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Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 11:29
From: Hypatia Meili
Why does it not show verification status on our account page, and method?
That's a good question. There's a lot of account information you can't view, let alone modify, on your account page.
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Phoenix Nohkan
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non sense
05-05-2009 11:30
From: Ann Otoole
The objective is one million concurrency. That means routinely having one million residents online at any given time on average.

the absence of 2,000 former sex businesses will not be even be noticed in those statistics.

However I'm pretty sure had Sexth Vader convinced Lewd to cum over to the cum side of the farce then the one million cum-currency could have been achieved much faster.


Is there any evidence to support a million concurrent users? Also Meta Linden used the plural millions. Nice of you to ignore that for your purposes.

No one who knows much about multiplayer online games would give you good odds on SL being able to attract even a small percentage of that fantasy figure. Anyone that's even briefly looked at the current batch of MMORPG games would notice the graphics disadvantage SL has in comparison to MMORPG plus SL can't even contain more than 40 avies in a sim. After that it lags down and no one can move. If that issue isn't fixed forget about attracting business and having more people here.

The 2K not being noticed sounds like justification for doing what you want because you and the antisex league will "potentially" have nice squeaky clean users-instead of those annoying sexual being you have now. Another convenient blind spot there is the users of the 2K sex businesses. Ah-that might add up to far more people!

Your last paragraph is simply a great example of how you can complain about sensationalistic behavior and use it at the same time. The one million figure can't be achieved at all because no one can show any verifiable stats that support these potential users and the product AKA SL doesn't now and perhaps never will support that amount of users. Hell when SL was more popular on weekends the entire grid would become unstable with a concurrent 60K+. A million users my digital derrière!
Thorn Witrial
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05-05-2009 11:36
From: Phoenix Nohkan
Is there any evidence to support a million concurrent users? Also Meta Linden used the plural millions. Nice of you to ignore that for your purposes.

No one who knows much about multiplayer online games would give you good odds on SL being able to attract even a small percentage of that fantasy figure. Anyone that's even briefly looked at the current batch of MMORPG games would notice the graphics disadvantage SL has in comparison to MMORPG plus SL can't even contain more than 40 avies in a sim. After that it lags down and no one can move. If that issue isn't fixed forget about attracting business and having more people here.

The 2K not being noticed sounds like justification for doing what you want because you and the antisex league will "potentially" have nice squeaky clean users-instead of those annoying sexual being you have now. Another convenient blind spot there is the users of the 2K sex businesses. Ah-that might add up to far more people!

Your last paragraph is simply a great example of how you can complain about sensationalistic behavior and use it at the same time. The one million figure can't be achieved at all because no one can show any verifiable stats that support these potential users and the product AKA SL doesn't now and perhaps never will support that amount of users.


Phoenix, Ann is one of us. She was being facetious.
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Hypatia Meili
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05-05-2009 11:39
I am detecting a lot of inconstancy in search.
While I have gotten a lot Adult results with only PG checked.
(note: most of these results were on the places tab)
I can only find the PG stuff on my mature parcel with Adult checked.
(note: show in search for items only applies to the ALL tab)
So much for predictability.


edit --> note I just added some keywords to parcel description.
Now I need to wait for search to update.
Phoenix Nohkan
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ha ha
05-05-2009 11:43
From: Thorn Witrial
Phoenix, Ann is one of us. She was being facetious.


I'm in attack mode now-think fembot if you like. Don't get in my way!

Anyway I stand by what I said /me shifts slightly to avoid the dodo --because Meta Linden said millions!!
Thorn Witrial
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05-05-2009 11:44
From: Phoenix Nohkan
I'm in attack mode now-think fembot if you like. Don't get in my way!


Eek. O.O;;;
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Vivienne Schell
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Boah
05-05-2009 11:50
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=103376&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120#496050

Meta Linden:

"The voice you are NOT hearing on the forums (by definition) is the millions of new potential users we want to enjoy Second Life like you do, but aren't here yet. Surveys of people who tried SL but decided it wasn't for them, as well as feedback from new organizations (educational, corporate, and other social networks), pointed out the high visibility of AO content in M spaces as a blocking concern for them. It is for *these* silent potential users we are making this change."

LOL.

Hard to believe that they believe in this themselves. But if they do, oh my. Btw, dear Meta, the "potential" customes do not pay for your salary.
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05-05-2009 11:58
From: Darien Caldwell
People talking about how there's 80% npiofs, yes those are all the millions of inactive accounts which will never return. Most of the active people have payment info on file, don't fall for the red herring.
Proof? Most of the active people I talk to in world do not. Up until now I've resisted engaging you because I feel like you've either gone into troll mode or have self-polarized. But, I just can't let you make these statements without a challenge/
From: Darien Caldwell
A lot of people are afraid to speak up about their agreement for fear of being labeled 'sellout' or what have you, just as I have been.
I don't buy this for one minute. I've talked with lots of people who had no idea this is coming. I have not come across ONE person who has told "it's about time." FWIW, I do NOT hang out in any RP, BDSM, adult or whatever areas. 90% of my time in-world is spent at PG clubs, at my house or exploring PG areas. Maybe 10% at a couple of Mature clubs I visit because friends are there.

