RC Questions

If I may...

If this thread was strictly for the discussion of the current release candidate, then it has been posted to the wrong forum.

The idea was that we'd discuss issues for adult content related to the viewer. The alternative was that LL just closed the last thread and left the discussion for a couple of weeks.

Kind of reminds me of what the city of Boston did. First they created an adult entertainment district, making a small part of the city the only area where adult business were allowed to be. Then they refused to actually license any new adult businesses even there. Plus the district was located near downtown, meaning that the real estate was expensive enough that only an extraordinarily successful adult business had a chance of making a go of it anyway.

The availability of adult islands will put an upper bound on what land on Ursula will be worth. But it's still a much higher price point than the current land market.

The reason Jack Linden hasn't seen this reflected in support calls and tickets is that those are not appropriate mechanisms for commenting on policy changes. Support calls and tickets are designed for response to INDIVIDUAL problems. Public forums are the right mechanism for commenting on PUBLIC problems, and that's what people have been doing.

The 1.23.0 RC (now withdrawn) had problems with a lot of other preferences not being retained as well, so this was probably a bug rather than a misguided feature. For example, the Linux version -- I never tried the other platforms -- always gave the Quit confirmation dialog even if you checked the box that told it not to.

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Its too important to get abandoned!

We must also factor in greater uncertainty going forward.

Whether or not one agrees with this particular policy (in whole or in part), its implementation has been a customer service disaster. Inworld investors will reflect upon the growing history of policy mistakes and implementation failures and assign an increasingly negative weight to Linden Lab's executive and managerial abilities. Moreover, Linden Lab is bleeding 'Goodwill', which in a symbol-driven economy is a company's most valuable asset.

very well said

don't you dare delete it.. /me wags a finger at you

Originally Posted by Darien Caldwell
People seem to have lost perspective. Second Life isn't an alternate universe. It's a service run on computers in the Real World. Real World Rules, Real World Values, Real World Laws, all apply to Linden Lab.

if that is the case, then we can all sue LL for breaking the anti-segregation laws in the US that passed OVER 40 years ago...

on another note ... did anyone else notice that jack linden starts his comment with the gorean greeting "Tal"?

funny that. wonder if he is moving to Ursula.
Drake

Sure a lot of us noticed it. The Gorean community is so intertwined and part of Second Life that nobody batted an eyelid at it.

Hi! I'm the founder of the Gender Transgressors group, which is not defined by or devoted to any kind of sexual activity or "adult content". Just want to say that it is a mistake to suppose that a person describing themselves as "ladyboy" is advertising sexual services or is saying anything in particular about sexual behavior.

So please take "ladyboy" off the list of terms that signal adult content to the search filter, and don't restrict ladyboys and their titles from any part of SL in the future.

The use of the term "ladyboy" seems to come from Thailand. In Thailand I commonly heard Thai speakers of English use the term "ladyboy" as translation for the Thai word "kathhuey" which is not in any way indecent. It simply means a female person, born with a male body, and nevertheless adopting female conventions of appearance and occupying a female social role.

I know the term "ladyboy" is also used in fetish and porn contexts. But the words "huge", "tight", "shoes", "a", "an", and "the" are also used in fetish and porn contexts.

LL, I am sure you will want to fix this goof.

Some of you will be seeing me at office hours.

This quote from the Matrix starting arriving in their inboxes, and popping up in-world?

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Dear Linden Labs,

I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

certainly there's a fear we'll refuse to go to ursula.. then their choice is to either ban us or try to pretend it isn't happening lol

Yes, this was the first thing I noticed. It's look like some conspiracy theory

on the other hand, here is the gift to all LL staff:



should be signed as "Your customers"

The problem is that LL still thinks this way:
"Our brilliant innovative ideas are great, just our customers suck."
"Find the adult merchant and I will find the paragraph."

I'll bet Talarus picked that name in the secret hope of making a quote like this happen some day!

Upon seeing the original reflection from Jack Linden I took the opportunity to open a trouble ticket under the category of feedback. I referred to te comment from Jack as the reason I opened the ticket to voice my concerns. Here is the answer I got back

[Ticket has been closed
Comment(s):

Hi there Ryuu,

We do appreciate your feedback on this topic, however we would ask that you use the discussion thread on the forum to voice your opinion.

Please continue to review the blog too, as any new information or announcemnts on the upcoming changes to adult content will be posted their first.

Best regards,

Harry Linden]

It sure looks like the story about the Nursing school you told Ceera. The just don't want to hear it. Well they are going to as I reopened the ticket with more comment and I will continue to do so until give me a straight answer. I honestly can't tolerate oppression, it's Un-American. And let there be no doubt, this is oppression.

Well there has always been the rumor that LL would eventually shut down SL as it has proved it's point that VR environments can be used to conduct business. The idea that they will make their real money selling services creating custom VR environments. The thing is, if it is in response to not getting these corporate and educational customers to come into SL then it shows a commitment to turning SL itself into the VR environment they want to sell to these customers. If indeed this is the case then they see those customers still as the ultimate clients they want to serve and we can all piss off as we will have served our purpose and helped them demonstrate proof of concept about the effectiveness of VR environments.

Maybe we should get on our knees and collectively kiss the feet of LL for even making an effort to give us a way to stay isl. It would be so easy to just shut it down. Ahhh but wait, if they lose us, then they lose the masses these corporations and educational institutions are hoping to reach through their purchase of Sims isl. Mmmm seems LL actually does need us but don't want us to know they know this. I'm thinking BOYCOTT.

OK! I'll say it.

