons" for this always rang hollow for me- (raised by teachers, lots of friends in academia)- I could see an educational concern saying "give us a place what we won't have to deal with this stuff", but not "we want everyone to behave according to *our* ideas of what is appropriate"

One of the reasons I've been flogging the idea of a "G" rated "airlock to protect the easily offended, the newbies, and the folks who can't have that sort of thing around their business (in-world or RL0).

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Assuming, that is, either that they own the islands or, if they don't, that the island owners have already promised to flag the islands as Adult.

If both those assumptions are incorrect, then presumably they'll have to move, with no chance of a land-swop, if the owner decides to keep the islands concerned "Mature".

Were I a sim-owner trying to make such a decision, I would be sensible of both the concerns of other tenants, who would presumably fear the loss of visibility in search that a change in status would entail, and of the fact that I'd be personally liable to disciplinary action by the G team if someone considered a business "Adult" that I'd allowed to stay on my "Mature" sim after the deadline and they agreed.

Crazy Eddie.

A poll of forum readers with about 275 votes resulted in 66% +/- 6% use SL for adult activities.

This is using the general public definition of adult, not the proposed adult rating within SL.

Does anyone know if Jack actually works out of the Brighton office or if he's a remote worker?

I've been thinking about this all afternoon and I'm sorely tempted to organise a face to face meeting with him next week. The amount of time that is being wasted here is phenomenal and these virtual meetings are just not achieving anything meaningful in the way of information exchange.


and I'm now the proud owner of a protest placard for those of you who fancy an inworld picket courtesy of Valentine Young (I really do wish that people would consider a real world one.. le sigh).

So if you want your very own hand held notecard giver/protest sign drop me or valentine a friendly hello and we'll pass it on.

Has anyone received the email about Xstreet?

Starting May 11th we all will be required to use our inworld user names and passwords for our accounts.

If you get hacked inworld...guess what, they got you by the balls on your Xstreet account.
Are all these people really that F'n stupid?
Another part of the big brother plan...no thanks Xstreet..I'll just find the creator inworld and bypass you!

Uhh.. you're more likely to get "hacked" via XStreet than in-world.

I don't have a problem with them synchronizing their user database; it's fast becoming the same account anyway.

I mean, do you worry about using your SL name/password to use the secondlife.com site, the forums, the Wiki, or JIRA? XStreet is going to be no different.

Yes I do worry...I was griefed pretty bad in 2007 by someone who hacked a friends username....SL investigated and my friend hadn't even logged on that day.
And another time i watched all my funds disappear because I wasnt paying attention closing them damn blue windows...watched 7k disappear...so yes I do worry.
Plus SL makes enough money I will not use Xstreet!

I'm not sure but I'm understanding that any member of G-team has the power to make a permanet ban?...and we have some rookies looking to get brownie points?
I believe only one person should have the power to ban permanently "after a review" and that person being Jack since he runs G-team...MHO

Contra Demonia has created a JIRA that I think is also a good one related to the Adult Content issues.

Here it is.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2777

One of my main complaints is that the policy wasn't defined *before* they re-wrote the code of the server and client software. They've been working on this for nine months without knowing *what* constitutes the content they are trying to control! Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the *first* step in any decision (let alone a *business* decision) to "Establish exactly what you want to do"?

And if they don't *know* exactly what they want to do, they why are they *doing* it already with RC's and new server software and posted definitions in the KB that Blondin says are inaccurate?

JUst askin'



Well, it's like this. to say "either they didn't say it, or they said it in response to a bunch of questions" as if those two statements were the same thing, is *not* in any way a logical point.

<insert sarcasm>
If blondin was too flustered by his hectic appearance schedule on on this thread and others to answer accurately, he has had plenty of time to correct himself.
<end Sarcasm>

I don't know about you, but I haven't misrepresented what LL has *said* about anything. If I quote them, that's what is in the transcript, chat log or whatever. The same holds true for all but a few quotes on the threads I've been on, and the exceptions are a vanishingly small number of paraphrases, or mis-rememberings that are quickly corrected.

Granted, I give my opinions and paraphrases of what they are saying, and one way I do that is to put it in quotes- as in:

"Gee guys, there aren't but five adult businesses in SL! they'll all fit on the same sim, and that way we can make room for more merry-go-rounds!"
Mark Kingdon- CEO

I mean, you *can* tell the difference, right?

