RC Questions

I'm not sure that's entirely fair nor a good analogy either. Regarding the meal comparison; I can refuse to paid for a bad meal but I'd like to see the hands of those who believe LL will refund anyone's money.

Two people here have stated that Ursula will not be able to support the numbers of those who will have to move and there were figures provided. Specifically clubs will no longer be able to function as they now do. I realize the numbers (5000 into 500) may not be exact so let's not argue over trite things.

If those numbers and what's been paraphrased from the Lindens are somewhat accurate then I'm amazed too particularly that some people keep saying lets see how this works out. If you can't have densely packed regions functionally working then trying it to see how it goes is like asking for a 4 sizes smaller dress and just hoping it will fit.

Unfortunately, It is not like we can go make ourselves a snack if the meal is unacceptable.

An invalid comparison. We aren't complaining about the subjective taste of a dish which can then be individually tailored to suit our needs. We are talking about the viability of a plan, whether it can possibly work or not, and what damage it will cause.

You may just as well say folks should get cancer before deciding it's bad for the health.

My suggestion to people who know they will be left behind....porn up your land now!
Without a doubt Ursula WILL be expensive lag or no lag.....If anyone needs some full perm *items* IM me and i'll send you a few free builds of mine.
It was my understanding they will check back one month to see what you have...there's still time before tickets open.

P.S. You can also sell my builds I don't care

If they cram all these clubs and all these stores into a handful of sims, there isn't the server on Earth that will be able to support all the customers necessary. Performance will be in the toilet, period. So yes, putting everyone who paid for product X and forcing them to accept product Y without negotiation or offer of a refund, with full foreknowledge that the sims cannot support the 100+ avatars necessary, is making this a very bad thing. It is a certainty that several adult clubs running on the same sim will crush the poor simulator - you can see it on mainland today in places which have a mere 2 clubs in them. Fill a sim with nothing but adult clubs, and nobody will be able to do anything at all, the lag will be so bad.

And since people are being forced to move, you can't say this is improving "choice" without having two faces and forked tongues.

Close but not quite. All mainland regions are on class 5 hosts - LL upgraded all the old mainland regions last year. Private islands still have a mix of class 4 and class 5 hosts. For the most part, any private island older than November 2006 is probably on a class 4 host.


Er.. Not sure I agree with those last 2.. A (theoretical) class 6 host could probably deal with the higher load than a class 5 could.


Yep.

I'd be more likely to believe this if the answer we got was something like "Yes. We thought of that and will keep adding regions until the speculators are tired of buying them and prices get reasonable."

That's not the answer we got, though. It was "land speculation is not illegal."

I find it hard not to be cynical and think about how much money LL stands to make once they start auctioning ursula regions, especially if they keep the supply even semi-low.

They said their estimate is around 70 sims.......ha...thats where they will stop no matter if there ARE more eligible people...me thinks of batting down the hatches before the storm hits...a BIG northeaster

It's not missing anything. The Lindens are giving us all the information that they think is pertinent and prudent to give us. Thus, we're analyzing what they are giving us and pointing out how it is all coming up so VERY short.



I don't find it amazing at all.

You're apparently missing the point. The PROBLEM is that it ISN'T very clear, but they are proceeding as if it were. The PROBLEM is that acting without a clear plan IS the cause of the ruin, thus makes the talking points valid AND accurate.

I don't need to wait until the meal is on the table when I can see what the cook is "dressing up" to serve. If you put dirt into the recipe, it likely won't turn out tasting like Filet Mignon, and who wants to wait to find out anyway?

I can't shake this eerie feeling that most of the ones who get to swap have already been picked AND know about it....hence Jacks comment about PEOPLE have asked for this...I wouldnt put it past SL

Cool. You give it a whack then. I'm worn out. :-/ I can't help but be emotional about this issue, so clearly I'm the wrong person to argue it.

It will also be in very limited supply compared to PG and Mature mainland, and future adult businesses will be required to build there, or on private islands.

That will either help drive up the cost of land on Ursula, or provide added incentive for people to open up mor private islands to rent to small adult businesses.

You saw what happened in Bay City and Nautilus, and what were they? Crappy double prim mainland. Why would anyone pay L$60,000 for a 1024 either place? People did. The requirement for use is going to help make Ursula a lot more attractive than either Nautilus or Bay City.

The last office hour I went to from the server folks stated that almost all Class 4s had been sunset about the middle of last year. I can't find the quote, but I remember it being said.

Daryth's Limbo region, which is the oldest in her estate (Jan 06), is running on Class 5 now, so that apparently isn't true anymore.



There's no indication an increase in server class / capacity would tempt LL to increase the avatar cap per region. They didn't do it when they went from 4s to 5s; likely it would not change going from 5s to 6s.

Also from chat logs with LL over performance issues, the differences between 4s and 5s were not very significant, perhaps on the order of 10-15% increase. The "theoretical" differences between 5s and 6s also are not likely to be that significant, either. Thus, doubling, tripling, quadrupling, etc the script load will not likely be mitigated by an increase in server performance class.

