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Tcko Cazalet
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05-04-2009 13:29
From: Couldbe Yue i got this down in an email
when i got there his post was there but i couldn't access the attachment.
I've just gone back and now the post has been deleted too Scenario Blondin: talking to lawyer...Ive finished the list can you check it before I post it? Lawyer: sure....looks fine go ahead Lawyer: double checks post...oh shit Blondin...pull this, it's all wrong they will sue our BLEEPING donkeys off....Blondin?...did someone change your meds?
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Couldbe Yue
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05-04-2009 13:29
From: Thorn Witrial Okay yeah. Earlier today when I updated the JIRA vote tally on a post in the Xstreet forum, I mentioned that, right over where the comments started, there was now an added list that linked to the SLapt wiki with the filtered words list. Now I look again and it's gone. I think Blondin deleted it from the JIRA like how he went on the SL wiki and took down the list. ahhh the penny drops.. he went into delete it huh? crafty sod. never mind, he invited us all to his next open house on wednesday - I think it's time to pay him a visit.. eta.. someone gave a me a hud that you can search for a linden and it gives you the list of their office hours.. if any one wants it, drop me a note inworld and I'll send it over.
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Lord Sullivan
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05-04-2009 13:31
From: Couldbe Yue i got this down in an email
when i got there his post was there but i couldn't access the attachment.
I've just gone back and now the post has been deleted too lol well thats in keeping with Blondins deleting things at least people are working on and testing words for the slapt.me wiki so we should in time have a workable list and maybe LL will post the list as we are already compiling one and save everyone the time  EDIT From: someone Blondin Linden commented on SVC-4149: -------------------------------------
Hey All,
Daniel posted a list of words, and like the ones on the wiki, I had to take it down. Daniel - maybe you could post a link to the website that Lord Sullivan has created and point people to that.
Sorry for the inconvenience
Blondin I apologize Blondin for assuming to fast and the adult keyword list is at http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_KeywordsFor those that wish to continue to help to compile it 
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Meade Paravane
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05-04-2009 13:33
From: Darien Caldwell Oh I agree. I keep trying to stop, but when I see some yahoo replying to my posts and making derogartory remarks while simultaneously making misleading statements, it's hard for me to let that slide (and I don't mean you). But I'll stop. Yeah. I think that's why people keep responding to your posts.
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Felix Oxide
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05-04-2009 14:00
I tried to ask some more questions about the new policies via a support ticket and got sent back here for those. They really need a more direct line to those in charge of this for those affected by these new policies.
Also what percentage of the population is NPIOF?
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Couldbe Yue
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05-04-2009 14:10
From: Felix Oxide I tried to ask some more questions about the new policies via a support ticket and got sent back here for those. They really need a more direct line to those in charge of this for those affected by these new policies. lol very orwelliian, since this thread isn't supposed to be about answering policy questions From: Felix Oxide Also what percentage of the population is NPIOF? of the total population including dud accounts - some fantatic amount of the active accounts, no one really knows, we only have info from merchants who have a scanner checking who turns up. Depends on what kind of business you are as to how many you have. I have a steady 40% npiof come through my doors. numbers are meaningless though. because we don't have enough basic information about accounts to be able to produce any meaningful analysis
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Lord Sullivan
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05-04-2009 14:10
From: Felix Oxide I tried to ask some more questions about the new policies via a support ticket and got sent back here for those. They really need a more direct line to those in charge of this for those affected by these new policies.
Also what percentage of the population is NPIOF? here is a handy site http://obijan.com/slstats/report_av.phpand as Couldbe my wife did a check by hand on all her sales over 2 months and it came out about 40% NPIOF purchased goods from her store
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Wynochee LeShelle
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05-04-2009 14:13
From: Darien Caldwell Well, that is a good example of why this is happening. People's ideas of what is tasteful, acceptable, and proper, and what is not, varies greatly. I'm not about to go into details of what I think goes to far, but I'll simply say i've seen things in SL that made my skin crawl. And I'm a pretty open-minded person. Everyone has limits to what they are comfortable with, that is the one universal. It is not what you thought you had seen. This blood in Hollywood is even only Heinz Ketchup. And maybe buy a modern screen. If you turn your screen 90° you will have a complete new impression, it is then a Picasso. In any case, there is nothing harmful. Just colors and an alphabet. Colors are harmless. Alphabets too. The authors of color-compositions and arrangements of the alphabet are not responsible for things *you want to see in their creations*. It is all an illusion. Do you feel fear, when you see compositions made of abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz? Or do you feel fear if you see red-green-blue? Try to recognize that you are sitting in your own room. Look a bit at your nice interior at home, if you are afraid to see what is on your screen. Meditate over the vocable: Fata Morgana. It helps. Really. Edit add: hmm, but to be safe: make sure that there is no monster under your bed...
