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Sure same in UK, everyone wants to see your passport number. I hope it's not illegal to use that because i do that all the time: e.g. booking into a hotel.

K

/me gets out the hair shirt and wags a threatening finger at Sindy...

As a sim owner that suddenly is offering Adult content when I thought it had been Mature and would easily be considered mature, I have no choice but to now focus on trying to adapt and look for solutions to things. I had my rant of displeasure and still wish they would not go through with the plan as it is now, but I must also have myself prepared for the implementation of the new policies and am testing the new viewer so I can better understand how my "suddenly adult" sim will fare.

All of us who have adult land will be the only places in SL where one can expect a predictable experience. PG and Mature regions will still be the unpredictable areas. I don't think the plan has been completely thought out by LL and it certainly does not match with the PR spin they are throwing to us.

I still think all avenues must be considered and I am willing to try to find some sort of compromise the Lindens could accept while still achieving their goals.

It was a good, kind of liberating feeling. After awaking today and still feeling fine with it, I know now that it is ok for me. It was the right step at the right time.

And depending on LL's behavior, I let all future options open.

To trust in them again, would need much efforts for them to establish an environment in wich trust and money can be invested.

It was no "biz-land", so I lost no L$ income. I've had there some art-galleries and some other design elements and buildings/developements. Just to enjoy the style and the opportunities to make whatever I want. Sometimes I sold some of my artwork there. So it was not established for only money reasons. Just another platform for developement and expression it was for me. Since Ursula is on the table I was sure, that not all of my work were further safe on that land. I never know what comes to my mind in the next moment. I need freedom for my creations but also a not crowded, nice environment.

And no lag.

This would not be sure on Ursula, I think. And I would not expect to get the same quality of land again there.

Beside this: no matter if I do just a black square in Malevich style or something grungy and kind of alternative or explicite with human bodies or parts of the human body-landscape. Or whatever inspiration can infect me from one second to another per day or phase. In former times I had sometimes students from the University of Applied Arts Vienna as private models and some of that later special arranged and edited material I loaded up for the galleries (logical with permission of the models - they make sometimes some extra money for their studies with modeling).

It is not fun to see that under a risk to be arbitrarily AR'd, or nerved by a "G-team" or being moved elsewhere into a "zone" or whatever.

So all is back in the inventory and LL has now something back for their famous land auctions. The new "governor" can now think about what to do with that land. Me is at this specific point relaxed - because that is not my problem what they do with empty hard disks.

But I still support any sort of protest and suggestions for changing LL's plan into something better. For principle reasons.

In the UK the verification does seem to check for a valid postcode, but only seems to check that you have entered some text in the ID field. With a little imagination you can enter text in the id field which is not your passport number but not false information either.

Matthew

Yes I got the same result. PG seems to stick. PG and Mature seems to stick, and PG/Mature/Adult reverts to PG/Mature on the next login. I hope that is a bug and not intentional.

**edit** I went to the Adult info hub in Arapaima and relogged and my settings still reverted to PG/Mature and was logged in to a Mature infohub.

*rimshot*

I updated the blog post with the information that Blondin gave me after he had a look at it and the things Jack and Cyn said during the press conference.

I made it a new post as I wanted to keep the old one for posterity..

so, here it is.

http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/second-life-adult-content-changes-how-theyll-affect-you-update-1/?


any feedback on inconsistencies and errors is appreciated.

"Reasonable belief" is still a common law defence in Australia too, although the Crown is duty bound to try to disprove it. Public identification is unlikely to be a major issue, because names would be suppressed on the grounds that the case involves a minor.

Of course, I'm talking about your everyday, run-of-the-mill case, whereas the press would have a field day with a story that emanated from SL.

Observations on RC 1.23.118378 (Mac)
1) Rating selection in Preferences has to be made at every login (i.e. defaults to PG and Mature on logoff).

2) 'Are you sure you want to quit?' message comes up randomly on logoff, despite the 'Don't show me this again' box being checked'. I thought this might be happening only after login with an alt, but not so - sometimes it happens, sometimes not. However, it appears more likely to happen if you logoff before teleporting anywhere - but see 3)

3) Ditto 'Are you sure you want to teleport?' message.

DanielRavenNest is doing some tests on these, because results are not consistent. For example, he appears to be able to get preferences to persist with a verified account but not with one that is unverified, whereas all my alts are PIU and I can't get the preference to hold (however, I'm also a Mac user, which might be relevant).

Anyone else get the popups, either all the time or randomly?

the current release candidate was yanked anyway so testing it is probably a time waster on anything other than search behavior since that is primarily on the back end except for the preference flags that apparently accompany the query request each time.

