Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Displaced renters will probably have to find new locations in other adult private estates.

I would too. LL didn't have that discussion before they started making their Grand Plan. They are not having that discussion now.

There is nothing I'd like more than to keep the whole thing in house, just between us and LL. But, Sindy, they are not listening. These threads, the office hours, the brown bags...they are not dialogs, in any sense of the word.

I'm now looking for any way I can to MAKE them listen. Being a company, they listen to money, so that's where to apply pressure. I've already begun tiering down, removing all the financial support I can control. If the credit card companies and PayPal were to say "We don't want your business, LL", that would be a much bigger hammer. Yes, I'd be hitting myself in the thumb with it, too. But I am to the point where that's starting to look attractive.

Beats banging my head against the wall.

LL is not the only owner of the property. You own the content you created in SL, LL only has a non-exclusive license to it.

Also, how many people who are going to take part in this forced move are going to want to offer to rent any part of their land to businesses in DIRECT COMPETITION with their own?

How many mall owners, faced with a mall that is 2/3 Mature and 1/3 Adult content, will move ONLY the portion of their mall parcel that is Adult to Ursula, and will leave the PG/Mature part where it is? So if they move JUST what is Adult, and IF they manage to retain those Adult merchants who were in that section, where will a disposessed merchant from a mall that does NOT move be able to go?

And if you ARE in a mall now... You're probably in LOTS of malls. I know I see certain adult merchants with vendors in almost every mall, to take advantage of geographical shopping preferences. But someone with 20 mall booths now, spread over the whole mainland, won't need 20 booths worth of area on the Ursula continent, where everything will be packed solid with similar businesses. So a lot of the malls who DO try to move their adult section will likely find that many of their merchants won't move with them.

If you move a mall or business now, and want to expand, who will you buy from? The land speculator demanding L$1000 per M2? Buy out the competing business next door?

Personally i think there is more to this than we are being told at this moment, I have always maintained that having a separate Adult Content area was and is a good idea, but this IMHO should have been approached many many months ago. I see that the floodgates were opened when un verified accounts were let in and from that a lot of people got settled here in SL giving LL its figures maybe for the money men.

Now for whatever reason and we may never know the honest reasons, LL has decided to take this course of action. Maybe a case of bad future forecasting or maybe pressure from the money men to change the game rules or for that matter a multitude of other reasons. I see SL as constantly evolving and ever changing, some good and some bad, but we all seem to adapt and change with it in the end, yes many people leave never to return which is sad in some ways, but as in life for me, those that matter i remain in contact with to this day.



I agree with you that NPIOF makes up a large portion of the customer base, but maybe LL wants NPIOF to be verified, maybe they (LL) have been told to get more accounts verified for accountability, after all the scamming that goes on here. especially as we have a money system, i wish i knew thats for sure

I don't however think LL wants to get rid of NPIOF i think they just want more verified accounts on the grid and then they can access the adult content, i bet there is a very high percentage of underage players accessing this material right now in SL and as a mentor i know you would have seen it as well, maybe this is a reason why they are doing what they are doing now, whilst leaving free accounts the ability to join up to SL rather than go back to a fee charged after a trial period as it was before.

I doubt we will ever be told the honest reason for this move by LL

It would be nice to think that we will get this information soon. Personally i would prefer LL to start being honest with us about this issue. If its policy handed down from on high, then tell us and we will at least be able to understand. However today companies in general do not tend to be honest with their customers its better to tell us truths which can always be twisted and used to fulfill the personal agendas of the company, honesty is something that cannot be twisted and thats why they don't like to use it.

I dream one day of a LL that is more transparent with the people that pump money into it every month and i don't mean the money men/investors i mean us players that have supported them for a long time as they grow.

But i can live in hope

Perhaps not...but a mere "We're sorry. For legal reasons, we can't disclose why we have to do this, but it's out of our control and we have no choice. Please bear with us while we work out the details." would probably have gone a long way towards maintaining any bit of integrity they had left in the eyes of a lot of their paying customers. Instead they send Blondin out once a day to answer less significant questions hoping to satiate the teeming masses...and only causing more strife in the end. We ARE adults after all. We can handle the damn truth...

I agree as i said maybe they realize that many teens are on the grid and are doing account verification to access said adult content now and also taking us back to pre 2006 and accountability whats to say later this year they insist that every account on the grid must now be verified and the adult move is something they now have to do after making it so easy to open an account on SL first, then they see what the drop rate of customers are and then introduce across the board verification if the numbers are right.

This is why i think LL should start being honest with us and then at least we will know why this is all happening.

I totally agree with you and its what i have said all along

Honesty is the best way to treat people.

The loss of income and business going under, which will undoubtedly happen to some, makes a big difference. There will be winners and losers but the losers won't just be losing due to market forces, they'll be losing due to an imposed move.

Moving a build takes time, time is money, this is a concept LL didn't understand during the Openspace issue where people wanted to change their land back into full sims, during the time they were awaiting the move those sims were losing money.

The same will happen again here. They can waive tier all they like, but then people have to rebuild their search rankings.

If I am considered by LL as Adult Content, still no clue through all the conflicting deffinitons, but i do have a sex area in main build behind closed doors. I also have a skybox designed with "Adult" and sexual activites in mind. So I'm going to assume I will be moved. I have 70% of the sim i'm in. I have cut out 2 parcels and deeded to friends groups so they can use them as they see fit. They don't have any Adult Content on these parcels. If I am moved will they be moved with me? Do I need to take the land back to insure they are moved with me. They do not want to be left in the void created by my removal.