And maybe we haven't been reading the same posts VL, but I don't see inconsistency in the questions or the comments.

I see *confusion*.

I See confusion brought about by two things.

1. LL Doesn't have a clear and unified goal, policy, or attitude towards this project.
2. LL *hasn't announced in-world the parts that they *are* in agreement on*, or even that there *is* a project.

If LL doesn't know what the hell it's doing, and won't tell anyone but a few even so much as what it's *trying* to do, do you expect anything *other* than confusion? Because *I* don't. What I see is people getting three different answers from any given linden.

If there is a mishmash of questions, misconceptions, or bad information out there about this decision, well, that's LL's fault too isn't it?


Or are you saying that the folks who have been trying to answer people's questions here and in other threads are spreading misinformation?

LS has hosted a Wiki, Daniel and Couldbe have both been archiving their asses off, as have others. Everyone here, with the exception of the occasional person who pops in to vent a solitary "Why haven't I heard about this before?! this sucks!" and the long term hobby-horse people like myself (Hey Blondin! "PG" Ursula, okay? just wanted to get that in there! ) are trying like hell to do LL's work *for* them- feasibility study, economic impact, *environmental* impact, Legal ramifications, Technical considerations, debugging, Marketing, - hell, *everything* that LL was supposed to be doing in the last 9 months, *we're* doing *now*!

Only we're doing it with *all* the info- not just the pretty stuff that LL *likes* to look at.

Frankly, I'd take *our* opinion of this over LL's any day of the week. It's bound to be a lot more accurate.

And for about two posters who were on Private islands- Were they Adult content people who were going to be forced to move when their island stays "mature", or "Mature or "PG" or unverified people who will be forced to move when the island flags "adult"?

Inquiring minds want to know. You see, your example is rather hazy in itself, isn't it? Easy to maybe get a mistaken impression that *nobody* on private islands will have to move, yes?

Just sayin'


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I'm not sure what that has to do with the issue. You do realize that what they are doing is going to integrate XStreet fully with SL itself, right? I don't know if that includes merging balances, but I would expect it to, at some point.



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Thanks for the info Talarus and I agree with all you say.....closing Xstreet acc...I'll just window shop then find who I want

Or just ask me. I'm a shopping fiend. I've helped more people find more stuff, i swear I should hire myself out as a shopping guide.

Well, that may be at cross purposes with those of us who are detiering and keeping our stuff on xstreet, but do what you must.

To be honest I actually have all I need...I joined Xstreet to maybe sell some of my builds but now since most wont find it I cancelled my account there...inworld is more fun traveling around...I'm one who DOESN"T want a predictable experience

If you sell inworld and have something I want I'll buy from you here
Or I'll IM you for the item

Judgment I was using it in the context of the statement 1 below as you put it "Use their common sense"

A few people are floating the idea on my thread on Xstreet that LL is cleaning up the trash in order to sell off the world to someone already waiting in the wings, and that LL will keep Xstreet and other profitable merchanting, virtual currency, banking functions that it has.

If this is the case, it's game over.

You prove my point the moment you put in quotes, things that are not actual quotes.

And I thought they lost the ability to send mass e-mails...

It seems, they can, if they want...

What a modern high-tech company...

Only the upcoming changes for "adult"-content were no motivation for them to send some informations to *all* customers...

How many Lindens does it take to screw in a light bulb?


The best answer will get your account banned, but do ya still wanna try to answer?

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Zero... they don't notice it's missing and let the residents deal with it.

A Mitch Hedberg quote springs to mind

"I'd like to see a forklift lift a crate of Forks. That would just be so damn *literal*"

See, Mitch *actually* said that.

that's why I said it was a Mitch Hedberg *quote*.

Mark Kingdon has never said anything (to my knowledge) about merry-go-rounds, so the quotes around those words are what those of us in the writing game like to call "paraphrasing"- or "Condensing the meaning of a statement down it it's bare bones to convey its meaning in an ironic or humerous way".

which why I didn't say "Here's a true quote from the CEO of linden labs, and here the citation info. where you can find it for yourself". Which is pretty much hat everyone here does when they are quoting LL staff directly.

Again, just sayin'

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