So far, NOT one person has said they think this is a good thing. One person told me they don't really care (the "whatever" response). The rest have all said it's a bad idea. Of those, maybe 1/2 were interested in actively doing something about it.
From: Darien Caldwell
There is no shame in giving a little ground in the name of peace. Keep throwing artillery and there will be none.
I am a very polite person in-world, here and in general. I have taken to handing out notecards explaining what's going on but only if someone wants to hear about it.

If you simply said -- I think this is a lukewarm idea -- I'm gonna cope -- personal opinion -- it would be end of story. But continually making bogus arguments and statements of fact that don't match mine (or anyone else's) experience seems counterproductive.
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Lasher Oh
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05-05-2009 11:59
From: Thorn Witrial
Phoenix, Ann is one of us. She was being facetious.


That's true Pho - Anne's with us all the way and was using a great big cup of irony :-)
Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 12:02
From: Lasher Oh
That's true Pho - Anne's with us all the way and was using a great big cup of irony :-)
She obviously gets a really good price on it. :)
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-05-2009 12:02
From: Hypatia Meili
Randomly ask people? Some terms will be more obvious then others, why should people automatically assume they would need to. They may simply assume it is only available in adult land or to adult accounts(verified). I sell to dumb people to, their money is just as good.


Cause they will get a popup telling them some words were filtered when they enter "sex" in search. It I was a newbie looking for some fun, that would make me try some other words, or ask the nearest person "hey, I heard there is sex here, how do I find it".

Hopefully they will get a landmark to the "Newbie Adult Information Center", a wonderful place set up along the lines of New Citizens Inc, with helpers and signs explaining in 42 languages how to get to the naughty bits.

[I am entirely tempted to set such a place up.]

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Note, the popup tells you words are exluded as described in the community standards, and the community standards still say nothing relating to adult content (only PG and Mature). Not to mention search listings are supposed to be ALL PG at present. I suppose implicitly by not filtering at the adult level, that policy is being relaxed.
Phoenix Nohkan
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Hi Lash
05-05-2009 12:10
From: Lasher Oh
That's true Pho - Anne's with us all the way and was using a great big cup of irony :-)

Ok I'll lay off her but I'm sure she can hold her own-just how sharp do you think my claws are anyway-and you know me?

Besides between the obvious moles (not trolls) here and the anecdotal evidence that in world many people are still unaware of this upcoming event I'm outraged. I'm outraged for you, kea and many others having to deal with this unnecessary and unproductive folly of fools.
Ann Otoole
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05-05-2009 12:25
Why don't you address your questions/accusations in respect to the desire/goal/prime directive of achieving one million concurrency to Linden Lab and see what they have to say about what their primary goal is for scalability.
Phoenix Nohkan
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cat N mouse?
05-05-2009 12:32
From: Ann Otoole
Why don't you address your questions/accusations in respect to the desire/goal/prime directive of achieving one million concurrency to Linden Lab and see what they have to say about what their primary goal is for scalability.



Hmmm (feels toyed with)

Given the responses so far and the lack of any lucid answers by Lindens tell me why I would bother.
Thorn Witrial
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05-05-2009 12:33
From: Phoenix Nohkan
Hmmm (feels toyed with)

Given the responses so far and the lack of any lucid answers by Lindens tell me why I would bother.


Speaking of being toyed with, did anybody go to Blondin's office hour?
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05-05-2009 12:40
From: Qie Niangao
Right, but it would be a big mistake to conclude that this means a 35-45% reduction in revenue for Adult-sited businesses. A "big mistake" in two senses:[snip]
Good points. However, when it comes right down to it, what is the difference between a NPIOF and a PIOF? Other than the latter being in a better position to buy a Linden service than the former by having billing information at the ready, there's really no difference at all.

A lot of people are NPIOF because they wish to keep their second lives anonymous, or because they don't trust LL with their credit card information, or a variety of other legitimate reasons. They are these people who will be affected the most by this policy change by being forced to give up information they are either unable or unwilling to give up in exchange for the freedoms they currently enjoy. Not all NPIOFs are freeloaders. I was NPIOF for most of my second life, yet I contributed quite actively to the economy.
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Phoenix Nohkan
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fiends for fun :)
05-05-2009 12:51
Note my topic title has nothing to do with this :p

Although SL could be about having fun and just enjoying people you meet-sometimes it is.
I was with a bunch of vampires last night we had a lot of laughs soo forget the previous note hahahah

My OC (obsessive compulsive) self gets activated with this topic and forum thread. I do need to go chill.

Like I said I'm seeing red about this but so what? I'll deal with it.