How about the neighbors who moved here because they like the environment and community I have unintentionally helped form. Many of my neighbors have built to match the area i've constructed. Would they be able to move with me if they choose to.

LL has policies they don't enforce currently, or enforce where they choose to, they even are in violation of these terms themselves. I have 2 abandoned parcel next to me, hthey have been abandoned since October. On these parcels are 2 floating for sale signs larger than allowed. This land is owned by Governer Linden. How will enforcement be handled when LL's can't even police thier own lands?

Whew....I finally made it to the last page

I've been here almost two years now and I've watched my experience here go downhill..control this...control that.... this was supposed to be an adult enviroment with the freedom of choice and fantasies we wanted..what a laugh
I currently own 55,000+ sq m in my sim with a little bit of everything. I have worked two long hard years building it to what it is and I'm about $7000 usd poorer for it. It is virtually impossible to duplicate it including surrounding sims layouts etc. So, I for one will not be moving and if SL thinks I will leave all the work I've done so that their new breed of newbies can enjoy it they have another thing coming....all they will see is grass. I'll sit on my land and hope that the value will rise enough so I can sell and not take too big of a loss..if not I'll abandon it so they can't sell and eventually leave SL for my own world I am building using Opensim opensource....What I will save not paying $195 usd tiers a month will buy a lot of equipment !
I've watched and listened a long time and what I've heard and seen has ruined SL for me.

There are *supposed* to be 1 cpu per sim.....a lie..someone said there are 25,000 sims...SL says they have only 4000 servers..are the excess running on air?....thats one reason we have all the lag we do. Another question,
So do they have 4000 new servers to run the new world? or will they just totally overload what they have now?
I don't think I want hang around to find out.
I really believe this will be the end for SL and I'm sure there will be an Exodus from SL.

Stupid is as stupid does...with the economy spiraling down with no end in sight, what makes SL think that businesses will flock here to save them when all of us (the ones who made sl what it is) are gone.
GM and Chryler are going bankrupt and many more to follow.....WAKE UP LL!

All of you who plan to stay who have alts..my advice is transfer what money and items your alts have now, because if you can't get them verified you will lose them.

48 pages of questions totally unanswered....This was decided on a long time ago thats why the new viewer is ready..think about it...don't know what I'll do with the lindens i have..but one thing is certain i will not buy anything, I'll sit on them too.

I had an idea to show that we don't want this change but I doubt it can happen...pick one day when no one logs on....they will lose a lot of money...I'm game for it...they don't want to listen to our posts let them listen to silent cash registers I bet that gets their attention in a hurry.....my two cents(lindens)

Servers typically have multiple cpus/cores/execution threads.

I'm not a fan of abridging liberty, but it seems that the days of a non-intrusive Linden Lab are coming to an end. With that in mind, something that would be very useful once this policy is hammered out is a document linked from the policies, that gives some typical examples from each of the following categories that would fit the model of PG, MATURE, and Adult:
Residence
Business
Hangout
NGO/Charity
Educational
Arts/culture
Other

It would be nice to have some clear examples of how someone trying to adhere to the letter and spirit of these terms should conduct themselves. In particular there seems to be a lot of fuzziness in these discussions regarding what is mature but not adult. Some concrete examples would be very helpful for clarification.

One last aside:
Please tell us that this continent is not the sum total of all adult land that will ever be released. Please tell us that the adult continent will be expanded based on growth in the same way that general use lands are allowed expansion.

They have stated the servers are quad cores and 4 sims/server.

Twin dual-core processors, actually.. Close enough tho.

There are also homestead/openspace sims which run 16 per physical server instead of the 4 per server (1 per core) that full sims do..

Thanks, all I have heard is a litany of "4 CPUs/server" so assumed quad cores.


I was about to put that in there. I knew it was 4/core with the old OS, but forgot if the new OS (not homesteads) were 3 or 4.

Hm.. Might be 3/core on the homesteads. There was talk of it but I don't think LL has said if it ever went anywhere. Sortofa theme there..

2 core, 3 core, 4 core.... but, is Ursula running on hard core?

Sorry - I'll go back to w*rk now

Punny

I dont think you understood the question... Will we have to wait for the NEW sim owners in ursula to parcel out the land before we can move?

/me does not want to know what a mature charity would be (a real one)

Not to mention...what is a "qualifying MAINLAND resident"? And hey, does that mean we're going to need to buy the new land??? Or is it a free swap for the land we have on the mainland??? Questions...questions...and more questions

I dont think you understood the question... Will we have to wait for the NEW sim owners in ursula to parcel out the land before we can move?

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The Lindens will give you a same sized piece of land on the new continent, and some amount of overlap time to move.

Blondin apparently is clueless about size limits for linking objects, complex builds where the objects have multiple owners, and how long it takes to fit a build to a particular terrain and parcel shape. I think a month's overlap would be a minimum to do a move without causing great hardship to people.

If my understanding of the prevailing definitions is correct, many legitimate support groups like AA would be considered mature charities/ngos as they necessarily confront issues of a mature nature e.g. addiction and its negative consequences.

That said, I kind of share your trepidation regarding adult charity examples.