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Milla Janick
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05-04-2009 12:53
From: Darien Caldwell I love how everyone loves to generalize and say how *bad* all this will be, but can't offer a shred of proof to substantiate these claims. They go on about how *bad* the plan is, but can't produce a viable alternative (where's the wiki page for that?). I don't know if it's truly an inability to understand and see the big picture, or just that they can't even fathom when a favor is being done for them. The massive numbers of NPIOF users is a huge potential problem. Most of the active users in SL are NPIOF. Many businesses have expressed a concern at the potential for 40% or more of their customer base to disappear. Linden Lab could soften this blow by actually telling people this is coming. To date, the issue of renters being forced off Mature land has not been addressed. It has been more than adequately demonstrated that the search filtering is retarded. Businesses selling Mature content to Mature users will not be able to advertise their business because there's no difference between PG and Mature in the search. Viable alternatives? Cleaning up search by enforcing parcel maturity ratings will go a LONG way to cleaning up SL. That would solve most of the problems right there. The ability in the new viewer to let the user select the level of content they wish to see will take care of most of the rest of it. Simply allowing users to mark their parcels as "Adult Content" in addition to the current "Mature" content would do practically the same thing as moving them to an adult continent. In fact, since it would allow private residents to mark their homes as "Adult Content" when they can't now, and can't move to the Adult continent, it would probably be more effective, as more Adult content would be marked properly. |
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Bhakta Thor
Escape from RL
Join date: 31 Jan 2008
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05-04-2009 12:55
From: Shockwave Yareach Even if the goal is laudible (subject to opinion) the approach being forced on us all (yes forced) is not. We bought Mature land which we were told -- in writing -- may be used for adult businesses. Now LL changed the rules and expects all of us to abandon what we've built over several years and build again in Ursula... as long as you're one of the ones LL taps to move. The rest of us who aren't on the LL buddy list? We stay put, and if we get ONE AR from a griefer or prude, then WE have to pay to go to Ursula on our own dime. All for a PR effort that doesn't benefit us. In short, why should we pay out the ass because LL doesn't know how to run the grid?
And the kicker is, this won't work in the slightest. Protect kids? They'll still see people banging away in private homes just by camming. Restricted Search in the Viewer? Defeatable by using opensource viewers, or a crack program that enables Adult in any viewer. And Blondin's answer to the cries of "unfair" is to tell people to game the system, thus leading to people coming to what they think are PG stores and finding X material. Hardly a "predictable" or safe experience at all. So if the stated goals are provably demonstrated to be unmeetable, why continue?
The solution is to have the new continent be squeaky clean and G rated with any sexual activity banned outright. Nobody will be bothered by that because nobody is there yet. Make this the entrance for all new users and prevent them from leaving until they verify in some way that actually functions (unlike today's solutions.) The reporters coming in for the day will see nothing bad at all. And even kids will be safe in these conditions. We have offered this simpler and cheaper solution to fix LL's PR problem time and time again. So do NOT say we are only complaining - we are customers trying to fix a severe problem in upcoming changes, just like we tried with the Voidsims debacle.
I am here to play. I am not here to pay M to recreate Disneyworld at my expense. If he wants to tell me what words I may or may not say on my own sim, then he can have the sim back because I'll have nothing to do with such unAmerican censorship, no matter who owns what. I know I should not quote the entire response, but it was just so good. BT |
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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05-04-2009 12:56
and on the topic of separation..
LL can do what they want, it's their company.
But I'm not happy at the thought of being lumped in with the sleaze bags. It's hard enough running my little shop, I'm regularly hit on by guys who think that just because I make sex toys I'm constantly gagging for it....and these guys aren't usually newbies, they've usually been around 2+ years.. cue the rolling of the eyes and the non fun vomiting
I've spent some time in welcome areas and tbh, those who come in looking for sex as so one dimensional it's not funny. The majority may spend their cash here but they're really not going to add anything pleasant to the world we live in.
call me harsh, I don't care but the thought of going to the ghetto is making my skin crawl. I believe it's going to reduce the aesthetic beauty of this world simply because without the cross feeding of interests it will become so sterile and focussed.
bah
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Couldbe Yue
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05-04-2009 12:59
and I know that you're all busy having digs at each other but will someone please go and get that list!!!!
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Meade Paravane
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05-04-2009 12:59
From: Darien Caldwell YOu're joking right? I think Blondin may have figured that out after the first 10 or so times someone cussed him out, Surely he figured it out after the 100th time. But I'm sure after the 1000th time being told how much he and LL sucks in that thread, he got the message. Thanks for making me grin  I'm not joking at all.. There's been a pretty huge and negative response to this project and LL is making like everything's all fine and residents are happy with this. With the kind of response they've gotten, I think some kind of acknowledgement from LL would be appropriate. You might be ok with being ignored but I, again, find it pretty contemptuous.
