RC Questions

"Tal" is short for "Talarus", my name, and he was responding to my reiteration of the problems this plan has, and the resistance it is getting, to which he replied the way he did.

Thanks for the hint, if I need it in future I will think on it , but I have 3 avas on premium and I still hold 1536 for free with them (my building zone) and 8000 and something with my good friend and biz partner (fashion/furniture/diverse design-shop - non-adult) - if I kill all land, she would be out of biz.

90% of my former property I made purple yesterday. I paid before 195 + VAT, - from now on only 40. Wich is peanuts and so or so covered through the fashion sales, etc.

From that one month tier the LL management can maybe buy itself some more Big Mac's for their famous brown bag meetings. They are killer, these burgers! Hehehehe.

Uhh.. we're having our angst because LL is STILL ignoring MANY important questions.

As for being "grown-up enough to understand what is going on", WTF does that have to do with it? This isn't some issue where the level of maturity of the observer is going to decide what is right and wrong about it, so the only reason I can surmise why you would say something like that is just to be an ass. "Grown up", indeed.

Just because you want to roll over and let the train run over you doesn't make you any more right in this matter than anyone else. You've chosen your side because you think it is more correct. That's fine; it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Many others (including myself) don't share it in the least, and our opinions are no lesser than yours, nor deserve lesser attention, nor in any way makes us less "grown up".

In the end, we ARE being VERY careful what we're asking for, and we HOPE we get it, instead of this idiotic, vacuous, ill-thought-out policy which is going to wreck SL a lot more than you realize.

But, hey, that's just my opinion, ya know?

*laughs* I wonder, what would the grid be like if everyone who wanted to live a full second life (including PG moments, intimate moments, and just plain goofiness) moved to/flagged their regions Adult, and developed another mechanism to flag regions within the Adult grid as "child-safe", "PG-13", or "no holds barred"?

I can envision a well-scripted indirect TP mechanism, for example, that would ensure that no "child-safe" avatar would TP into a "no holds barred" region.

That would leave SL's "PG" zones as the domain of those who visit just to go to classes, work, or occasionally sightsee on an increasingly empty PG grid.
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As a US citizen, there are a few laws that LL is ignoring in SL that they may wish to address as well:
The drinking age is 21 not 18.
you need a drivers license to drive a vehicle.
You need a pilots license to fly an aircraft, and need to log a flight plan with the FAA.
you need a fishing license to fish anywhere.
you need a hunting license to hunt any animals.
You need a gun permit to buy a gun. Automatic weapons are illegal.
You need to show ID proving you are 21 to enter an adult club, 18 wont cut it.
If you are over the age of 21 and have a sexual relationship with someone 18-20 you can be arrested for statutory rape.
Murder is most definately against the law.
There is a federal minimum wage.. i believe it is $7.50 per hour.. or $2025L per hour.

My point is, if they are going to enforce some laws, they should enforce all of them.

PS: incase you were wondering and to stem any attacks, this post was an exageration. not intended to be taken seriously.
Drake

The only thing they need to be safe from a legal liability perspective is an "I am 18 years or older and I understand that, by stating this, I will be exposed to adult content" form and checkbox on the signup page.

Of course, they pretty much already have this, since SL is an 18+ service anyway.

So, this policy is completely unnecessary, from a legal liability perspective.

If she's looking at the adult keywords page on slapt.me, those aren't candidate words, those are words from some random dictionary of sexually-oriented words. It's not being used by Linden Labs. They're obviously not using any dictionary or they wouldn't have misspelled bestiality.

Oh I'm already PIU Hypatia - my response was more of a hypothetical and related to conversation about using passports and so on to verify with Aristotle. However, despite being an optimistic sort, I don't trust LL one inch any more, and I wouldn't put it past them to put something else in place at some stage.

At the Educators' Brown Bag meeting, JP Linden was quite upfront about it, and I quote:

"The second part, ah, second component of the initiative is going to be an adult verification or age verification method where anybody that wants to get IN to the adult regions is going to have to go through either our - the age verification solution that we’ve been using for some time on a voluntary basis, or have a payment method on file, and if we could think of any other credible way to have sort of a proxy for age verification although we know it’s not infallible we would put that in place as well."

It's the last two lines I don't like - let's hope nobody gives them any ideas!

I wonder if "zoo" is on the list? Heaven forbid they filter be(a)stiality, but not Zoo(philia).

Places search turns up 24 hits for "beastiality" and only 14 for "bestiality", so that's probably not an accident.

Hope Drier is confused. I created that page in the first place. The first word list are words tested and found to be filtered. The second word list is words tested and found to be NOT filtered. We have no knowledge from linden labs about what changes, if any, will be made to the filter list. We can only test for what is being filtered right now using the 1.23 RC client, or using the search page on the SL website.

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Editorial Comments:

I dislike these changes, both philosophically, and financially. But I also recognize there is a lot of momentum within Linden Labs to make them happen. The 1.26 server already has those features running, and the 1.23 client is in the active beta stage.

For now, though I will support any efforts to make them listen and realize this is a stupid thing to do, I also will work to figure out how it actually works, the bugs, loopholes, and workarounds.

I fully expect to see SL escorts hanging around "street corners" in non adult areas, and newbies will get told how to find them,

I expect businesses which sell adult items to have links from their non-adult stores/vendors to third party websites (like SLX pre-linden purchase), where customers can surf their adult items in the built in browser.

I expect some people to get fed up and leave for other grids, and others to fill their place.

