RC Questions

That's not uncommon. Well, the vote count is uncommon but it's not uncommon for issues there to be unassigned.

Internally, they work off a different JIRA that we don't have access to.

Oh please don't get me wrong - I have spent tens of thousands of Lindens in-world, over the years maybe more. My point was just to say that this is our CHOICE. You don't HAVE to pay a fee to anyone to be in-world, which is what was being (possibly deliberately) misinterpreted here - was just trying to clear that up.

Actually LL will enable CC transactions in world and drop the Lindex and L$ currency.

That should shred the Second Life sails for sure.

O.O do you have data on this or is it a guess?

Just speculation lol. No need to light your hair an fire and go running amok screaming ZOMG OMGZ! lol.

But for those who actually think LL hates us and is trying to kill Second Life well why haven't they just nailed the coffin lid shut with something like that?

All is not lost. There is an opportunity behind every storm cloud. But me dinghy is leakin and inae sure i kin weather the storm.

LOL speculation can be an interesting exercise, i certainly don't think LL hates us, I think they are blinkered in this course of action but as none of us are privy to their long term plans all we can do is speculate based on their track record

I do not think they want to ruin SL how ever their short sightedness imo will cause them problems as they try to do world wide business applying USA rules and laws across the board and ignoring the amazing think tank they have with the customers who the majority want SL to succeed as that should be good for all of us.

I just think they need to get rid of (M)uppet Linden at the helm and get this ship back on course for all the customers

Neither do I but the lack of any response about the way most people feel about this project is.. ah.. what's the word?.. contemptuous? condescending?

It's difficult not to speculate on why they are acting the way they are. At least for me, the list of possible reasons doesn't include many that cast LL in a favorable light.

I think SL is having some major problems trying to get this thing going....3 weeks ago there were 294 sims in Ursula...40 disappeared overnite.....now with the major problems with the viewer I have a feeling this is gonna be one long hard ride and maybe just maybe they cant fix it.
They are trying to do too much in a short while... sooo we wait

I love how everyone loves to generalize and say how *bad* all this will be, but can't offer a shred of proof to substantiate these claims. They go on about how *bad* the plan is, but can't produce a viable alternative (where's the wiki page for that?). I don't know if it's truly an inability to understand and see the big picture, or just that they can't even fathom when a favor is being done for them.

I can't even debate the issue with anyone here, you're too deep into your mindset that this is all bad and wrong. So I won't try. But the rest of us, the majority, understand that this is necessary and won't really affect most people. Most people don'' list their land in search, most people don't have offensive content on mainland, most people will go on with their lives and nothing will change for them.

But yes, some made all the wrong choices, and will suffer for them. That's life.

You're right about the aymmetry. But I don't know that I agree that LL's purpose with the rules is to limit demand for Adult sims. The fact is there are many Mature sims which will have to flag adult for minor reasons, even though their content isn't extreme (mine for instance). It does certainly force a choice, because many (and I'm just as guilty) refused to make such choices on their own. I think a lot of the anger is misdirected. We all bear some responsibility for creating the conditions that led to this.

Whether it was mis-keywording, Improperly using the land rating, constantly pushing the envelope of what is tasteful, or any other multitude of reasons, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. I dare some of the people in this thread to really think on that.

*blinks* Please tell me you are joking?

Solutions have been discussed multiple times in the various threads on this. Exact problems have been detailed (like the logistics of how to move a sim-sized build). The non-linden wiki page is at http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Main_Page as relevant pages at wiki.secondlife.com have a habit of being deleted (yes, we got a quote that Blondin deleted a page rather than fix an inaccuracy). There are several inworld groups distributing the essential information and outlining the issues.

Or do you know all that and are just trolling?

I don't believe Covenants are in search. Words aren't forbidden, anyway. There is no word ban. There is filtering in search, and that is all. You can tick adult and search all the naughty words you want. You can also use them on your covenant, in any way you wish, however, I don't even see anything remotely objectionable in that above paragraph. So what is your worry?

You just described LL's plan to a tee, Unless you can explain how it's different.

EDIT: I went to read the RC which was a bit clearer. It won't work because the naughty search terms would still show up in search. Understand people, this is at the core about cleaning up search, pure and simple. People want to feel warm and fuzzy knowing if they put in cock, nothing will come back. Because we all know thats what kids do, search for stuff they shouldn't. *waits for the complaints about how kids aren't supposed to be in SL, and smiles*

Meade, I can' hardly call 300 + odd pages of forum thread "lack of response" I don't think I've seen a Linden answer more questions since the days of the "Ask Linden Lab" forum.

Just because nobody here liked the answers doesn't constitute lack of response.

There have been plenty of viable alternatives for many specific issues that have been raised with the plan. The fact that you, personally, don't consider these viable alternatives doesn't mean that they're not viable, it just means that you have a problem with them.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205

You broke off discussion about this and similar schemes, after claiming that they were inherently unworkable, on the basis that you couldn't find anyone interested in actually discussing things.

