RC Questions

No but if you open the main map and type in ursula you will see it

Would be nice, if the Lindens would Pony up to the statistics Bar,
clear the Smoke from the air, and polish up the Mirror
and serve up cool Drinks made of facts and figures that all could review, and comment on
after all, we are all Mature Adult, according to the TOS, we all agreed SL is for 18 years+ only

Well, in its present form, if the resident doing the search checks off both PG and Mature, they would see what is in both categories.

But yes, if you only check PG, for example, and someone searching is only keeping the "Mature" checkbox and "Adult" checkbox checked, so they don't offend a store owner or its customers by appearing in a PG store in clothes suitable of Mature or higher only, then they won't see your ad. I know in my own case, if this change goes through as presented so far, probably will only check "PG" in search when I am in a child avatar and searching for kid-friendly stuff.

I would use the rating level of the sim as a guideline, regardless of what sort of stuff you're selling. If you're worried about not being seen in other ratings, rent a amsll one-vendor mall space in the other areas with a sampling of your wares, and a notecard and LM giver that lets customers know what sim your main store is in, and what ratings chouices they need to access it in Search.

Ann Otoole raises a good point on the JIRA -

If you are going to attend any Linden Office Hours, they have agendas they already have in place. Talk to them to add your issues to the agenda, or you will be visibly ignored. Now, if any of them will add this issue is anybody's guess, but it doesn't look likely. They tell us to play by the rules, they tell us what the rules are, when we play by them, they change the rules.

I thought about this myself but still do not know if my signs will be allowed to contain any words that are considered adult by the search filter. I may have to use both my premium's land allowance to get land on a mature sim and set up my own "infohub" but that will all depend on what is actually allowed. Will the descriptive words be banned from textures as well?

This is a question I would really like answered, too. As far as I can make out, I can advertise and display a bondage cross on a mature sim, so long as I call it a St Andrew's Cross in the advert.

May I call it a "Bondage Cross" on the vendor/packaging, and am I allowed to have a sign there saying, "If you would like to see some more of our BDSM furniture and animations, please take a landmark for our other shop and adjust your viewer preferences if necessary"?

I have a question. Not sure if this is the forum for it. I like to help newbies out, give them a notecard with lots of helpful tips (how to stop typing animation, where to find a decent freebie AO, free skins, etc.). Yesterday I met a newbie and was helping her out, gave her some nice clothes, helped her find some hair and stuff. She was wearing the skin she was rezzed in. Today she IM'd me asking how to get naked. She had tried several things, with several people helping her, and nothing worked. I passed her a free skin I had in my inventory and told her to try changing out the skin and sure enough, that was it. Has anyone else encountered this? Is it something new? Is it due to the upcoming changes?

I belive it started when they revamped the initial libary some time ago, presumably the underwear is for an assumed PG starting status. Didn't think anything of it at the time but hmmmm does make you wonder for how long they may have been preparing for this behind the scenes.

That said, the whole thing is SO shambolic that if they have been planning for ages - they didn't spend much time working out the details of it

Most of the free skins in the Library now do have baked on underwear, yes. So they can be given readily to newbies without offending anyone. There's only one or two left in the free stuff from LL that don't have baked-on undies.

If she wants a better skin, she'll pretty much have to buy one, or create a "New" default skin and wear that.

I found this;

1. The Second Life Terms of Service was updated by Linden Labs. The most important part was additional legal protection for Linden Labs and Second Life particularly that claims under $10,000 must be handled by an arbitrator. Linden Labs is truly pulling out all the stops to protect themselves. Everything from a gambling ban in Second Life, to a crackdown on inappropriate behavior, and a more powerful age verification is all an effort for Linden Labs to watch their back.

This came about from a lawsuit from Marc Bragg ....SL settled out of court and I know it cost them a little....the settlement is confindential but originally he was asking $7000 usd for a land deal that went bad which SL froze his account over...his account has been restored also.

This is paranoia on SL's end to try to cover their ass's......and they are going full monty to get the job done.

P.S. My understanding is that if you sign in on the new TOS you cannot take them to court for anything less than $10,000 usd...and....If you dont sign the new TOS you cannot log into SL......catch 22 same as duress.

P.S.S. Marc Bragg is a Pennsylvania lawyer in RL and his av name is Marc Woebegone

I really am glad you posted all that. For someone who likes to throw around words like rational, knowledge and the ability to see the big picture the posts, by you, that I've read contain the bare minimum of those traits.
But if "The Master of Knowledge" here doesn't need to provide references or links to back up his assertions then neither do any of us-thanks for that too!

I'm going to take your last quoted stanza first. So underage people go through the hoops of creating an sl account so they can then type popular expressions for human sexual organs in the search engine?
Really!?! When there is so much porn available on the web for free and all one needs to do is click that they're over 18 why bother with digital doll creations when the real thing or at least good quality photos and videos of real people are available? Care to attempt to explain that?!

