RC Questions

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At 1039hrs GMT +1

It's a lovely offer but no thanks. The only time I ever seem to be given a bear is when the Linden can't fix my problem and think they're being nice by giving me one. I grew out of stuffed toys as I approached teenagehood so they just clutter up already crowded inventories.

Blondin's on the other hand I have a use for. It will make a nice addition to my shop.

There was even an attempt to implement some of the necessary code in the viewer by one of the open sourcers (I don't recall if that was Argent or another). However, that was some years ago, and never really taken on board by LL.

Matthew

Flavorade.

Ignore the scanners. The only thing that actually matters is whether you can get into the Arapaima infohub.

Blondin, I am *still* encountering people who do not know about this or are on private islands and think it will not affect them at all. Or are your residents supposed to do that task for you? We have been spreading the word as much as we can, but you have the means (login screen, mass email) to reach *everyone*.

PS- yes, please add me to the queue of asking for the BBB

I'll tell you why not... I have over 300 avatars, built by dozens of different people, some of whom are no longer active in Second Life, or no longer making avatars, and none of whom are doing business in any other grids so far as I know. Unless I can legally carry all that inventory over to OpenLife (and I can't, and you know I can't) then no, I can't have that in OpenLife. Certainly not without spending hundreds of times as much as I'd be "saving" by spending less on land, even if you ignore the fact that I wouldn't be able to earn negotiable currency in OL and pay for my tier and avatar addiction from my in-world sales.
Of course that was a rhetorical question.

Tut-tut, they'll have to fix that before release.

LL are being sensible in not making a formal announcement yet since they haven't locked down the policy. At the moment people are upset and are making decisions based on supposition. This is not good.

My complaint is that when they do they just intend to put it in the blog and open up another thread here - *that* is completely unacceptable for such a major change as this is. Particularly when such a small minority of customers check the blog and an even infinitesimally smaller number come to the forums yet everyone will be affected by this one way or the other.

When they formally announce it they do need to put it on the login screen and have the blogs in all viewer languages. It escapes me why they think they can hide this and no one will notice.

An interesting proposal. I don't think it will help. The Lindens and some of the SL community obviously want rid of us. I wish SL just had the balls to throw all of the adult content out. See how many of the SL churches survive since most of those owners have a sex pad in the sky. Besides, my spending is SL is rather addictive in nature. My best bet is when I don't move. SL will take offense and something I do and ask me to leave.
BT

A discussion yesterday cast an interesting light on all this, which I thought might be worth sharing.

I was being given some feedback on a project, in which I've had some small involvement, to interest a large RL concern in using SL for delivering some employee training, parts of which would be instructor led in-world and parts self-paced.

The potential clients apparently liked the presentations and demonstrations they'd been given, but had two main reservations.

The first, and, to my mind, more serious, concern was that trainees would need to spend a perhaps-disproportionate amount of time just learning to move around and do stuff in-world before they got down to the matter in hand.

The other, relevant here, was about all the sex stuff.

The concern was not, of course, for people's moral well-being or fear of getting sued; it was that trainees, on learning to use the various search tools, would search for "sex" or "bdsm" or whatever, see the results and think "Ah, that looks more interesting than what I'm supposed to be doing," and TP off to investigate rather than concentrate on their training.

It occurs to me that LL may be trying to meet this -- not unreasonable -- concern by making it difficult for people to find such potentially distracting material. Seems a problem inherent in trying to market as a training or educational platform something that most of us use for entertainment, and it may be that this malarkey is a half-baked attempt to fix the problem.

I say, "half-baked" because not only do most of us use SL for entertainment; we make the place for entertainment -- that's the big attraction. The place is the result of what people actually want rather than what a game designer thinks they might want. And, of course, people's idea of entertainment and what looks more interesting than work extends further than sex places; my first port of call in SL was, in fact, not a BDSM sim but Caledon, because I'd heard and read about the place online and thought it sounded fascinating.

Remove or hide stuff people might find more interesting than work, and you rather take away the main selling point.

I'm sure it's not beyond human ingenuity to create controlled learning environments where such distractions won't present themselves -- offer, for example, special corporate and educational accounts where the avs' search and tp facilities are restricted so they aren't tempted by all the cool easter egg hunts and kiss a linden days they may see on the log-in screen, for example, and let firms and colleges make their folks log on on those when they attend courses or whatever.