I don't expect adult things to vanish from SL. It's obvious we want it, and we will adapt and find a way to have it regardless. If the Linden police get too strict, we will leave and they can find other uses for the servers we are not paying for any more, if they can.

And maybe later this year, we can send a not to Jack and Cyn, and Blondin that reads "We told you so, but you didn't listen. Having a great time at (fill in the grid name), you should check it out, maybe they are hiring"

Daniel

you have a high opinion of yourself , dont you?


REALLY ? You think so? i dont think they will get much business that way.

You dont think that would violate the "adult" standards?

Having spend over $1000 USD in my time here, i can honestly say i wont be leaving. I cant afford to drop another grand into a new "game", and thats all SL is... a GAME.

If you realy believe that LL will be going under because of this, you are sadly mistaken. There will be plenty of people that will stay and suck it up and move.

http://rezzable.com/blog/rightasrain-rimbaud/deleting-our-imagine-ation

HTH

LOL you beat me to it

is the new viewer going to have a three tickbox system like adult mature pg? with adault greyed out to the none verified or will it be more difficult, if so good some sense at last, if not and its more complicated the adault plces are going to struggle.


P.S I have jsut spent my last lindens ever on adault places to support them, I shall from no on only be getting freebies I am boycotting in my own way by not spending another penny in SL unless they change this to a more sensible approach. And I am not wasting anymore of my SL time worrying about this, thank you LL for totally ruining a new persons experience of SL I really appriciate it.

P.P.S May I suggest that a future scheme for new adult bussinesses should be implimented so they can start up for a cheap price and not have to worry about land speculators choking the future of the Adult zone.

P.P.P.S I know boldin said its being fixed BUT REALLY SERIOUSLY FIX THE AVATOR MAKEUP BUG <THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT OR ALL OUR AVATORS ARE GOING TO BE RUINED!!!!!

yay! the updated blog post (http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/second-life-adult-content-changes-how-theyll-affect-you-update-1/?) has made it onto technorati *and* is currently linked to it via a technorati link on the demos site.. http://demos.co.uk/themes/~identity? Seriously cool in my eyes.. (yes, I know I'm a boring person, but demos gets me going (!))

I've also done a post on how to confirm your inworld verification status: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/how-to-test-your-second-life-account-verification-status/?

and of course there's the page with all the protest bits on: http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/protest-against-the-second-life-adult-content-changes/? it has all the different protest stuff I know about.. So whatever you're unhappy about with the changes there's probably something there to reflect it.

and finally..
http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/how-linden-labs-have-gone-ass-over-tit-over-adult-content/?
How LL have managed to catch up the innocents in their clampdown.. Carl Metropolitan is still not happy, I noticed earlier today he'd commented on the jira..

So, feel free to check for inaccuracies in the posts and I'll fix them or send them out to your groups if you feel they'll be useful..

whatever..

and yet again I'll state my agenda: As a customer of LL, I'm interested in getting a fair deal for all those affected by this - primarily the mainland parcel owners.

edited to add: and check out the About Demos page if you fancy a little empowerment.. It is a nice reminder that there are still people out there who don't do the herd thing.

Seriously cool Keep up the great work

Re: Use of outside websites



Nope, if its not in SL, its not adult content in SL. A sign which says "Teleport to our adult products store, or visit this website for more information" is not adult.

Blondin has implied they will use a liberal interpretation of the term "advertising".

If LL goes off site then the TOS changed in a major way and posting of IM's etc off LL servers will have to be banned among other things.

Very interesting legal ground there.

But what I doubt LL wants to see is a web site advertising very adult stuff and sending people to a mature or PG region for live sex acts in a sky box. Clear cut case of a problem because it involves activities that are commercially adult outside of Ursula.

On the other hand I don't think LL will have any legal grounds to do anything about a merchant using words they have chosen to ban off world to properly advertise things for sale in an emotionally mature manner. After all a D/s collar is not sexual at all. Never was. Neither is an ankle chain which is frequently the symbol a submissive wears out to work, etc in real life.

By these standards wedding rings are adult. Linden Lab best get a comprehension on that point real soon now and back off the childish behavior aspects of this issue. Maybe even lose the influences that are making these bad and very immature calls on words before they become a liability.

If someone is abusing keywords to promote banned adult activities off Ursula then get rid of the bad people. And start policing ALL of SL to enforce the existing TOS/CS/rules. Like people abusing the events system. I would love to see LL suddenly become ethical and stop allowing some people to consistently break rules.

Oh look Ursula is a bot:

http://www.floridarobotics.com/ursula.htm

This is why I'm annoyed about the word "Gorean" being flagged. Gorean silks might be considered sexy, but come on, was this ever considered adult:

I've been watching the vote count pretty closely the last couple of days, and I don't recall seeing it approach 3000 yet. Unfortunately, the vote does seem to be running out of gas and slowing down quite a bit. As of 4:47pm PDT, the tally is now at 2434.

Even if you weren't expecting way too much consistency out of LL (or any company), you're missing one difference between this and offsite posting of IMs: The advertising is offsite, but the content isn't.

Thats the thing. They have made the words Gor and Gorean adult (which have no meaning to the uninformed anyway) to specifically target and hide that community, but how long before they go after other words to describe Gorean roleplay. I will not list any examples as I do not wish to help them form their list of adult words.

The problem (well, one of them) is there's no distinction between PG and Mature.

While one can make the argument that many of the filtered terms are too much for PG eyes, anyone who elects to see "Mature" results should be able to handle "bosoms".