I'll give my version and I don't at all care that you'll completely disagree with me. It has a lot to do with the owl-the spotted owl and so I do appreciate that more than you know. The spotted owl vs the poor lumber company was a smokescreen tactic used by the lumber industry to divert outrage at loss mill worker jobs from the industry to environmental groups. The lumber industry cut a deal with Asian markets to take their trees raw-that is not milled so many workers lost their jobs. There was little change in the amount of trees harvested over the years of the controversy but the industry claimed it was all the environmentalists fault that jobs disappeared. *http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v4n1/homepage.html
Of course that event got politicized and was used for the very type of misinformation you are so expert at.

Hey YOU took us off topic with that reference. Maybe consider using wikipedia in the future.
The thing is all this worry about how kids could be exposed to something harmful in SL rings a little false.
If those who are under 18 want to find pictures of people being sexual, alcohol. images of graphic violence or whatever they are very resourceful in so doing and I never hear any of them complaining either.

It's not them we are really protecting it's people-people over 18 who for whatever reason can't handle sex or sexual references and that probably includes the Lindens who would rather not be known as the company who started a virtual sexland with avatars. You can't change these people's minds of that I am sure. They will use whatever tactic they can to accomplish their goal and that includes smoke screening you with BS. I would like people to address or just think about what comes after the move because I remember from the previous thread that the move was just step or phase one. After you agree to being displaced what will you face then-besides the already known elements of being hidden and censored?

I'm really addressing the rest to my friends in SL. It might be hard to consider letting go of what you have here but take a cold hard look at what you have. Pushed out of the way and dealt with as if you are an eyesore. Is that how you want to see yourselves and how you want to be treated? And if you agree to this treatment what is next? No one knows because LL won't tell anyone anything specific.

OL may not be perfect it may not contain everything that SL has but it is devoid of one group you won't miss-Lindens and their management style.

Last but never least: I never flaunted the fact that iI work in the sex industry-I thought it was better to be discreet and not make waves but I see now really well who are real and who are real hypocrites.

the newbie skins have underwear painted on them is all. To get naked you have to get a new skin.

have seen this, was her last name gossipgirl, anyway, a new skin works.

i have been one of LL's critics since they banned gambling here and as land owners this limited us badly,
but... if LL go on the course they seem to be on i have a feeling we will all be ok and LL will have satisfied its business intererests.

ok here is my theory:
new person a, (the shy type) joins SL, (he/she) doesnt want sex in his face so he doesnt opt for adult in the search box. he can pay or not but its up to him, he has the choice, he will get the more predictable experience that he wanted.

new person b, (the average type) joins SL, (he/she) doesnt mind the sex thing in SL and would be happy with the current experience, says to his friend "hey i heard there were strip clubs and all sorts of adult entertainment here" his friend says "there is! all you need do is:

a, buy something in real cash from SL or Xtreet
b, pay LL for to join
c. talk to the king.

of course moving will still be a pain in the butt.

One Linden mumbled something along a brown bag meeting about a first step/phase.

LL is on its way to cascade "steps".

Stability of freedom we can forget. Means: relaxed playing without thinking on consequences- this we can forget.

There is much behind curtains waiting on all "residents" - not only the adult theme.

We should be constantly prepared. Not by knowledge, because we know nothing, but emotionally. The only thing we know is, that LL want not that we know all their plans.

Only money and obedience.

The thrill seems to be over. The fun is gone. The platform will become extremly regulated and extremely boring and by the way: extremely expensive, more than before.

This is my impression. Maybe I am wrong, but if I look at these new Lindens... - if I add the blog entries of each day, if I add the boring pictures at each login-screen - oh, OH...

As a metaphor said, I think: after the war on eros, erotic and expressions they will start a war on spontaneity and a war on our wallets.

SL was grown organic and pulsating. Kind of natural grown like an old but big european, south-american or asian metropolitan city.

This will see an end.

From now on the Lindens are ruling the structures strict. The master-plan behind the curtains is maybe, to control every move of every individual or group or interest in SL.

They are the masters of the puppets. We are the puppets.

A strict bureaucratic remote controled system. Like often said: a large Disney Park, from wich we know that the organisation behind Disney World is organized in kind of a strict militarism style system/event-management - We are then Linden Lab's entertainment army - created to recrute new target groups of residents by our acting wich they use then for their marketing program.

No more room for spontaneity and surprises.

Our role in this will be to play Goofy or Minnie Mouse by schedule and within strict borders of rules and restrictions.

In other words: they try to optimize their pyramide-system of attracting naive newbies and making money - companied by an environment of average boring corporate and education structures.

The organic, spontaneous, pulsating, full of surprises, colorful cosmopolitan thing is over.

LL took now the three main tools wich they need to control this: they took our maturity and freedom, they took our creativity and our alphabet.