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Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
Join date: 16 May 2007
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How to quote only a part of a post
05-04-2009 12:59
As you can see by the amount of posts I have I'm not a hard core blogger as some here are...I can find better ways to spend my time other than disecting others posts :/
How they hell you quote only part of a post?
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Darien Caldwell
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Join date: 12 Oct 2006
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05-04-2009 13:00
From: Argent Stonecutter There have been plenty of viable alternatives for many specific issues that have been raised with the plan. The fact that you, personally, don't consider these viable alternatives doesn't mean that they're not viable, it just means that you have a problem with them. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205You broke off discussion about this and similar schemes, after claiming that they were inherently unworkable, on the basis that you couldn't find anyone interested in actually discussing things. "I’m not surprised to see you haven’t thought it through enough You never had the head for all that bigger picture stuff But, Tom, that’s what I do, and I plan on eating you slowly All we want to do is eat your brains We’re not unreasonable; I mean, no one’s gonna eat your eyes All we want to do is eat your brains We’re at an impasse here; maybe we should compromise: If you open up the doors We’ll all come inside and eat your brains" -- Jonathan Coulton, "Re: your brains". Sure you can. There's plenty of people who are not fighting the plan but trying to get it clearly specified and details spelled out far enough in advance that people can make plans. Oh, there you go again. Blondin has said that "word of mouth" might be considered advertising. Better relabel your "beer" on PG land as "Lemonade". People who made the correct choices based on the definitions that existed last year, are now people who made wrong choices. I'll bet we were always at war with Oceania too! I'll read the link. Cute song lyrics. I don't think LL will eat our brains, they would fear of catching something. Well, for those trying to get things better outlined, I apologize. It just seems the shouters are drowning everyone else out. And the problem is here in the forums, there's only one of me, but a whole lot of them. It's not that I don't want to debate it, but simply that I can't. One post from me generates 20 from the opposition. And I only have an hour at lunch to post before I have to get back to the real world and all the fun it holds in store for me (work, work, work) Blondin says a lot of things, but in practice and law they won't stand water. you can't help what people say about you and your store. Word of mouth is just a fact they will have to live with. And again, nobody's filtering words, just search hell, LL gives out whiskey in the Nautilus sims, they would be in violation of their own rule, if such a rule existed. (Magellan was quite the drinker it seems) And yes, I can agree that what seemed okay at one time is now not, LL did change the playing field, and thats why they are attempting to rectify that by offering the land swap. I think they should broaden their criteria on acceptance for that. |
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Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
Join date: 16 May 2007
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05-04-2009 13:01
From: Couldbe Yue and I know that you're all busy having digs at each other but will someone please go and get that list!!!! Iwent and got lost lucky i had a safety rope to get back here ^ ^ |
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Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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05-04-2009 13:05
From: Darien Caldwell The fact that 'moving a build is hard' is not even beginning to be bad enough to block this whole plan. You're massively over-exaggerating the goals of the people involved in these discussions. We'd given up on "block" even before your FIRST "oh no nobody;s interested in discussion" post and are simply hoping to achieve "rationality". |
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Darien Caldwell
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05-04-2009 13:07
From: Argent Stonecutter There have been plenty of viable alternatives for many specific issues that have been raised with the plan. The fact that you, personally, don't consider these viable alternatives doesn't mean that they're not viable, it just means that you have a problem with them. http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/svc-205So I read this JIRA. I agree it would be nice. However it doesn't really address the one thing that LL's plan hinges on, which is Search. Search, Search, Search, it's all about the Search. If the plan doesn't clean up Search, it's not a viable replacement for LL's current plan. Because that's what LL wants, a clean, sanitary search for those who wish to have one. Not saying it's not a good plan, just not an alternative to LL's plan. |
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Tcko Cazalet
Less Freedom=Exodus
Join date: 16 May 2007
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Adult ads
05-04-2009 13:10
anyone wonder how our adult ads will look like?
***Grand Sale*** 2 Days only...come to our BLEEP store and buy our BLEEPS so you can do the BLEEP....btw be sure you are verified so you can buy our BLEEPING items
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
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05-04-2009 13:10
if any of you are inworld working, don't bother. LL are playing silly buggers with the servers again. not only are rotations playing up (i.e. not saving properly which is a sign of sim servers under load) but also my inventory now has two folders above the my inventory folder - one called seagulls and the other called seaweed and undersea clutter (neither of them i can open).
and Blondin has deleted the post in the jira..