*"People have no right to a sex free SL?" *



They do have rights to sex free areas tho.
And sex filled areas too.
Sorry I couldn't resist.


To people on both sides of the issue:
Lets try not to over generalize.
It tends to lead to odd interpretations of what was said.
And lots of irrelevant side topics.
Like my deliberate miss interpretation of sex free SL to mean no sex any where in SL.
This also applies to when reading others posts, we should try not to assume they mean more then they say.

Lets try to get what is going to get implemented whether we like it or not fixed so it works right (right as in correctly, sensibly and not broken).

Some of the real issues are getting burred in all the side topics.
And please no comments/quote that my plea to stay on topic is off topic.
((And I will NOT respond to any such coments.))


PS. No offense to anyone in particular, I just picked the most recent generalization/sideTopic I saw.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-2727?

2248 votes and counting UP UP UP

#2 JIRA issue, soon to be #1, of 3621 issues

Linden Labs has been on an express quest to institute an "Adult Content" filtering and segregation system. Linden Labs(LL) calms that there is a "Small Percentage" of residents that wish this feature. But instead of providing a "Small Area" for these people to hide from the adult content, LL has instead decided to turn the SL world upside down by instituting

1) A segregated continent were all mainland parcel holders will be banished to should they wish to continue providing adult service
2) Instituted Adult Search filtering without publishing a list of those key words that would flag a classified ad as adult
3) Requiring "Age Verification" without having a tested and Universally acceptable method of verification
4) Once Verified, a user Still needs to Turn On adult content in order to get a complete and fair listing of classified
5) Provided No way for a resident to have Both Adult material, and Non-adult material in the same parcel or sim without having the whole sim flaged as adult
6) Provided no Clear and definitive definition as to what constitutes "Adult Content"
7) Not providing technical means for age verification for Dutch users (and possibly citizens of other countries).

As has been demonstrated the vast MAJORITY or SL residence do not want this instituted. Yet LL seems hell bent on shoving this down all our throats. Alternatives have been offered that would be far less disruptive to the community as a whole. They include

1) Marking prims or walls as "Adult" or "Private" so that those viewers that are not "Adult Verified" or "Allowed Access" can not See or Hear through them, and could not transport inside them. This would not only SOLVE the adult content problem, but would offer true privacy to SL residence
2) Make a "G" rated only continent where non-adult verified residence would be limited to.

These two simple things could be instituted very easily, the second one being the easiest.

This request is for Linden Labs to Stop all further and future Implementation of any Adult Filtering or Migration of Adult Vendors on Mainland, until such time as a well thought out, effective, non-disruptive and acceptable plan, as agreed upon by the Majority of the Second Life Community.

Understand that I am not saying LL should not have some sort of way for those that are not Morally or Mentally capable of viewing adult material, to be able to protect themselves. What I am proposing that LL come up with a way to do it that will be Minimally disruptive and acceptable to the vast majority of residence that like SL the way it is.

I thank you all for your Comments and Votes, Please remember that this is Not a public forum for the discussion of the adult content issue, but rater a technical and procedural request for adjustment, clarification and institution of a service that would benefit the SL community as a whole. Please reframe from Flaming or Fighting, but provide useful and constructive comments only

Are you shure they come to the office hours? I guess theyre pants are full and they avoid their presence inworld.

Yeah dear LL staff, as a german saw means; so as you call into the forest so it comes back!

If you have not seen it already, there is a JIRA for this at . If your group has not had a notice sent about the JIRA yet that woud be a good idea too.

It wouldn't just be *nice* to give mature mainland owners the option of moving to adult mainland. It would be the closest thing to what those customers are currently paying for, and pretty much to only way to nip a class-action suit for breach of contract in the bud.

It would be a perfect butt-cover for LL, and I'm very surprised that their legal department hasn't told them this, considering the spanking they got in court over the whole "ever changing at our whim TOS" thing.

Not for nothing LL, but you really need to take another look at this policy with an eye towards practicalities, liabilities, and whether it does what you want it to do.

You've been given a *bunch* of better ideas by the few residents that know about this. Why aren't you responding to that?

^V^

If someone owns mature mainland, on which they can do pretty much anything they like, including set up a sex bed in a shanty and hang out a shingle as a mini-brothel, then that is what they *paid* for, and if LL is taking that away from them, then they should either be given something equivalent to what they purchased, or be given their money back.

It doesn't matter whether it is currently "sexed up" or not. it has the *potential* to be sexed up if the owner wishes. That is a feature of the land which made it desirable, and part of the reason why the owner bought it.

It would be the same as if LL sold or rented you a piece of lakefront property in RL, and then drained the lake.
It wouldn't matter if you were *using* the lake- it was a fundamental characteristic of the land, and removing it changes the terms of the contract.

Since LL would be to party that unilaterally changed the terms of the contract, LL would be the party liable to provide relief to the other party of the contract.

Seems like black-letter law to me. And the TOS doesn't protect them. A judge has already ruled that such a one-sided relationship as a "we can change anything we like, whenever we like" TOS doesn't protect a company from being liable to uphold the terms of the contract that the other party agreed to *originally*.

LL got spanked on that in the land-bot case.

You'd think that they would make an effort to keep from getting slammed again in court.

^V^

Not tough for me, i hope some people start getting booted for being off topic, but that probably won't happen since LL is so *damn tolerant*.

I had my angst because LL was ignoring an important question. It's very foolhardy to say i'm 'no longer affected'. I am, more than most. However, I"m at least grown-up enough to understand what is going on, and smart enough to not try to stop it. Be very careful what you ask for, you may just get it. And it will be a sad day for us all if some here get what they want.

The discussion of the RC, yes.