RC Questions

Why do you feel that they are obliged to gives us all the reasons why and the supporting facts? This isn't something that we decide - THEY do. That's why there won't be votes - that's why the forums posts weren't asking our opinions on things, they were asking how best to get them done, within the framework they laid out.

And everyone is surprised that LL didn't cater to every whim of everybody that ignored that? I mean, I understand everyone's outrage at this, but I also understand why LL don't have to engage us on that level.

One other comments about "all the NPIOFs" that are around - most people don't have any incentive to go PIOF right now - they can earn money in-world and spend it (or not). Thinking that all the current NPIOFs will not be able to enter the adult continent ignores one (in my opinion very likely) possibility - that now the NPIOFsa have a reason to go PIOF and access the continent - because they want to access the continent!

I think that one result of this will be that many go PIOF in SL, still without bringing any money into SL (they don't have to).

Yes there will be some that choose to stay NPIOF, either because they have no interest in Adult Content or because they don't wish to tie their SL information to a Credit Card, PayPal account or Verify through Artistotle. That latter is a shame, but please don't assume that all NPIOFs today will remain that way.

oh, goodie... another open house with a linden who doesn't answer questions, and scheduled for a time when we working folks are actually at work making money to pay for SL in the first place (though paying LL less than before the voidsim mess).

/me asks Darien a third time about population density and land speculators..

Well it seems that settings are now persistent for RC 1.23
The problem must have been server side since there has not been a client update.

Also I can no longer get to Arapaima on an unverified account,
I could previously.


(Personally tested. if anyone is getting different results please post)

This is what LL should be doing. Rather than forcing a badly thought out, flaw-ridden plan at the populous (and hiding it from most of them by not advertising it on the login page), they should listen to what we say, make some changes in order to minimize the pain and disruption and as a show of faith and trust in their own customer base, and STOP throwing the artillery of Lord High Emperor Fiat on us.

okay then. If they are simply doing business, then I shall treat it as a business.

Fact 1 - we were sold parcels that we were told -- in writing -- were acceptable for adult uses and businesses. Now they are changing the rules on us. In business, this is Bait and Switch and is against every Commercial Code on the books. You cannot sell a product then substitute another lesser product without the customer's acceptance, else you must refund the customers money. This is true even on the Internet.

Fact 2 - their effort is for naught if it doesn't accomplish their stated goals. We, the customers, have already explained over and over again why it will fail, how it will fail, and when it will fail. We've proven ourselves in the Voidsim debacle which fell apart just as we warned it would. So if we are saying that this half step doesn't succeed and offer ways to accomplish exactly what they say they want without pissing off 95% of the customers, they should listen.

Fact 3 - customers are already quitting over this, and abandoning their lands. And we haven't even started the actual move yet. If I was implementing a change to my business and such losses started with no gains to offset them, I'd rethink my plans. But hey, I'm a businessman and an engineer so I'm not prone to doing stupid stuff simply because it's my ball and I can do what I want with it.

Fact 4 - No company has lost touch with what it is selling and what its core business is and recovered from it. LL is doing just that. While other ways of making money with the tech exist, they do not all have to be crammed into the same Mainland or even the same grid. SL is a dreamland for entertainment and for folks to play in. There is naught wrong with that - game companies pull in billions on selling stuff more limited than SL. But if LL needlessly destroys the playground while putting in a mall, even though there's infinite other places to put it, then its their own fault the customers here for the playground take their wallets and go home.

I know this is suppose to be about the new viewer and rules but feel this needs to be reiterated.

Here is a list of links to help contact the proper authorities to pursue the possible criminal actions of Linden Labs. They have not, as of yet, set things in motion to file complaints in most jurisdictions. But the longer they postpone informing the masses, the more people they victimize. Once again, TOS is not a license to commit fraud.

Federal Trade Commission USA
http://www.ftc.gov/index.shtml

eConsumer.gov, international database to file a complaint, maintained by FTC. Also contains links to participating countries consumer protection authorities.
http://www.econsumer.gov/

Internet Crime Complaint Center
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

Federal Trade Commission, U.S.A.,
International agencies with cooperations agreements with the FTC.
http://www.ftc.gov/oia/agreements.shtm

ICPN, International Consumer Protection and Enforcement Network
http://www.icpen.org/about.htm
http://www.icpen.org/news.htm


I just checked land auctions and direct land sales, still nothing. Interesting behaviour for such a "HUGE" change.

interesting articles:
Better Business Bureau give SecondLife an F
http://www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisco/business-reviews/video-games-wholesale-and-manufacturers/linden-lab-in-san-francisco-ca-57373#govtaction

http://www.businessinsider.com/better-business-bureau-gives-second-life-an-f-2009-2

http://www.virtualworldsnews.com/2009/02/better-business-bureau-flunks-linden-linden-says-grade-is-outdated.html

Why Reuters left SecondLife
http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/11/why-reuters-left-second-life-and-how-linden-lab-can-fix-it

If the settings are server side, why can't we set them on our account profile via the web, why do we need a new client?

LL sure seems to do things the hard way.

I'm able to get to Arapaima with an unverified account in 1.23RC. I got a regular failed teleport instead of the message about content settings several times, but I made it in eventually.

It dumped me at another infohub when I logged back in saying my previous location wasn't available. I think it's more than SL is messed up this afternoon than they've actually fixed anything.

Approximately zero if they are smart enough to ask "how do I find X". If they are too dumb to ask, they are probably too dumb to use SL in general.

