RC Questions

Thx for you support Pho - and at the end of the day we will be ok, even if that means pulling up sticks and moving out to Open Life with a heavy recommendation our 3,000 + community / group do the same. I'd rather not because of all the time and effort we have invested in Second Life these last 2 years but if push comes to shove we're out.

When I first heard of the plan back in March unlike one significant contributor here who has 'grown' to approve it. I was skeptical but overall felt we would be fine UNTIL the day they let us hear those brown bags recording and it became clear that we were going to be dumped on from a great height with a huge dollop of 'don't give a shit' nothing that has been said by LL thereafter has given me the slightest sense of well being.

Linden Labs seems to have forgotten the little folks - the real majority who provide them with most of their bread and butter.

When we set up our kink friendly community it wasn't with wad of spare cash for an island. It was a tiny 512 parcel onto which we scraped and struggled to afford additional land around us in the same region, so that we could have enough prims to support our ramshackle badly built group clubhouse - which is second home to hundreds. And we positioned it there in mature land because right from the start we intended to build an adult community in fact 'community' was and still is more important to us than snugly fitting prims or wads-O-cash.

We now hold about half the region with various parcels throughout, it has an incomplete linden road right through the middle so that all our parcels aint even joined together. And a danged PG sim right next door. It's group owned land with deeded contributions from several of us. We need every single part of our meager holding no matter where it goes - but the way Jack and his cronies are talking we'll be dammed lucky if we can take a 1/3rd of the land to the ghetto, which means our group members will only be able to benefit from a third of the facilities they enjoy for free today. I feel sick to the back teeth about that!

Further more, because our complex is molded around the mountain side there is no way we can just mark and move the central structure - it's a rebuild of 2 years work - from scratch - all because some - brainiac - has some cockamamie idea about some impossible predictive experience.

We've never made any money from the project so we really don't stand to lose much revenue, but the splitting up of the community and the time it will take to rebuild leaves a bitter bitter taste in my mouth and I guess in many others too. We have struggled mostly to keep our head above water and provide a friendly minimal managed, prude free open kink environment. It works just fine and I'm fighting to keep it that way for all of us - and many other who to paraphrase Meta Linden have "still to discover us".

The LL adult content proposals are not only flawed they are an injustice and I happen to feel that whenever you see an injustice you have a duty to stand up and be counted and do your best to make sure it is righted.

^L^

Well, I don't know that those would still necessarily have to move to an Adult sim. Just because they are advertising their rental community, how would that be construed as adult? That would still go back to being a business, regardless.

And I already stated my huge doubt that LL can get such an argument of "Word of Mouth" to hold up in court, and yes that is where it would end up, believe me I still have my legal warchest ready for such challenges.



Another thing to debate on!

I made $700 US in the last six months being NPIOF. I only got PIOF in the last few weeks since all this nonsense blew up. Now I'm sorry I did. I feel like I've put my personal information in an unsafe place.

There are always exceptions, I agree. I probably should have said "they don't have the ability to buy any lindens". That would have been more along my actual intent.

Rethink that. My advance scout says OL is rated for 15 year olds and up and sex is not allowed.

Thats totally untrue, Darien, I know quite a few people who earn their money in game, and never put a penny in from outside. I know others for whom its not possible to get game money directly (lack of credit card), but gave a friend some cash and were given L$ in return.

That's not true either. I bought lindens on SLX and did not have payment info on file, no matter what LL says. The only way I could get them to change my designation was to fork over my CC number recently. Didn't want to, Shouldn't have had to.

Oi!


But yes, the whole thing is ridiculous. Aside from the somewhat sinister concept of placing the "undesirables" in one place which will make it far easier to eradicate them entirely when the time is right, the utter confusion as to what is allowed and where, what is a business and what is a home, forms of verification for adults on an 18+ grid who wish to engage in 18+ behaviour but not mandatory verification for all who *should* be 18+ anyway, the focus by LL and many on the forums on business rather than the everyday resident, the biggest single abomination in all this is most importantly the unwillingness of LL to properly announce this choosing instead to write a blog most won't bother with and one sided "debate" on forums vast numbers don't read.

Yes, I formed a chaotic sentence to raise these points as it seems somehow fitting in response to the issue at hand...

so what did you use to pay for those lindens if you didnt' have payment info?

I used paypal on SLX. I know, I know, they say that counts, but for me it didn't. I couldn't get validated even though I'd used paypal on SLX for months. After I handed over my CC, then it flipped over...but only after I had to nag someone at LL to check and be sure.

That is correct sex is only allowed on private islands when i was there last not on mainland.

Yes, I don't disagree with any of that. But LL has put us in a position where it's in everybody's best interest to recruit as many NPIOFs over to PIOFs as fast as possible. That may benefit LL, too, but it's make-or-break for Adult Content.

It's not about making a point, though, it's about survival of a whole class of SL creators. The rest of us have a choice: solidarity with those who are affected, or complicity in their destruction.