From now on we can talk without mouths, looking without eyes, hearing without ears and creating without hands and walking without feets.

LL is now the compass who says where the travel has to go and on wich route(s).

We all started as Columbus and now we end as idiots. Or we leave. Depends on alternatives.

Only problem with these stats is working out what percentage of those surveyed are inactive accounts or bots.

Yep no point in trying to railroad the Scripting or UI Linden team into providing answers about the adult continent. Get the right Linden.........

Hmmmm... Good question!

I would advise using nothing but sterile, clinical terms, but there's a damned good chance they've all been censored!

Blondin posted the following at

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4149



So it seems the powers that be do want this list on their servers but are OK that we are holding a list on the SLapt.me wiki which people can help build

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Adult_Content_Keywords

I have just added a third Protest Poster to xstreet

This one highlights the crazy 'Tits and Ass' episode and as with all the others is full perm and comes with the textures for you to adapt and use as you feel best.

https://uncensored.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1440765

These Posters have been created to be highly visible in order to get the general message across fast and bold with 'Ursula Sucks'

and

deal with the implications for Land Owners, Residents and Businesses with

Tornado - 'Twisted Mess' & Tornado "Blown Away'

and finally

highlight the absurdities of the 1.23 key word filtering with 'Ass over Tits'

That's it for now folks - grab 'em while you still can

^L^

http://groups.google.com/group/slresidents?hl=en


let's organise an insurrection

You're kidding, right? I mean, have you been paying *any* attention to this issue and the response it has generated?

Since this issue reared its ugly head roughly six weeks ago, it has generated close to 15 thousand comments just on this forum alone. The bulk of these comments detailed *exactly* how this issue is bad in very real, detailed circumstances. Most have even proposed alternatives far less draconian than the idea being pushed by Linden Labs. Because the whole, entire scope of this issue is unprecedented, nobody can offer much more than anecdotal proof of concept - you included. Yet, while many of us here believe that *something* needs to be done to fix a broken system, anyone with an ounce of logical reasoning skills can see that Linden Labs' proposal is deeply and fundamentally flawed, even detrimental to the grid's economic health. Only one person throughout these threads has stood up and claimed that Linden Labs' proposal is perfect as-is: Nany Kayo. You are not her, are you?Who exactly IS this silent "majority" of whom you speak? Only ONE other issue in the entirety of Second Life's lifetime has garnered a stronger unified response: The whole OpenSim fiasco; and this adult content issue is quickly overtaking it.

There are not a lot of us here claiming that the current system is perfect as-is; however, we pretty much universally agree that LL's proposal is worse than doing nothing at all.

No, I don't, actually. The term is entirely too subjective.

That is exactly what is wrong with this whole, entire plan. It is not based on a single ounce of objective data whatsoever! Everything about it is subjective - even the as-yet-undefined "Adult Content". Even worse, for those left behind who do not get picked to move to the ghetto, the interpretation by whichever member of the G-Team who handles the flood of AR's from prudes and self-appointed vigilantes will likewise be subjective. When you get right down to it, it just simply is no way to run a business - either for Linden Labs, or for the people having to run their in-world businesses under the spectre of this subjectivism.
If this were all LL wanted, then please explain why simply enforcing *existing* standards on the *existing* search mechanism and *removing* the search entries created by those who gamed the search system are not sufficient for meeting these goals? What does creating a new Adult category, forcing everyone who partakes in adult activities to move to a newly-created ghetto, nerfing the Mature category, and implementing a keyword censor mechanism used in circa-1998 spam filters do that simply *enforcing* current standards does not?

No, I don't, actually. The term is entirely too subjective.

That is exactly what is wrong with this whole, entire plan. It is not based on a single ounce of objective data whatsoever! Everything about it is subjective - even the as-yet-undefined "Adult Content". Even worse, for those left behind who do not get picked to move to the ghetto, the interpretation by whichever member of the G-Team who handles the flood of AR's from prudes and self-appointed vigilantes will likewise be subjective. When you get right down to it, it just simply is no way to run a business - either for Linden Labs, or for the people having to run their in-world businesses under the spectre of this subjectivism.

If this were all LL wanted, then please explain why simply enforcing *existing* standards on the *existing* search mechanism and *removing* the search entries created by those who gamed the search system are not sufficient for meeting these goals? What does creating a new Adult category, forcing everyone who partakes in adult activities to move to a newly-created ghetto, nerfing the Mature category, and implementing a keyword censor mechanism used in circa-1998 spam filters do that simply *enforcing* current standards does not?

If you break out the population of NPIOFs who actually interact with the world around them from the disposable alts and bots, and - based on that in-world data-collection tool people have been using to determine how much of their customers will be blocked from their businesses, the percent of SL's active population who will be affected by this is somewhere between 35% and 45%.