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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Blondin Linden
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04-03-2009 11:16
From: Argent Stonecutter
I think he said his commute home is 4 hours, and I assume he doesn't post while driving.


It is a little difficult to post while on the road.
Kalderi Tomsen
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04-03-2009 11:27
From: Nexus Burbclave
If my understanding of the prevailing definitions is correct, many legitimate support groups like AA would be considered mature charities/ngos as they necessarily confront issues of a mature nature e.g. addiction and its negative consequences.

That said, I kind of share your trepidation regarding adult charity examples. :)
it is my understanding that this is completely not the case, and I'd be very curious on what statements by LL you have based this decision, because if so, there has been a MAJOR contradiction somewhere.

The original statement was that it was about places where explicit publicly-available sex and extreme violence take place. Things like this may well be rated "mature" but not be forced to move to the adult continent because they are not adult.

Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote...
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04-03-2009 11:34
From: Skatoulaki Nakamori
Not to mention...what is a "qualifying MAINLAND resident"? And hey, does that mean we're going to need to buy the new land??? Or is it a free swap for the land we have on the mainland??? Questions...questions...and more questions:(


As was quoted previously in the thread the land will be in a meter for meter swap for qualifying residents that will have to move with no extra charges, Qualifying Mainland residents they haven't formally announced although i imagine that will be free sex areas and there will probably be pre conditions attached so that people don't just jump on the band wagon as some have said they would here just to get a free move lol I wouldn't imagine LL will give to many details in this area just yet for that reason.
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04-03-2009 11:38
From: Nexus Burbclave
If my understanding of the prevailing definitions is correct, many legitimate support groups like AA would be considered mature charities/ngos as they necessarily confront issues of a mature nature e.g. addiction and its negative consequences.

That said, I kind of share your trepidation regarding adult charity examples. :)


Please point me to definitions that LL said that groups such as AA etc. would be considered Adult in nature and therefore fall under the Adult continent move, i am intrigued as to how you reached this conclusion. :)
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Blondin Linden
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04-03-2009 11:44
From: Mystique Chambers
Blondin

Another question, please.

We are busy on our end trying to formulate this move. Planning and planning. Trying to think of the best ways of moving 1/2 a sims worth of buildings and items. It isn't going to be something that is going to be done overnight. I work full-time in the real world so my time is limited. Is there a grace period for this move, this transfer. Or are we expected to pull everything up in one day and sort it out on this new land?

I just couldn't do it that way. I would just give up before even trying. We are talking of thousands of items. Not to mention lots of items belonging to different people. Are we going to be allotted time for this move along with a grace period on our tier?


You won't be expected to do it all in one day. You'll have time.
Kalderi Tomsen
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04-03-2009 11:45
Lord, I read it that way first, but let's be specific: They may be mature, as the poster said, but my understanding is that they will not be adult and will not be affected by this change. If someone else can point me to something a Linden has said that contradicts that, I'd like to see it.

This new place is for non-private places (i.e. not available to regular residents) that have explicit sexual content and/or extreme violence. yes, the definitions are hazy, but an Alcoholics Anonymous charity doesn't fall into either, unless the meetings are a lot more action-packed than I thought!
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04-03-2009 11:48
From: Lord Sullivan
Please point me to definitions that LL said that groups such as AA etc. would be considered Adult in nature and therefore fall under the Adult continent move, i am intrigued as to how you reached this conclusion. :)

They aren't. There are AA & NA groups in SL, both are listed as "not mature".
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Klang Wopat
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What about communities of multiple parcels?
04-03-2009 11:50
I sort of run a community of multiple parcel owners, each of whom is a premium member, and each of whom has one 512 sq. m. parcel. Through a little planning and judicious land buys, we've all been able to arrange contiguous parcels on a very pleasant waterfront bluff in Whitlow. We've done this because all we want to do is have a NICE PARK, and NOT PAY ANY TIER.

We don't have a group and we don't expect any special treatment where we are now.

My question is, when the big land swap takes place, how can we ensure that we all end up in the same contiguous configuration in the same very nice and very pricey waterfront setting?