"I’m not surprised to see you haven’t thought it through enough
You never had the head for all that bigger picture stuff
But, Tom, that’s what I do, and I plan on eating you slowly

All we want to do is eat your brains
We’re not unreasonable; I mean, no one’s gonna eat your eyes
All we want to do is eat your brains
We’re at an impasse here; maybe we should compromise:
If you open up the doors
We’ll all come inside and eat your brains" -- Jonathan Coulton, "Re: your brains".

Sure you can. There's plenty of people who are not fighting the plan but trying to get it clearly specified and details spelled out far enough in advance that people can make plans.

Oh, there you go again.

Blondin has said that "word of mouth" might be considered advertising.
Better relabel your "beer" on PG land as "Lemonade".

People who made the correct choices based on the definitions that existed last year, are now people who made wrong choices. I'll bet we were always at war with Oceania too!

You disagree with the issues people have raised about the performance of Ursula regions and the effect land speculators will have there?

A number of clubs have also reported that about 60% of their traffic is NPIOF. Are you saying that that is not a valid concern to people who will be required to move somewhere that NPIOF residents won't be able to get to?

I don't see anything in the Terms of Service saying that you're only allowed to build stuff that's "tasteful".

So I can abuse-report people who set full-bright on entire buildings?

Cool!

I am not everyone so try not to generalize to much Many viable alternatives have been suggested through the countless postings and at the Brownbag meetings but LL doesn't listen to anyone, I wonder why they even ask for input when they are obviously not going to use it lol



With a sim on the mainland the move will do me well I am sure as the value of my land holdings just went up by 10 times at a guess maybe even more if I want to sell it when i move to the adult land as i can scale back to mature afterwards if I need to but until after the move we will continue the adult sim as it is, to be included in the free move. I will do the re thinking afterwards



I am one that says lets wait and see what the impact is over time because as you said at the beginning everyone loves to generalize and you are doing the same by saying "the rest of us, the majority", have we had elections for spokespersons on each side lol

Please point to a Linden response that shows LL has any idea, any idea at all, that residents may not be totally happy with this project.

Even if the goal is laudible (subject to opinion) the approach being forced on us all (yes forced) is not. We bought Mature land which we were told -- in writing -- may be used for adult businesses. Now LL changed the rules and expects all of us to abandon what we've built over several years and build again in Ursula... as long as you're one of the ones LL taps to move. The rest of us who aren't on the LL buddy list? We stay put, and if we get ONE AR from a griefer or prude, then WE have to pay to go to Ursula on our own dime. All for a PR effort that doesn't benefit us. In short, why should we pay out the ass because LL doesn't know how to run the grid?

And the kicker is, this won't work in the slightest. Protect kids? They'll still see people banging away in private homes just by camming. Restricted Search in the Viewer? Defeatable by using opensource viewers, or a crack program that enables Adult in any viewer. And Blondin's answer to the cries of "unfair" is to tell people to game the system, thus leading to people coming to what they think are PG stores and finding X material. Hardly a "predictable" or safe experience at all. So if the stated goals are provably demonstrated to be unmeetable, why continue?

The solution is to have the new continent be squeaky clean and G rated with any sexual activity banned outright. Nobody will be bothered by that because nobody is there yet. Make this the entrance for all new users and prevent them from leaving until they verify in some way that actually functions (unlike today's solutions.) The reporters coming in for the day will see nothing bad at all. And even kids will be safe in these conditions. We have offered this simpler and cheaper solution to fix LL's PR problem time and time again. So do NOT say we are only complaining - we are customers trying to fix a severe problem in upcoming changes, just like we tried with the Voidsims debacle.

I am here to play. I am not here to pay M to recreate Disneyworld at my expense. If he wants to tell me what words I may or may not say on my own sim, then he can have the sim back because I'll have nothing to do with such unAmerican censorship, no matter who owns what.

We're waiting for the substance of those responses show up in an official document so we know that the G-Team will follow those guidelines, rather than those set by someone like N- K-.

There were some very good responses, and yet when they updated KB6010 there was no indication that any of those responses actually represented Linden Lab's plans and goals.

Those of us who DID like some of the answers saw KB6010 as a kick in the teeth.

The fact that 'moving a build is hard' is not even beginning to be bad enough to block this whole plan. Are you serious with that answer? That's like saying The whole logging industry should shut down to save an owl. Please tell me you're not one of those people lol.

I know there are groups discussing this matter, but all of them are rather much like this thread, people just going off half cocked, bad facts, exaggerating the issue beyond what the real effect will be, and talking it down without giving any viable alternative, because they know, deep down, there is none. It's incredibly unproductive and fruitless. So yes, perhaps I'm getting to the point where I'm getting 'trollish' in that I don't agree one bit with the circus being put on here. People need to a serious 'time out' and to get their head on straight. I was mad at first too, but once I sat down and seriously examined the plan, examined the issues, and worked out the actual implications, well, Here I am being the 'rational' one. That's a little scary!

blondin has posted an attachment that contains the search filter list to the jira, but i don't know how to get to it!!


http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel

YOu're joking right? I think Blondin may have figured that out after the first 10 or so times someone cussed him out, Surely he figured it out after the 100th time. But I'm sure after the 1000th time being told how much he and LL sucks in that thread, he got the message. Thanks for making me grin

Yes I think you should.

But i think you know what I meant by tasteful.