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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Humm
05-04-2009 14:15
All we can hope is that things wont be as bad as we fear, maybe they won't be, maybe all this is, is a money making scheme it would be ncie if LL did make the adault grid maybe they are going to seperate the adult grid entirely. Make a red Light SL or something and main will become PG word maybe?! I dunno just one idea. If they are planning on getting rid of teen grid, why not?!
Anyway I don't have any monetary stakes in this, I am opposed to this because I know what can happen with these kind of things, what seems to be happening is LL are going way too far with things, they are solving the problem with a hammer, when a screwdriver would do.
Far as I can tell LL are trying to become the visual AOL. All sinse a ex AOL manager got in control of it all, odd no?
P.S the one good thing is all this is still in a beta stage the rules may change things may change for the better, we don't know. all we can do is hope ive protested all I can, and again underlining on the implimentation not the effect. Most internet places do have adult seperated from the rest, so on that parts is logical SL would to, its how they seem at this point to be doing it I and the others are so opposed to.
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Felix Oxide
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05-04-2009 14:16
Thanks for that. If that is indeed even close to accurate, the impact of this policy is going to be really bad unless LL makes some changes to this. I cannot look at those numbers without wondering WTH these people who say "it is going to be okay" are drinking.
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Kira Welty
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05-04-2009 14:18
If this was just about search then the simple solution would be to limit ads to the parcel maturity level, PG=PG ads,Mature=Mature ads, Adult=Adult ads. Enforce that, and forget the filtering. Of course if enforcement was done before, this might not be an issue at all. These levels should also extend to XstreetSL, or SL should follow the current methodology of XstreetSL.
The land swap to Ursula should be open to anyone who wants it, regardless of residential, business or otherwise. Everyone should have an opportunity to trade prior to any land being sold or auctioned off, simply to defer the land baron extortionist practices.
PG mainland sims should be separated from mature mainland sims.
A viable, accurate, trustworthy and international age verification service should be used so anyone without a CC or access to Paypal can be verified.
Newbie hubs should be policed by either mentors with power to enforce or by the G-team 24/7.
Information about the maturity levels and adult access should be available in newbie hubs, maybe not excessive "how to get porn!" but a sedate "How to customize your SL experience."
The problems I foresee relate to mixed use sims and mixed content stores, these are the ones that are truly going to have to most hardships going forward. Builds and dreams moving to Ursula will be the short term problems.
KB6010 needs to be updated ASAP to reflect what was said by Blondin and other LL company representatives. Also it should be translated into the major languages of all residents in SL.
Above all LL has to make an honest effort to notify all residents of all nationalities and languages on the login notice about these changes. The sooner everyone knows about these changes and has accurate information about them the less hysteria and rumors will escalate as they have.
Those of us running adult or mixed content stores need simple facts so we can plan, I've had to put on hold numerous business plans (read spend $ LL) until I know what will transpire and how.
I understand that these changes were pretty much inevitable with free accounts and the merging of the teen grid.
I oppose the plan as stated though LL's actions and official statements. Comments from Meta, Jack, Blondin and other Lindens have reduced my trust in them and this plan to almost zero.
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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05-04-2009 14:22
From: Kira Welty If this was just...
what she said 
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-04-2009 14:29
From: Darien Caldwell But Really, There's nothing to debate. LL does what LL wants, LL does it how they want, LL does it when they want, So what is there to debate really? Who's opinion matters more?  "LL does what it wants" sends a different message than "LL is doing the right thing". From: someone One of the basic rules of hiking is, You expend more effort climbing up or over something than you do going around it. But you get a better view from the top of the hill!
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Katheryne Helendale
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05-04-2009 14:29
From: Kara Spengler [Psst .... lookup 'Godwin'] While I admit all of these threads have been sufficiently Godwined, I also believe there is merit to the references being made. True, what is happening in SL can in no way ever compare to the real-life atrocities inflicted during the Holocaust; however, rather than compare the acts, how about we focus on the thought processes that led up to those acts. I think you'll find them eerily similar.
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Thorn Witrial
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05-04-2009 14:29
From: Kira Welty If this was . BRILLIANT Kira. May I copy/paste this onto a notecard to hand out to Lindens and people who ask what other options there are to just letting this boneheaded plan roll us over?