This is an issue for several longtime SL residents who have banded together to do this.
Kalderi Tomsen
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04-03-2009 11:52
From: Klang Wopat
I sort of run a community of multiple parcel owners, each of whom is a premium member, and each of whom has one 512 sq. m. parcel. Through a little planning and judicious land buys, we've all been able to arrange contiguous parcels on a very pleasant waterfront bluff in Whitlow. We've done this because all we want to do is have a NICE PARK, and NOT PAY ANY TIER.

We don't have a group and we don't expect any special treatment where we are now.

My question is, when the big land swap takes place, how can we ensure that we all end up in the same contiguous configuration in the same very nice and very pricey waterfront setting?

This is an issue for several longtime SL residents who have banded together to do this.
Klang, as I understand it, only those people who have content that are rated "Adult" will get the offer to move. If some of you are, and some of you aren't, then it looks like you will get split up.... or was that not your question?
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Sindy Tsure
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04-03-2009 11:54
From: Klang Wopat
This is an issue for several longtime SL residents who have banded together to do this.

It's been asked a bunch of times what help people will get if they have a neighborhood type build where people want to move together.. The only thing they've said is that they're not going to help move complex builds - not sure if this means we're all going to end up in random places or not..

I'd also like some info on how land will be allocated. First come, first served on parcel choices? Preference by amount of land owned? Random? Bribery?
Nexus Burbclave
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04-03-2009 11:55
From: Lord Sullivan
Please point me to definitions that LL said that groups such as AA etc. would be considered Adult in nature and therefore fall under the Adult continent move, i am intrigued as to how you reached this conclusion. :)


I reached the conclusion that they are mature but not adult based on what has been said throughout these threads. But the fact that we still don't have a consensus on these things is why I would like to see some concrete examples provided by Linden Lab along with the policy announcement. :)

Edit, to clarify what I concluded a bit.
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04-03-2009 12:00
From: Klang Wopat

My question is, when the big land swap takes place, how can we ensure that we all end up in the same contiguous configuration in the same very nice and very pricey waterfront setting?
Create a group, put all your land in the group, and join all the parcels together.
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04-03-2009 12:04
From: Argent Stonecutter
Create a group, put all your land in the group, and join all the parcels together.
And put a huge collection of XXX-Extreme-Hardcore pose balls in the middle, so you'll qualify...
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Minx Eisenhart
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04-03-2009 12:10
From: Couldbe Yue

yes, do that.

Paypal have a very explicit exclusion of any company that deals in adult content. Which is partly why XSL has two sites and you cannot use paypal to buy from the uncensored.

Strictly speaking paypal should pull the pin on the agreement it has with LL as LL are facilitating the violation of this agreement.

So, feel free to write to paypal and remind them of this. Just make sure that if you have paypal on your account that you have a different payment method available to you if you do.





From: Lindal Kidd
The hell I can't. I transfer money from PayPal to XStreet and buy from the uncensored list all the time.

And you know what? If LL can shoot themselves in the foot over this, so can I. I'm damn well GOING to write to PayPal. For one thing, I don't agree with their "no adult content" policy, and if they choose to lose my business by enforcing it on LL, it serves both of them right.


So becouse your upset with lL your going to hamper 1,000's of users ability to buy or sell Lindens?. I rely on Paypal for the sale of my lindens.
but becouse a few people are mad at LL over this for damaging people SL experance your going to make sure to damge the SL experance for those of us that wish too go on.
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Kara Spengler
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04-03-2009 12:11
From: Nexus Burbclave
If my understanding of the prevailing definitions is correct, many legitimate support groups like AA would be considered mature charities/ngos as they necessarily confront issues of a mature nature e.g. addiction and its negative consequences.

That said, I kind of share your trepidation regarding adult charity examples. :)

Yes, had to reread that and realized I should have said adult charity not mature charity. We need a word beyond 'mature' that is not a synonym of it. :)
Sindy Tsure
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04-03-2009 12:13
From: Minx Eisenhart
So becouse your upset with lL your going to hamper 1,000's of users ability to buy or sell Lindens?. I rely on Paypal for the sale of my lindens.
but becouse a few people are mad at LL over this for damaging people SL experance your going to make sure to damge the SL experance for those of us that wish too go on.

