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Shame on you! Couldbe, you got the nun outfit and the yardstick ready?



Well, in any case, it doesn't help anything to *call* her that. It'll just stir her up if she reads it and get her commenting again. We don't want *that* do we? It'll be bad enough when she figures out that because "gor" is a filtered search term, they'll have to find other words to describe their stuff- like "native american"

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I know it since March, 12, 2009

Well, that explains the whole "fruit loops" effect- it must have seemed like Multiple-personality-disorder!

Me, I suffer from multiple *body* disorder to go with the MPD

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While I agree in principle, there's also the old adage "Give me the strength to change the things I can, the grace to accept the tings I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference"


Sometimes, the time for change hasn't come around, or the person faced with the choice isn't strong enough to effect it, or they're saving their energy for a more important fight.

It is up to each person to decide for themselves how to deal with what life throws at them, and while we can argue and try to convince, ultimately, we have to accept their decision.

But, that doesn't give them the right to decide things for the rest of us.


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Since the announcement on 12 March, although I wasn't quick enough to read the original FAQ before they were pulled. Between then and now, I've read every single forum post in every one of the Further Conversation threads, which is a sad and tragic thing, because a) I don't feel much wiser for all that reading, and b) I'm now so time-poor I no longer have a life - any life!

I did not intend to suggest that anyone was exempt from anything... my point was the end user is the person responsible for their own safety anywhere on the net. SL is not that different from the real world in that there are things surrounding each and every one of us that can or may offend our own sensibilities. We protect ourselves by avoiding such places, or running like hell when we encounter danger. I am like you... I like to see things safer, not so wild or wooly, and to make sure my SL experience meets my preferences, I avoid places and things that I would find not to my taste. I agree with the INTENT of the whole adult content thing, I just think it could be presented better by LL, and implemented without causing so much grief to some people. Actually from time to time, it sounds like LL is processing a grid-wide griefer attack on their own users. I have not done a count to see how many individuals the threads on this matter have involved.. the number of posts is meaningless as several individuals have posted several times, but I don't think there are tens of thousands of people expressing dismay on this matter, YET. Who knows what will happen when the 'fit hits the shan' and the whole userbase becomes aware of the inevitable changes.

Dari, let me ask you this... Do you think your products represent "intensely violent acts" or "expressly sexually themed content"? I don't think so. And neither does Blondin Linden, because he explicitly stated thats stores like yours are mature. Yet, if you describe your products, honestly, in parcel description, your parcel magically becomes adult only, and you need to mark your sim appropriately. Do you see any logic in that? I don't.

Of course, in your case you'll just flip one flag in estate properties, for some of us it means our businesses will be torn apart and moved from a nice mixed *mature* neighborhood to a crowded loud adult ghetto. Thousands of landmarks and profile picks invalidated in the process *). All because *someone* decided what *words* are adult and what words are not.

Who is responsible for the list of blacklisted keywords? Who decides what words become blacklisted and what not, on what grounds?



*) As for landmarks, like I said earlier, I believe in the next announcement Lindens will come with several cheap technical solutions to make the Ursula exodus smoother, to shut the masses up. Changing existing landmarks will probably be one of them (I'm not a database expert, it will take, like, one db query?).

Well, I thank you for the compliment!
like I said- by all means say whatever you like- I was just trying to suggest a possibly more productive tack to take in your arguments.

Believe me, I understand the whole "finding your fingers typing something" situation! Happens to me all the time, usually in political discussions with my friends here in the states

The situation with LL is not easy to deal with- To me it represents a fundamental unfairness, as well as a harm to their customers. I enjoy Second Life quite a bit, and I have friends and loved ones who are trying to set up a business here, and every time LL does something like this, they crack the foundations of the SL economy a little more. So I try to help my friends and loved ones by arguing with LL about their poor decision-making skills.

I hope that we both get a little of what we want out of this. I don't hold out *much* hope of it, but I have a little bit left

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if you don't like it find another thread...BLONDIN diected us here to continue the discussion...back off ok
I'm trying not to be pissed but I'm close to the edge...so shut the mouth don't be a jerk

QFT and seconded

This is a main factor we are now considering in moving forward and if we are many others will to I am sure.

I will not leave SL because of friends etc, but we may well scale back again drastically to just a presence in SL as my wife sells her things here, but after the move to the Adult land i can drop back to a smaller area in mature without any problems whatsoever and just have a board advertising the RL website etc. again if I can do it others will for sure

Given how often this already happens, I think it's only going to be a matter of time before someone here is in the middle of doing the nasty with a twelve-meter ogre, full attachments included, clothing not an option, when the sim crashes. Upon being unceremoniously dumped back to desktop, the viewer dumps that person's prefs, and the next time he or she logs back on, that person, in all his or her naked glory, will land in the middle of Miss Glenn's fourth grade class field trip at a PG infohub.

Don't laugh. This sort of thing happens already. In fact, it happens so frequently that I have a special LM on my Mystitool that whisks me off to a safe place outside of my home (crashed) sim where I can recompose myself, and pray that I can get the hell out of the infohub before someone AR's me.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The plan is a noble one. The execution, however, is ghastly. What's worse is that, despite the tens of thousands of posts practically *begging* LL to take a step back and re-evaluate the way they're going about this, they still insist on barreling through, balls to the wall, brakes not an option. This is a runaway train, off its track, barreling straight toward a population center, with a lone madman at the controls yelling "YEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!"