I propose that part of solidarity is making it a less comfortable choice, by refusing business to those who choose to keep a sub-Adult rating.

(Granted, it's easier on an Island where the owner only needs the gumption to flag it Adult and let the chips fall where they may. On the Mainland, who knows? LL may refuse to swap my smut parcels for Ursula, and then I'll have to come up with Plan B. If Ursula land ends up being prohibitively expensive then Mainland merchants who can't afford to do the right thing will have to make a difficult choice. I won't give up solidarity to make that choice easier for them--even if "them" turns out to be "us".)

Oh dear! looks like destiny is wander in the wilderness for the next 40 years looking for a safe sane and consensual haven

There is no reason you can't be Safe, Sane and Consensual in Second Life. There is nothing you won't be able to do that you can do now, save for having a few naughty words show up in search for all those people who don't want to see them.

It's advertised, and it contains adult content. Oh, well, I guess it's NOT just whether it's listed in search after all, hmmm?
If a RENTER is a BUSINESS then there's no build in SL that isn't a business.
Since you're in favor of this whole mess what does YOUR legal warchest have to do with anything?
Short debate, you just made the point for me.

What does it matter whether they have the ability to BUY Lindens? If they're your customers, you only care about their ability to SPEND Lindens.

Not true. You can be listed in search and not be "public" and you can be unlisted and not be "private". No matter how often you claim otherwise and wave your warchest at us you can't change the facts. If Nanny Linden on the G-Team says Joe Resident's build is public and adult, it doesn't matter if they're listed in search or not, they're out of there. No ifs, ands, or buts.

And if you're going to sue Linden Labs over Joe Resident, why haven't you tossed your warchest at them already over any of the other similarly daft decisions that have come out of the G-Team up to now?

The problem is account verified status not updating in world automatically. You often need to submit a ticket. Unfortunate there is NO proper ticket type for "Basic Accounts" for non working verification, and it say all other tickets will be rejected unread for "Basic Accounts.

However they seem to be accepting at least some tickets submitted under "Manual Verification" without submitting the proof asked for in the automated email that is sent in reply.

Simply state:
"I am already verified under the new rules but it is not working in world." "I have verified by <insert method used>." "The requested additional documentation is not required under the method I used" "Please help" "Thank you"

This has worked for several people I know.
I am not yet sure if this works for Xstreet.(tho it should apply)
It does work for improperly updating to PIOF or PIU & passed Aristotle not working in world. (Current "Paid Accounts" should be able to submit a non basic ticket)


Has anyone had success yet on a an Xsteet based verification?
(I have yet to test this method)
note: Time for ticket response varies greatly.


PS. Not that if you are paid it means it will work(it does seem to mostly tho), but then you can bug the Lindens in live chat if that happens!

This is an unsupportable assertion. I have a number of very active friends who pride themselves on making all their $L in-world. They range from designers to club owners and DJ's -- all NPIOF. Most people don't even think about making alts. I made my $L using Onrez before I ever verified. Then I put up vendors in a couple of places friends owned. Still NPIOF. I only went to PIOF when I wanted to actually get a bigger parcel I couldn't afford without dumping some $L into my account from outside. In fact, there are a number of ways you can get clothing and buy things using external services without ever giving LL your info.

Yes, I'm sure there are many who give their alts money from a PIOF main. But NPIOF for the alt means that they won't be able to access the adult content unless they verify. For some players with privacy concerns, they may just delete the alt -- which would probably reduce their spending on whatever.

IANAL.... But I am a Californian. I am not aware of any California State laws that this policy helps LL to come into compliance with that they aren't in compliance with already. IOW, this policy has absolutely nothing to do with California law. Have Atom produce some proof in the form of valid links to support his statement.

But it is. Someone having sex in their home is not adult content. so a rental community with someone havign sex in their home in it, isn't adult either.

Hey All,

Have you been missing me as much as I've been missing you?!?!?

I wanted to stop in and give a quick update.

1) I have to postpone my Office Hours this week until Thursday. Same time, different day.

2) There is going to be another in-world Brown Bag on the definitions sometime in the next week.

3) We're re-evaluating some of the flagged words. I think you'll be (relatively all things considered) happy.

4) Ilana made me an awesome Blondin Bondage Bear. Let me know if you want one!

I'll assume you skipped over my correction by accident

Not true Darien - were that the case I wouldn't be in such a belligerent mood - our 'explicit' facilities and events depend on advertising and promotion, it's not just a case of removing a few nawty words, and why the heck should we?. I assure you the only way we will survive is with a move to the accursed Ursula - (unless you want to throw some of that legal war chest our way so we can buy a private island) - we can't just let our whole complex sit there under the radar on mature mainland hoping that word of mouth alone will bring the right kind of guests our way especially as we are right next door top a PG sim and the G team scratching the ground with their heels getting ready to pounce. So no matter what way the cards fall our group like thousands of others are faced with massive disruptions and upset because of an ill conceived and badly executed plan.

^L^

Do I need Adult land if I want to have it out?