/me doubts paypal will punt SL over this. The might get mad at LL claiming that having paypal should somehow give adult content creators a warm & fuzzy feeling that they're dealing with RL adults, tho..
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04-03-2009 12:17
From: Kara Spengler
We need a word beyond 'mature' that is not a synonym of it. :)
Senescent?
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Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-03-2009 12:18
From: Sindy Tsure
/me doubts paypal will punt SL over this. The might get mad at LL claiming that having paypal should somehow give adult content creators a warm & fuzzy feeling that they're dealing with RL adults, tho..
No, but it might prompt PayPal to send a strong message to LL which might result in LL's taking their current plans a few extra steps in a direction that we may like even less than the current ones... (I'm trying to be almost as cryptic as a Linden here...is it working?)
Minx Eisenhart
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04-03-2009 12:20
From: Lindal Kidd
I would too. LL didn't have that discussion before they started making their Grand Plan. They are not having that discussion now.

There is nothing I'd like more than to keep the whole thing in house, just between us and LL. But, Sindy, they are not listening. These threads, the office hours, the brown bags...they are not dialogs, in any sense of the word.

I'm now looking for any way I can to MAKE them listen. Being a company, they listen to money, so that's where to apply pressure. I've already begun tiering down, removing all the financial support I can control. If the credit card companies and PayPal were to say "We don't want your business, LL", that would be a much bigger hammer. Yes, I'd be hitting myself in the thumb with it, too. But I am to the point where that's starting to look attractive.

Beats banging my head against the wall.


ok So after paypal refuses LL's buisness and by the off chance LL Decieds not to go though with this they
They will have to do more drastic changes to bring paypal back such as make a seprate grid for Strickly adult content ( Porn, Sex, heavy BDSM) and the like, just to get paypal back. what is the worse of the two? having adult matiral on its on continet, or its own grid?
and By attacking Paypal your not just hurting LL yoru hurting fellow ussers!!!!
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04-03-2009 12:20
From: Argent Stonecutter
Senescent?

Well, at least it is not named after an animation HUD.
Skatoulaki Nakamori
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04-03-2009 12:23
From: Minx Eisenhart
what is the worse of the two? having adult matiral on its on continet, or its own grid?
I actually have been wondering why they're NOT moving us to our own grid...which would probably eventually become what the current grid is now anyway...or at least what it was...only without the PG areas and the intolerant "concerned residents."
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04-03-2009 12:23
From: Blondin Linden
It is a little difficult to post while on the road.

or eating dinner, hugging the kids, kissing the wife (Life Partner). takeing the trash out, ect...
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Klang Wopat
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04-03-2009 12:44
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Klang, as I understand it, only those people who have content that are rated "Adult" will get the offer to move. If some of you are, and some of you aren't, then it looks like you will get split up.... or was that not your question?


Thanks for all the comments and background information.

All of the parcels are set to mature, but there are no explicitly "adult" themed builds or content there--but hey, you never know, the weekend is coming up!

lol
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04-03-2009 12:54
From: Minx Eisenhart
ok So after paypal refuses LL's buisness and by the off chance LL Decieds not to go though with this they
They will have to do more drastic changes to bring paypal back such as make a seprate grid for Strickly adult content ( Porn, Sex, heavy BDSM) and the like, just to get paypal back. what is the worse of the two? having adult matiral on its on continet, or its own grid?
and By attacking Paypal your not just hurting LL yoru hurting fellow ussers!!!!


LL is the one who's violating PayPal's "don't use our money for adult content" policy. You think nobody is ever going to call PayPal's attention to that?

OK, look. I'll keep my mouth shut about it...until LL follows through with this half-baked scheme. At that point, I don't think I will much care for playing Disneyland, or showing my ID card to access material I've been able to view for more than two decades.

Mr. Kingdon, here it is: Either start involving your residents right now to come up with a workable compromise, or I'm going to call Shenanigans on your so-called company with your biggest revenue pipelines, the credit card companies and PayPal. You have been warned.
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04-03-2009 12:59
From: Klang Wopat
Thanks for all the comments and background information.

All of the parcels are set to mature, but there are no explicitly "adult" themed builds or content there--but hey, you never know, the weekend is coming up!
So why are you anticipating having to move?
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