PS: And NK *is* bonkers. Not for taking a stand and defending it, which I respect; but for repeatedly demonstrating her ability to deep-throat her own foot in the process.

As if necroposters weren't enough, now we have neoposters

Not everyone lives in Britain, and yes your legal system may indeedn aquit you of any charges, providing you fork out some cash for a good defense or you could just have faith in the governments appointed one I suppose. Add all the days missed from work & RL affairs to that, then for the cherry on top ad the media holding their own kangaroo court first splashing your picture and name across the national news.

Yes i think they should, but let me explain my thoughts

On the Slapt.me wiki we have a page called "SL Verification (Age & Payment) - Issues and Information"

This page has so far 2 dead peoples details on it that Aristotle recognizes. Please feel free to add others as you come across them

Aristotle only asks for "TRUE" information and *NOT* that the information is yours.

LL gets a token back back from from Aristotle to say the details entered are correct and is happy with that and verifies the account, based on the "TRUE" information given.

Now I do not know if you can enter information of a US person if you live outside the USA but I would imagine you can as Aristotle is just checking that the information is "TRUE" and not doing a geographical IP check on you.

If everyone does this and passes this information to their friends, groups and anyone that cannot verify as they do not want to use their personal and private data, this will send a message to LL that system is flawed and as Aristotle claims not to retain the data that is sent (they just use it to check and send the token to LL) LL will have NO idea who has verified with data that is not their own.

So lets use the system LL has put in place to verify ourselves and then when/if it comes back and bites LL in the Ass later they will only have themselves to blame for advocating using a flawed system in the first place.

If you find any other names you can use please place them on this page for others to use also.

Me too. Except I've pretty much just gone back to real life instead.

I was badly burned by the Open Space debacle -- felt that I'd just lit real money on fire and watched it burn after that announcement -- then this. From what I can tell, just because I don't own a big adult business, my M rated mainland won't qualify for a swap. I can't get a clear answer as to whether it even *needs* a swap of course, but I get the message clearly that because I'm not a big business I don't matter. Which is why I'm tiering down and looking to my RL for entertainment. Why should I pay for this virtual craziness? I hear knitting is a nice pastime these days, and does not require tier.

I've also rediscovered going out to local civic events. Thank you, maybe, LL, for making my life a bit healthier by driving me away!

And then the logical thing to do would be create a new PG continent where these future residents could be attracted and feel comfortable.

I feel so miserable about this. I don't run an adult business so therefore when this change happens i can see no alternative but to abandon the game.

K

I did that yesterday for nearly the same reasons. I hold my building/design plot where I will probably feature my RL-Biz too - and I hold a fashion/furniture shop with a good friend in a nice area.

All in all ~56000sqm I made radical #8040FE (purple) by hitting the abandon-button. I hope they choke on it.

Me is fed up since weeks and I stopped to feed LL's mismanagement and impertinence.

If they bring back the freedom to be as spontaneous as I want on specific land wich I bought once from LL (well, rented from LL, me idiot, because I trusted their slogan), then - and only then - I will think new, but if not, then not.

As said yesterday, hehehe, my this years SL-budget goes now into another US-american product: a perfect classy PRS-guitar. There I know that I get 100% quality and a guarantee and a extraordinaire friendly quality-international-service and the freedom to play on it what I want in any meaning, metaphorical seen.

Am I right to understand it will become impossible for non-USA citizens to honestly age-verify after this change?

I'm not interesting in cheating, i just want to be myself and verify my age so that i can operate as an adult human being. I really don't care if there is some way to pretend im someone else without breaking Aristotle's TOS because if that's the only way to age-verify then im leaving to find somewhere else to play.

K

You are a better man than I am Wynochee! Either that or you need the money less than me- I'd *have* to try to sell off (with full disclosure,of course). It must have been pretty satisfying to click that button.

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It will depend upon the laws in your country of residence. Some places have literal *laws* against using your ID numbers as Identification for any other purpose, and Aristotle asks for some doozies.

LOrd Sullivan has verified though, and he's an expatriate brit living in Amsterdam- so if he can do it, there should be a work-around for you too.

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No this is what we're getting now. LL have said sex beds can be sold on mature land, but you can't use the term sex bed to advertise so now people will use what? "Adult animations bed" or something like that?

Anything BDSM or Gorean related will flick the adult content switch, even though items like clothing are far from being extreme sexual content, so people will need to find different keywords to stay on mature land.

LL don't actually have an issue of sex related ads having non adult terms, that's what they want, they don't want the explicit sexual terms appearing. If everyone had been using non adult terms for sex ads then it's highly unlikely we'd be having this discussion.

Sorry, I should have said PG and Mature. It will still have the same effect on adult listings though, that was why I asked if Linden will be making an effort to let people know there is other content out there they can enjoy if they verify. I will change it.

An interesting but unimportant side note. I set my preference to PG and relogged and the PG setting stuck and I was dropped off at Governor Linden's Mansion rather than my own sim which is currently flagged Mature.

That's interesting, I set my pref to PG/Mature/Adult and it didn't stick, it was PG/Mature on next login.

Thats correct but I did use my passport number when it first came out and as yet I have not had these details compromised in anyway. Here in Holland though everyone wants a copy of your passport from opening a bank account to applying for a job and again in all that time no details have ever been compromised.