And based on what I saw it is all based on region rating which makes sense. All that matters now is the "swindlers list" of words and how will we be notified if a word that is OK to use today is on the swindlers list tomorrow leaving us open to being banned for using a word in an ad that was ok when the ad was placed.

Looks like a bug, the "safe hub" and adult rating stuck on our login attempt.

There are settings for adult search but apparently not the account type itself being stored client side, so either they aren't storing it right in their db or aren't getting the message across properly at login time. That's definitely something they'll need to make more reliable before they let this thing out of RC

The popups problem is in the release notes, up top, as a known issue. The problem with only some accounts remembering their maturity ratings is not listed.

You might want to take the part about you being an adult out from under your name. You might get AR'd for false advertising.

That is an EXCELLENT and informative post!

LL needs to do a forced pop-up on login for 100% of all users, just like they do when a major change is made to the TOS or Community Standards, linking to an official page with similar information!

I'm more than a bit puzzled by this. From my memory of what Aristotle were asking me for when age verification first came out -- when I refused to do it -- they're not asking us Brits for anything like the information they originally wanted.

I've just successfully verified too, using my post code and passport number, but I'm not at all sure how -- if at all -- they managed to connect the two pieces of information.

There's no way I can think of they could connect my passport number to my address without someone at the Passport Agency (or a third party to whom I've given my passport number) conspiring with them to break British data protection laws.

My name and post code on their own should be enough, I would have thought, because those, together, would identify me to a credit reference agency, who will have my date of birth on file (I'm not on the publicly searchable edition of the electoral register).

I'll wager that they don't actually link your passport number to you, I asked the passport agency about this at the time and they told me Integrity Aristotle are not authorised to check this information.

Of course now you've provided them with the number they can sell their service to someone else and verify against that number but UK passport numbers change on renewal so this isn't a long term process.

You'll have been verified by name and address.

Here is the info on the British Passport validation service:
http://www.ips.gov.uk/identity/working-pvs.asp

Sorry but they do (sort of) share your data with the private sector financial institutions etc. As in someone submits info and they respond with an indicator suggesting the reliability of the submitted data.

So whatever iron clad data privacy laws you guys thought you had were just rumors.

Politics and money open all privacy locks.

LOL i have said this in the past in another thread when someone asked as i wondered how my passport details were confirmed over here in Holland and the bank told me they can confirm certain things from the UK passport office. That is why when I verified I had to use my old UK address with my passport as it didn't recognize the fact I lived in Holland.

The Brits like to think their data is safe but the passport office does pimp certain information out for a fee to bodies that they feel are trustworthy or fill in a form to say they are and pay the fee

Well, I'd probably be cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I'll leave SL before I give passport or driver's licence information to a company that's not even in my country (and the number of organisations here that can legally request that information is very small).

I know there's an argument that so much personal information gets shared around the world these days that it doesn't matter anymore, but personally I don't see that as a reason to succumb to it. Much as I love SL, if push came to shove, then retaining a level of privacy that I feel comfortable with is far more important than accessing a virtual reality.

They don't part with any personal information, so someone asking if a passport number is correct are told yes it is, but they aren't told it's for the person verifying.

The UK passport agency rather strangely also point out that a passport is not an identity document.

Integrity verify you in seconds, they aren't checking these numbers, they have no access to the info.

I thought it was at 3000+ now ..... but it is at 2353 votes. Did that many people unvote it?

According to that, though, That is, all they will tell Aristotle, if someone from Aristotle is minded to make a phone call, is if it's the number of a valid UK passport, not whose it is or how old they are.

Offhand. my bank and my solicitor are the only people I can think of who would be in a position to tie my name to my passport number, because I've had to give them both that information in the course of various financial transactions, and they would be breaking the law if they gave that out without my permission.

So, I think, would anyone who bought the information from Aristotle. People trading that sort of information get our anti-money-laundering and anti-terrorist people rather upset.

And via phone - so the only way the Aristotle service could use this is if someone from Aristotle phones through with your entered details before the verification can succeed!

Anyway from discussions with others who have verified in the UK, the verification only checks that

a) the postcode entered matches the address entered (as postcode is not a required field those having had trouble verifying in the UK are typical those who do not enter a postcode).
b) if you are in the 60% (or so) on the public electoral register or a registered director checking the name matches the address
c) it is the LL form forcing you to add some data in the passport/drivers license/id field, but it doesn't seem to matter what text you actually put into that field

Matthew

Go to the SLapt wiki and put yourself down in the section for people who have either teired down or left sl. That section is blank so far, even though several people have said they have done the same thing. Rezzable, for instance. They're gone now.