This entire thread and the previous ones are "potentially" nothing more than mental wiggle-wongle. ( I made that up maybe I can work as a wordmeister changing filtered words into code-but probably not since lots of people can do that)

If any Lindens are looking they are very welcome to address the statements or claims I made in post 498.
I'm relatively sure that's not going to happen but if it does please provide translation too since I don't speak the prevailing version of obfuscation.
Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 13:04
From: Katheryne Helendale
Good points. However, when it comes right down to it, what is the difference between a NPIOF and a PIOF? Other than the latter being in a better position to buy a Linden service than the former by having billing information at the ready, there's really no difference at all.
PI gives them a little accountability. If someone has PIOF and gets banned for being underage, they won't be able to use the same PI for their next alt.
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Darien Caldwell
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05-05-2009 13:06
From: Sindy Tsure
/me asks Darien a third time about population density and land speculators..


I didn't see the first two. But I'm listening. Speculators is a yet to be seen pheomenon. Obviously land isnt' for sale yet. But Consider this:

- Only businesses need to be on Adult Land, since they are the only ones who need to place Adult Ads. Those Most Affected will be given a Land Swap by LL.
- After that, it's only going to be those who feel they must move, either because they don't really understand the changes, or because they are unwilling to make the necessary adjustments to stay on Mature. So LL should give them a super deal why?

- There will be private indivduals who will be making land available at cost to undercut any speculators. That I can assure you.


And what about Population Density? I don't know that question.
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05-05-2009 13:12
From: Snickers Snook
If you simply said -- I think this is a lukewarm idea -- I'm gonna cope -- personal opinion -- it would be end of story. But continually making bogus arguments and statements of fact that don't match mine (or anyone else's) experience seems counterproductive.


So it's counter-productive to challenge bad ideas and bad thinking, I should simply go along with this particular herd. That's probably the saddest thing I've ever read.

If my arguments were bogus, I would agree, but nothing I have said is false, inaccurate, or not a matter of fact. If they are, please cite the evidence to the contrary.
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 13:15
From: Darien Caldwell
Only businesses need to be on Adult Land
Wrong.
From: someone
since they are the only ones who need to place Adult Ads
Not even wrong.
From: someone
Those Most Affected will be given a Land Swap by LL
And most of those affected won't.
From: someone
they are unwilling to make the necessary adjustments to stay on Mature
That applies to Those Most Affected as well. They could always go into another business.
From: someone
So LL should give them a super deal why
Because they're getting a raw deal.
From: someone
There will be private indivduals who will be making land available at cost to undercut any speculators
Just like in Bay City.
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Darien Caldwell
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05-05-2009 13:15
From: Katheryne Helendale
Good points. However, when it comes right down to it, what is the difference between a NPIOF and a PIOF? Other than the latter being in a better position to buy a Linden service than the former by having billing information at the ready, there's really no difference at all.

A lot of people are NPIOF because they wish to keep their second lives anonymous, or because they don't trust LL with their credit card information, or a variety of other legitimate reasons. They are these people who will be affected the most by this policy change by being forced to give up information they are either unable or unwilling to give up in exchange for the freedoms they currently enjoy. Not all NPIOFs are freeloaders. I was NPIOF for most of my second life, yet I contributed quite actively to the economy.


Actually there's a big difference. NPIOF don't have any lindens. The ones that do, and are as you say people keeping their lives private, it's their 'main' that has PIOF, and give them the lindens. So that only strengthens the assertion that most have PIOF, since a lot of these NPIOF are backed by a PIOF main. I can agree though, it does weaken the ability to keep one's various second lives seperate. But it's still possible even with the new adult initiative.
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05-05-2009 13:18
From: Argent Stonecutter
Wrong.
Not even wrong.
And most of those affected won't.
That applies to Those Most Affected as well. They could always go into another business.
Because they're getting a raw deal.
Just like in Bay City.


Can you explain why the first was 'wrong'? Why would someone place their private home in search?
P.S. I took the afternoon off from work just for you guys. I hope you're pleased with yourself :p
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 13:21
From: Darien Caldwell
Can you explain why the first was 'wrong'? Why would someone place their private home in search?
1. "Residence" is a search category. Many homes are listed that way. Many private homes are rented in themed builds that are listed in search.

2. You don't have to be listed in search to be "advertised". Blondin said that word of mouth might be considered advertising. And yes, Linden Labs is allowed to do that, they don't have to satisfy criminal... or even civil... standards of proof.
From: someone
I took the afternoon off from work just for you guys.
You didn't do it for us, you did it for you.
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-05-2009 13:23
From: Darien Caldwell
Actually there's a big difference. NPIOF don't have any lindens.
I was getting paid for scripting work my first day in-world, spending no money, just hanging out in a sandbox playing with prims. There's many many creative people who are just plain old NPIOF. I would have been one if NPIOF was possible in 2005.
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