someone feel free to tell me why I waste my time on the pos platform
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-04-2009 13:10
From: Darien Caldwell Yes I think you should. But i think you know what I meant by tasteful. No, actually, I don't. Does it include full frontal nudity? Blasphemy? Rotting corpses? Decapitation? Electrocution? Implied autoerotic asphyxiation? |
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Darien Caldwell
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05-04-2009 13:12
From: Milla Janick The massive numbers of NPIOF users is a huge potential problem. Most of the active users in SL are NPIOF. Many businesses have expressed a concern at the potential for 40% or more of their customer base to disappear. This is a problem I agree, However the range of methods to verify is varied now, making a free paypal account to buy 1 dollar of Lindens isn't that far fetched for most people. But certainly it is an obstacle to getting into adult areas. But perhaps a carrot is all that some people need to coax them into doing so. Too early to say how much of a real affect this will have. |
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Bhakta Thor
Escape from RL
Join date: 31 Jan 2008
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partial quotes
05-04-2009 13:16
From: Tcko Cazalet As you can see by the amount of posts I have I'm not a hard core blogger as some here are...I can find better ways to spend my time other than disecting others posts :/
How they hell you quote only part of a post? whatever remains between [Quote...] and [/Quote] is what will be quoted |
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-04-2009 13:17
From: Darien Caldwell It just seems the shouters are drowning everyone else out. And you're part of that problem. If you're not interested in discussing the points you raise, then all you're doing is making the problem you're decrying worse. From: someone Blondin says a lot of things, but in practice and law they won't stand water. you can't help what people say about you and your store. Word of mouth is just a fact they will have to live with. What makes you think the G Team has to satisfy legal standards of proof? They never have before. In the absence of a definition of advertising they are perfectly capable of returning your sex bed in your skybox because they THINK you're advertising it through word-of-mouth... even if it's not a store and nobody's making money on it. And then banning you if you put it back again. From: someone And again, nobody's filtering words, just search hell, LL gives out whiskey in the Nautilus sims, they would be in violation of their own rule, if such a rule existed. Unless they change the content of KB6010, they will have to make sure none of those sims are PG. |
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Darien Caldwell
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05-04-2009 13:17
From: Argent Stonecutter No, actually, I don't. Does it include full frontal nudity? Blasphemy? Rotting corpses? Decapitation? Electrocution? Implied autoerotic asphyxiation? Well, that is a good example of why this is happening. People's ideas of what is tasteful, acceptable, and proper, and what is not, varies greatly. I'm not about to go into details of what I think goes to far, but I'll simply say i've seen things in SL that made my skin crawl. And I'm a pretty open-minded person. Everyone has limits to what they are comfortable with, that is the one universal. |
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Tcko Cazalet
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05-04-2009 13:17
From: Bhakta Thor whatever remains between [Quote...] and is what will be quoted[/QUOTE] ahhhh tyvm ^ ^ |
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Lord Sullivan
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05-04-2009 13:18
All the link gives me is the Jira and i cannot see anything posted by Blondin
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-04-2009 13:20
From: Darien Caldwell Well, that is a good example of why this is happening. People's ideas of what is tasteful, acceptable, and proper, and what is not, varies greatly. I'm not about to go into details of what I think goes to far, but I'll simply say i've seen things in SL that made my skin crawl. And I'm a pretty open-minded person. Everyone has limits to what they are comfortable with, that is the one universal. But I've seen all of those things in movies and comic books and other products openly sold in grocery stores, with no age restrictions on them whatsoever. |
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Couldbe Yue
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05-04-2009 13:22
i got this down in an email when i got there his post was there but i couldn't access the attachment. I've just gone back and now the post has been deleted too
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Thorn Witrial
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05-04-2009 13:26
From: Couldbe Yue i got this down in an email
when i got there his post was there but i couldn't access the attachment.
I've just gone back and now the post has been deleted too Okay yeah. Earlier today when I updated the JIRA vote tally on a post in the Xstreet forum, I mentioned that, right over where the comments started, there was now an added list that linked to the SLapt wiki with the filtered words list. Now I look again and it's gone. I think Blondin deleted it from the JIRA like how he went on the SL wiki and took down the list.
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Quacken Nightfire
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05-04-2009 13:27
Couldbe Yue: There WAS an attachment with the blacklisted keywords. You got the notification because Blondin removed the attachment.
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Ann Otoole
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05-04-2009 13:27
From: Couldbe Yue i got this down in an email
when i got there his post was there but i couldn't access the attachment.
I've just gone back and now the post has been deleted too That means Blondin deleted the word list someone else posted. In a comment he stated people need to just point to off LL web sites for such word lists. From: someone Blondin Linden commented on SVC-4149:
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Hey All,
Daniel posted a list of words, and like the ones on the wiki, I had to take it down. Daniel - maybe you could post a link to the website that Lord Sullivan has created and point people to that.
Sorry for the inconvenience
Blondin
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Darien Caldwell
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05-04-2009 13:28
From: Argent Stonecutter And you're part of that problem. If you're not interested in discussing the points you raise, then all you're doing is making the problem you're decrying worse. Oh I agree. I keep trying to stop, but when I see some yahoo replying to my posts and making derogartory remarks while simultaneously making misleading statements, it's hard for me to let that slide (and I don't mean you). But I'll stop. But Really, There's nothing to debate. LL does what LL wants, LL does it how they want, LL does it when they want, So what is there to debate really? Who's opinion matters more? One of the basic rules of hiking is, You expend more effort climbing up or over something than you do going around it. Enjoy your climb. |