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Kira Welty
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05-04-2009 14:37
From: Thorn Witrial BRILLIANT Kira. May I copy/paste this onto a notecard to hand out to Lindens and people who ask what other options there are to just letting this boneheaded plan roll us over? to quote Blondin in a much clearer way: "Yes"
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Wynochee LeShelle
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Look at this, Linden Research, Inc.
05-04-2009 14:41
From: Kira Welty If this was just about search then the simple solution would be to limit ads to the parcel maturity level, PG=PG ads,Mature=Mature ads, Adult=Adult ads. Enforce that, and forget the filtering. Of course if enforcement was done before, this might not be an issue at all. These levels should also extend to XstreetSL, or SL should follow the current methodology of XstreetSL.
The land swap to Ursula should be open to anyone who wants it, regardless of residential, business or otherwise. Everyone should have an opportunity to trade prior to any land being sold or auctioned off, simply to defer the land baron extortionist practices.
PG mainland sims should be separated from mature mainland sims.
A viable, accurate, trustworthy and international age verification service should be used so anyone without a CC or access to Paypal can be verified.
Newbie hubs should be policed by either mentors with power to enforce or by the G-team 24/7.
Information about the maturity levels and adult access should be available in newbie hubs, maybe not excessive "how to get porn!" but a sedate "How to customize your SL experience."
The problems I foresee relate to mixed use sims and mixed content stores, these are the ones that are truly going to have to most hardships going forward. Builds and dreams moving to Ursula will be the short term problems.
KB6010 needs to be updated ASAP to reflect what was said by Blondin and other LL company representatives. Also it should be translated into the major languages of all residents in SL.
Above all LL has to make an honest effort to notify all residents of all nationalities and languages on the login notice about these changes. The sooner everyone knows about these changes and has accurate information about them the less hysteria and rumors will escalate as they have.
Those of us running adult or mixed content stores need simple facts so we can plan, I've had to put on hold numerous business plans (read spend $ LL) until I know what will transpire and how.
I understand that these changes were pretty much inevitable with free accounts and the merging of the teen grid.
I oppose the plan as stated though LL's actions and official statements. Comments from Meta, Jack, Blondin and other Lindens have reduced my trust in them and this plan to almost zero. This is kognitive athletic, Lindens. Take that as motivation to do a daily training with it, to become similar mind athletic. This quoted text above is original IQ driven and provides proof of EQ additional.
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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05-04-2009 14:48
From: Kira Welty If this was just about search then the simple solution would be to limit ads to the parcel maturity level, PG=PG ads,Mature=Mature ads, Adult=Adult ads. Enforce that, and forget the filtering. Of course if enforcement was done before, this might not be an issue at all. These levels should also extend to XstreetSL, or SL should follow the current methodology of XstreetSL.
The land swap to Ursula should be open to anyone who wants it, regardless of residential, business or otherwise. Everyone should have an opportunity to trade prior to any land being sold or auctioned off, simply to defer the land baron extortionist practices.
PG mainland sims should be separated from mature mainland sims.
A viable, accurate, trustworthy and international age verification service should be used so anyone without a CC or access to Paypal can be verified.
Newbie hubs should be policed by either mentors with power to enforce or by the G-team 24/7.
Information about the maturity levels and adult access should be available in newbie hubs, maybe not excessive "how to get porn!" but a sedate "How to customize your SL experience."
The problems I foresee relate to mixed use sims and mixed content stores, these are the ones that are truly going to have to most hardships going forward. Builds and dreams moving to Ursula will be the short term problems.
KB6010 needs to be updated ASAP to reflect what was said by Blondin and other LL company representatives. Also it should be translated into the major languages of all residents in SL.
Above all LL has to make an honest effort to notify all residents of all nationalities and languages on the login notice about these changes. The sooner everyone knows about these changes and has accurate information about them the less hysteria and rumors will escalate as they have.
Those of us running adult or mixed content stores need simple facts so we can plan, I've had to put on hold numerous business plans (read spend $ LL) until I know what will transpire and how.
I understand that these changes were pretty much inevitable with free accounts and the merging of the teen grid.