But I suspect concerns about keeping students and employees away from tempting distractions, rather than protecting their moral welfare and delicate sensibilities, may be behind this project.

Which is of course silly. The whole point of SL is to be distracting, and interesting, you can't eliminate all the causes of distraction by eliminating just one of them.

They need to create a business grid-in-a-box product isolated from the SL grid.

That is probably true. It doesn't change the insulting, disenfranchising, disrespectful feel of this whole process.

This is perfect.

LL needs now only to give Ursula a separate entry for .edu, .com, .org folks.

There is also no need to show Ursula on the map.

It would show that LL is a solution provider.

BLONDIN LOOKIT THIS! IT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA!

Most of them buy private islands. They have no use for Ursula.

Exactly!

The game^H^H^H^Hworld designers may have had one thing in mind when they created SL, but SL's major constituents had something entirely different in mind. While SL's use as a business or educational tool is debatable, its use as entertainment is huge. Perhaps, rather than trying to chase rainbows, LL needs to embrace and expand on what they already have - a world full of creative people seeking entertainment and escape.

If LL absolutely *must* pursue elusive corporate and educational clients, then the best idea is to just create a separate, isolated grid for them. No sex, no griefers, no flying penises. Nothing but pristine ivory and marble as far as the eye can see. A safe, sterile environment for those entities who have no plans for interacting with or pitching to the grid's entertainment-seeking populace. Even NK would be happy with this solution, and the rest of us can carry on with entertaining each other in ways only true adults can.

The JIRA is at 2917 votes as of 6:19 am STL on Wednesday.

Well crap. I had it in mind to make a little "Rite of Passage" station that would tell residents what they needed to do to "become Adult." It would have little subparcels set for IDV-verified only, and for payment-info only, so folks could see if they could get into one or the other already, with some kind of info-giver to advise what steps they might take to gain Adult access either way.

Of course, as soon as I try this, I hit yet another brokenness in the age verification stuff: there's no working, supported way for a script to tell if a parcel is restricted to only IDV-verified, nor to only payment-info-verified. The internal hooks are documented, but they don't work.

For my dopey purposes I can just make it a constant, but one would be SOL if one's scripted content really needed to know whether a parcel had one or the other or both of these restrictions (you know: like to make things more predictable ).

So I updated and boosted priority on the jira: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3440.

(We are *so* not ready for this.)

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I absolutely agree with this - how about some Saturday office hours so that those of us who work full time jobs during the week and during the regular Linden office hours can actually voice our concerns and ask questions in person so to speak

*I* Am Adult Content - Sapphire Hissop

More specifically, one that has separate map, and separate search, but shared inventory, so that builders can port in their tools and textures and such. And probably a more secure communication channel, if you ever want to support business meetings. You sure would not want to find out that conference table has a listen script built in that's reporting everything said in the room.

Various comments on various subjects from various posters

Based on what I have read so far, I don't think that any system based on word lists is going to work - too easy to game, and very resource-intensive for LL to maintain, especially when we get into the various languages spoken by SL residents. Much better, in my opinion, is the JIRA that sets maturity rating of ads based on location.

See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4199 and vote for it if you agree, or state why you think it won't work in the comments.

I totally agree with you that this is purely a business decision - it's where they want to take their product. They haven't laid out their business plan for SL (and nor do they need to, in my opinion) but I am sure that they feel it's the direction they need to go, and are willing to take the losses of those who feel that SL is no longer for them.


At the time we signed up we got all sorts of stuff to read. At the time you signed up the information they gave you was accurate, and contained the standard disclaimer:
So in other words you agreed to this, including the part where they can change this at their whim. Now, whether you agree or not with the changes, I think you are going to have a VERY hard time making a case for fraud, here. But if you feel you do I suggest you stop making comments here and get in touch with a lawyer (who will tell you to stop talking about such legal issues on here).

I'm not even sure about that. A mirrored inventory, perhaps, like the Beta grid. So you can pull it in behind the firewall and block access to any public internet services and still have it working.

True. In this case LL can make a checkerboard-pattern from Ursula and they have nice islands However they like it to be happy. Islands, continent, continent and islands - Ursula is a flexible lady