I've had to go and help merchants who have been around for a long time who have an awful lot of content yet didn't even know how to set a one prim vendor touch to buy.

I even came across one the other week that wasn't smart enough to read a notecard that was for them only and had objects embedded in it for their use only. So they pulled out the objects then put the full perm card in a vendor.


I still boggle at the basic lack of knowledge a lot of our fellow customers have.

Plenty of us have been asking for LL to give a little ground for weeks now, the concession they look like giving is more time to move which ignores so many of the problems.

I want to work with LL on this, but so far they're showing steadfast refusal to haggle.

On my thread here,https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=509309#509309

third page, Atom is saying that I am complaining needlessly, LL can do what it wants, and that they are only complying with California state law.

One is up for Debate, two is true, but is three true? Can anyone help me rebut this?

Wow-thanks for that link. If I'm reading that right Meta is claiming this is being done for the MILLIONS of potential new users. Millions!! What are they using in those corporate meetings? Whatever it is I want some.

The objective is one million concurrency. That means routinely having one million residents online at any given time on average.

the absence of 2,000 former sex businesses will not be even be noticed in those statistics.

However I'm pretty sure had Sexth Vader convinced Lewd to cum over to the cum side of the farce then the one million cum-currency could have been achieved much faster.

The currently being tested new maturity level filtered search has a very limited usefulness when actually searching for something.

It also seems to be not working quite as intended.
(note: test from RC 1.23 viewer)

It only searches by Parcel Type, while this is useful in keeping people form going to parcel types above the maturity level they have selected and are approved for it is of very limited use in actually sorting results in a useful way beyond this initial sorting.

Current implementation of this sorts as such:
(*assuming improperly flagged/listed adds are eliminated)
PG = returns pg results on PG land & "Mature land"is this working properly)
Mature = returns Mature and PG results on Mature land
Adult = returns Adult Mature & PG results on Adult land(hard to test at this point)


*I am currently finding all sorts of content even Free Sex places when searching PG only. (obviously something is broken)(tho you can not use the filtered words)
Also. Are Mature locations suppose to show up on PG search?


Usefulness:
Assuming this will be implemented and fixed as intended by LL
we still need a contextual search on top of it,
other wise its only use will be sorting results by parcel type,
useful for that function but not useful for finding what you want.

3 concessions so far:

1: no dual tier during the changeover period
2: more than 9 days (although yet to be disclosed just how much more than 9 days)
3: we can keep the old mainland if we're prepared to pay any increase in tier it brings. (this is actually a win for them more than for us).


and maybe a 4th.. they're talking about looking at ways to make the physical move easier but of course absolutely nothing even flimsy has been reported on that front so far..

I suspect the biggest problems with that are technical rather than social.

Randomly ask people? Some terms will be more obvious then others, why should people automatically assume they would need to. They may simply assume it is only available in adult land or to adult accounts(verified). I sell to dumb people to, their money is just as good.

there's probably around 14 million (not excluding alts here) people who have set up an account and never become active. Something like a 90%+ failure rate. even if they convert an extra 10% of the failures then they're on their way to at least doubling their user base which currently stands at around 1.5 million unique logons every 60 days.

the figures are rubbery of course because sl no longer seem to provide overall stats.

I found this while i was looking for some figures: http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/scitech/2009/04/21/D97N9FGG0_us_tec_techbit_second_life_changes/

just thought I'd post it out of interest.

They cannot even keep the grid running with 80,000 on it. And businesses tend to avoid having anything to do with companies that use bait-and-switch tactics like LL does (voidSim and mature-sim hijacking). The only way my division will have anything to do with SL now is if I'm fired - if LL cannot be square with its current customers, then why should I expect better in the future?

Why does it not show verification status on our account page, and method?

like such:
Verified - Yes
Method - PIU

Verified - yes
Method - Aristotle

Verified - No
Method - NA

etc.

Why doesn't the account page and Knowledgebase direct people to alternate methods of verifying?

My friend -- well, my friend and I, 'cos I have an interest in this particular business of hers, though she's the main creative force -- are planning on running two stores, too, on on mature and one on adult land, though in order to maximise our potential market. And, like you, we can afford to take on an extra shop and run one -- maybe both -- at a loss for a bit while we see how things work out.

But I'm not sure that people like you and me, who do have the financial resources for this sort of thing, should be too quick to tell someone who's not in so fortunate a financial position that they should go through all the upheaval of closing a mainland store and finding somewhere on Adult land, with all the inconveniences this involves, at their own expense -- because LL certainly won't move them to Ursula for free if they're selling hairs or shoes or cars -- in order to make a point.

Two of these Useless Characters are mine. I created them and entered to see what all the fuss was about. First one I couldn't do squat because my computer was not up to the task. The second one I dropped because I was unable to find anything worthwhile to do after several days of looking. Outlawing the porn houses and restricting the search will not change any of that - I quit because I couldn't find anything fun to do.

What got me to stay was the ability to make my own stuff and play in it with other friends. I had a guide for a couple days and got some basic questions answered. Once I was shown the ropes, I was hooked and started making my own fun which I then shared with others. But if SL isn't going to bother putting up signs in the welcome center that can teleport the new characters to newbie areas for Mechwarrior, Roman colliseum, old west roleplay, Bloodlines, Gor or whatever else the newcomer may find interesting and fun, 1e6 is a ridiculous number to shoot for, sex or no sex.

Items check as show on search do not bring up places on the places tab.
they do however bring up places when searching places under ALL.

Is this recent behavior?
I seem to remember it working differently at some point.