It is a mute (yes, I know; I use that word intentionally) point anyway, since there are no such things as "class 6" servers, nor are there likely to be before the dust settles from this wreck.

We know we will have to move as the title of the land is BDSM-Life which is part of the RL website, even our estate we had was BDSM-life. We haven't been told we are to move but if they let us stay on the mainland with our free bdsm area then everyone is safe and no we can't just change words because of the website being the same name lol

I am not a LL conspiracy theorist but no doubt some Linden friends etc. will be OK out of all this. Its a shame that LL does not make LL employees declare business interests in world, thats why imho its important that in certain cases, like the Meta Linden incident 2 years ago, the facts are made public.

But fingers crossed in case they let us stay as we are on the mainland for everyones sake

It is *already* affecting things in world. Don't have to wait to see what actions are being taken in preparation or to avoid running afoul of unclear rules.

Agreed, *if* they do that.

I didn't say it was, if you notice, but thanks for the insult.

There are two outcomes I admittedly visualize for. One is that Pornsylvania is a runaway success, and LL pays me royalties for the name if they use it. That it is a place where we all can do what we want, be it debauchery or just quietly playing house secure in the knowledge some random asshat won't drop a dime on us if we leave our toys out.

Hopefully people will be clamoring to get into the place in ways that will harked back to Studio 54. And that the sanitized mainland does become a land of tumbleweeds, corporate logos, and beige looking avatars shuffling around in their branded primwear, blankly staring, looking like the opening of "Joe vs the Volcano".

My evil side hopes that the mainland is as dscribed above, but LL bungles the Ursula Project do badly, that it too becomes empty and irelevant, and without it's income, SL gets the big Linden.

Really? Where have they said that? They have given an estimate on how many sims this move might need, OK - when did that turn into a "do no exceed number"?

Thank you Brenda, yes, there IS another side to this coin, which has been pretty much ignored in the threads. I feel there COULD be a very positive outcome to this, if LL manage it correctly and those people with adult businesses will have the value of their land increased significantly and have an audience who know what to expect, and don't force whimsical ARs on them.

I think this is just as viable a scenario as the "it's all going to hell" one that is more commonly laid out here.

Note, though, that I said "IF" LL manage this correctly. So far, this has been severely lacking.

FWIW: I thought your posts over there were quite constructive and did about as much good as it's possible to do with that readership. You certainly were much more patient than I could have been (and it's fortunate that I never quite pressed the Submit button on several not very productive drafts).

It's all about money and who knows whats decided behind closed doors...that was their estimate but could also be their ceiling for free swaps....."the most severly impacted" means it depends on what the Linden who is deciding mood is in.....key word being money.
I truly feel sorry for those who could be at work when tickets open up...it will be a stampede. MHO

jack said it in the press conference last friday. but he did say either then or at the open house that they would expand if necessary

The dichotomy is only perceived, not real.

The reason it is considered a "ghetto" is because of the forced segregation (and, yes, it IS forced; there's no option here), and the resulting problems from cramming the same category of content in the same place, making it much like a real-life ghetto.

That part is going to happen; we know that if this plan is going to move ahead.

The part which would help mitigate it is if the swap could be made an option for everyone. Then the "concentration camp" feel of the "ghetto" could be diluted so that it possibly could become a sustainable ecology of residents. However, if they allow the prices to go into the stratosphere with speculation, and constrict supply, maintaining it, then that cannot come to be.

That, coupled with the fact of people who didn't qualify for the "free swap" later being told that their content is now in violation and thus have to move to Ursula, braving the hideously inflated land prices, or just pick up their toys and log off of SL forever, are more likely to choose the latter, is the major issue that we're seeing and trying to get LL to recognize.



Not clamoring to "get into" a ghetto. Trying to prevent it from being one in the first place. There's an important difference.



I've never characterized it that way; that may be your take, but that's certainly not mine.

I claim mainland will become an EMPTY wasteland of abandoned land from people saying "screw this", unable to even GIVE away their land, because there will be so much of it on the market NOT selling.

I want Adult Content land for the same reason I wanted (and bought) Mature land; so I didn't have to deal with Nanny Linden telling me what I could and couldn't do on it. I don't want Adult Ghetto land.



I have no doubt the bean counters at LL saw that potentiality as a plus for the policy. The only problem is that, the higher the price, the less value you sell. Yeah, you may get 10x the price, but it won't be as much as 1/10th the quantity. Economists call that concept "economies of scale". It's also an adage "One makes more money selling many items at marginal profit than few items at hefty profit".



For some people, it may not be; but I would wager that, for the average resident, it will be pretty dismal.

Ah ok, so what has been actually SAID is that this is not a hard number. Thanks.

I completely agree, but will go even further. Even with massively poor management by the Lindens, which is basically a given ... this whole plan could just as easily be a huge success as an epic failure.

The large adult vendor I know, is very excited about this. Her simple thought, "Peeps are gonna have day porn.", has stuck in my head. She brought up another point, when she asked me how much my spending increased, after I got my charge card put on file.

I think there is still room to broker a better deal with the Lindens. There are clearly those that will be hurt by this, at least in the short term. These people need considerations. It's time to start working within the process for the betterment of all.