I oppose the plan as stated though LL's actions and official statements. Comments from Meta, Jack, Blondin and other Lindens have reduced my trust in them and this plan to almost zero. I agree with it all but please do not give mentors these powers at newbie hubs as that would open another whole can of worms, Lindens should police the grid I would not want to see wannabe Lindens doing their job for them, based on some of the mentor chat I see daily 
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Hanspeter Gelles
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05-04-2009 15:05
From: Tcko Cazalet I think SL is having some major problems trying to get this thing going....3 weeks ago there were 294 sims in Ursula...40 disappeared overnite.....now with the major problems with the viewer I have a feeling this is gonna be one long hard ride and maybe just maybe they cant fix it. They are trying to do too much in a short while... sooo we wait Does Ursula already exist? Can we visit it in-world? Hans.
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Valentine Young
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05-04-2009 15:09
From: Felix Oxide I tried to ask some more questions about the new policies via a support ticket and got sent back here for those. They really need a more direct line to those in charge of this for those affected by these new policies.
Also what percentage of the population is NPIOF? a high percentage http://obijan.com/slstats/report_av.php?reportnum=75Stats: Payment status Overview of how many people have what payment status. Payment status Count Freebie 3399691 -- 86% Verified 172054 -- 4% Payment used 279518 -- 7% Lifetime account 98342 -- 2% Stats: Region Ratings Rating Instances none 4 U 5 PG 4013 Mature 16897 and the Linden family is at http://obijan.com/slstats/report_av.php?reportnum=71
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Lord Sullivan
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05-04-2009 15:10
From: Hanspeter Gelles Does Ursula already exist? Can we visit it in-world?
Hans. Yes and No apart from the safe hub they have just outside of Ursula, Just search on the map 
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Vania Chaplin
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05-04-2009 15:12
You can see it here: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ursula%20128/128/128But it is not open to visit yet. But you can go to Arapaima, the infohub for Ursula: http://slurl.com/secondlife/arapaima/128/128
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Couldbe Yue
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05-04-2009 15:13
From: Valentine Young a high percentage http://obijan.com/slstats/report_av.php?reportnum=75Stats: Payment status Overview of how many people have what payment status. Payment status Count Freebie 3399691 -- 86% Verified 172054 -- 4% Payment used 279518 -- 7% Lifetime account 98342 -- 2% Stats: Region Ratings Rating Instances 4 U 5 PG 4013 Mature 16897 bearing in mind that this only refers to less than 4 million accounts and at last count there was something like 16 million accounts I think. you need to treat these figures with a large pinch of salt - without knowing the date they were obtained nor what criteria they used to extract the data makes them suspect.
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Deltango Vale
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My Two Cents
05-04-2009 15:21
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Ciaran Laval
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05-04-2009 15:23
From: Darien Caldwell I love how everyone loves to generalize and say how *bad* all this will be, but can't offer a shred of proof to substantiate these claims. They go on about how *bad* the plan is, but can't produce a viable alternative (where's the wiki page for that?). I don't know if it's truly an inability to understand and see the big picture, or just that they can't even fathom when a favor is being done for them. You need to separate the concept from the plan. Most people would agree that PG search shouldn't be full of profanity. I have no objection at all to LL building an adult continent that allows more liberal advertising and clamping down on those breaching existing community standards. However to say there haven't been viable alternatives is pretty damn close to poppycock. Building a PG continent is a viable alternative. PG land should not be next to mature land, it's a problem and has been a problem for some time. There's nothing predictable about having a PG parcel next to mature sim, I've been there, I won't do it again. Asking that private islands are allowed parcel level restrictions on the proviso that explicit content meets current community standards, for example it's indoors and the parcel name and description isn't full of explicit terms is a viable alternative. Suggesting that such adult parcels require a landing point outside the main action is a viable alternative. Asking that search doesn't filter terms such as BDSM, Sex or Gorean as adult is asking not only for a sensible solution, but for the solution that LL themselves were said to be offering when they said this policy isn't about preventing sex beds being sold on mature parcels. From: Darien Caldwell I can't even debate the issue with anyone here, you're too deep into your mindset that this is all bad and wrong. So I won't try. But the rest of us, the majority, understand that this is necessary and won't really affect most people. Most people don'' list their land in search, most people don't have offensive content on mainland, most people will go on with their lives and nothing will change for them.
But yes, some made all the wrong choices, and will suffer for them. That's life. In its present form Darien this plan will affect a hell of a lot of people. Yesterday via the RC viewer I set a classified advert for land rental on mature mainland. I have a choice of how to flag this advert, I can flag it as PG or Mature, now which box should I tick bearing in mind that whichever box I tick restricts my reach, I mean there's not even a PG/Mature option. That's going to cause problems.
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