Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Nobody has mentioned attacking paypal or credit card companies.

If you really believe they would pull out (er.. can I say that here?) of SL if LL started using them for identity/age verification, why wouldn't you be on the rooftops screaming for all to hear that LL is planning to do something horribly damaging to SL, before they actually implemented it?? Wouldn't it be better to say something now? That's what Lindal is talking about doing..

Precisely. If "Every mature person should be able to do that", then Linden has already reserved a place for you in the MATURE land -- their officially label MATURE land for all of you matured people who know how to respect each other in a wholesome place. But surprise, surprise, what you will find is exactly the opposite in a place reserved for you matured adults.

Ok, did you really miss my satire?

Isn't it insulting everyone's intelligence to call a MATURE place for the immature people who curse and do violence, or call a mature place PG for you mature people who require your parental guidance to know what is right from wrong?


Aren't they degrading you to a child when they label PG land as non-adult land? Are you a non-adult or an adult?

By definition, a non-adult is a child, an under-age. If you don't like that definition, then non-adult is an immature person even though he/she is an adult is a better term.

In fact, that is exactly what LL is implying, you are an adult, but they call you a non-adult, because you are not allowed to the adult area unless you are a verified adult. So if you are an adult, but not verified to be an adult, then the only category left is an immatured adult. SL is restricted to adults already, so what is what does non-adult land mean? A place where no adults can go?

If you are mature enough, what is the problem with the ability to be tolerant of what other consenting adults are doing? Isn't that childish behavior?

Isn't that the definition of immaturity?

ok i guess blondin wasnt the only one to misinterpret the question....I RENT A PARCEL.... how will they rent me a parcel on Ursula if no one owns the sim?

Lindens are the ONLY estate managers on the mainland.

You can buy your own land there or rent from somebody else who bought land there. It doesn't really matter if they own just 512m2 of land or if they own a dozen regions.

Drake,

I hate to be the barer of bad news. But I would guess if you only rent land and not own it, if the owner of your parcel doesn't want to move, you will be forced to close up shop, club, or what it is you have going thats Adult. Some at this point won't be renting out that own and are forced to move. No one wants a club on the same sims. Its going to be a tight squeeze at it is. My partner and I own Kajirea together. He owns 1/2 and I own the other 1/2. but the entire land is grouped. On the land I bought is the Brothel. If they don't grant him the same we are not only going to move half our business so we'll have to close. Forced closure, isn't fair really. Although I see them doing this to everyone. My partners half has the stores on it. It would be considered mature land I would think. although there might be a serving room in the sky we rent. Perhaps that will count. I really don't know what is really fair. They said it will be case by case. I guess we will find out when we get our eviction notices.

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Originally Posted by Drake1 Nightfire
ok i guess blondin wasnt the only one to miis interpret the question....I RENT A PARCEL.... how will they rent me a parcel on Ursula if no one owns the sim?

ok..i'll try and simplify this....I rent a parcel, I will be moving to Ursula..and as i understand it, until someone buys a sim there, i cant rent a parcel... or am i wrong? will LL rent parcels for a one to one exchange? i dont see how they can as I DONT RENT FROM LL.. i rent from a private party. will my rent change or stay the same? if it willl go up, why should i move?

Assuming you're renting on the mainland...

Unless your *landlord* involves themselves and takes advantage of the swap for you, then you're out of luck. Until someone buys some land (doesn't have to be a whole sim) and is willing to rent it at a price you can afford, you'll have to wait. If your build is explicit enough to need to move, you'll probably have to rent on a private estate in the meantime.

This is Linden Labs recruiting websight, and thier tao, philosophy of being.

http://lindenlab.com/about/tao

Thats why I asked Kalderi because it is exactly these sorts of comments that get some in a tizzy when they read them thats is why i asked for posts to see myself as i felt they were wrong I don't doubt they are mature but certainly not adult as you say this move is for places like our plot that are non private hotbeds of sex and debauchery

Me wonders about AA meetings and wonders if they sacrifice virgins and dance naked lol

I was aware of that i was just getting the poster to point where it said they weren't as i said above its these sort of posts that get people mixed up especially when they drop into the thread and don't read first

we are all waiting for LL to give us some clearly defined guidelines as to what is and isn't Adult. I know we will fall into the got to move category and now its just the waiting game as LL finalizes its plans for those of us that have to move

I wonder how they are going to decide who is definitely moving and who is gaming the system to get the move probably to just flip the land at a premium. I will be interested to see how LL are going to do it unless that is they have already decided the first wave based on plot use etc. prior to the blog announcement for this exact reason

Thats the problem when Mob rules, as LL may restrict transfers of L$'s out of the game per month or perhaps worse if paypal jump on them especially when LL has said its for account verification not age verification

No it's not. It's a choice I make. That has nothing to do with real children present or not. Even as an adult I want to be able to make the choice if, where, with whom and when I want to be around adult material. When I show my city to a guest I am not going to take them to the porn cinema or swing club. But I might go there later with my intimate partner. For me, SL isn't any different.

I believe anything involving planning is unlikely.

You cynic you lol

Agreed. My initial post was just a request for a "case study" style set of examples to be published along with the rules update. I never meant to imply that AA would be moved. The example was actually provided after someone made a comment about mature charities to point out something that would probably fit on a non-PG, but non-adult sim, based on the definitions of Adult, mature and pg that seem to be emerging from this thread and the previous threads. I could very well be wrong about the specific example I brought up, but if anything the confusion I seem to have caused speaks to my original point of providing concrete examples along with the final rules announcement.

It is just trash, made by the abuse of the alphabet. Complete nonsense. I studied philosophy (graduated) and like I would recommend to any other business, to keep distance to terms like "tao" or "philosophy" in general, to come not totaly ridiculous over, I have no other comment for their self-hypnotic blabla too.

And what they call "mission" along the cheap phrases is quick identified:

"We want your money you ever and without exception wrong idiots"

That is their "mission, tao and philosophy", translated from their biz-esoteric artificial dumb NLP speak into all what is literal and factual the case.

i had sent in a support ticket asking questions about how i can swap my parcels on the mainland for parcels on the new adult continent, and here's all i got ...

We're sorry! This Knowledge Base Suggestion ticket is being closed. This ticket type is not a channel for technical or account support. We apologize for any confusion we may have caused.

thing is ... i didn't place my ticket in the category of Knowledge Base, but in Land Issues. *sighs*

anyone else send a support ticket and get any answers?

I think it will still be a few weeks down the line before LL give us the list/guidelines i do hope though that they take some of the ideas from these threads and weave that into the mesh as there have been some good input of ideas and yes posts are getting answered by the people here when they are able to help those that have been unable to follow the posts as its a good few hours solid reading now to catch up

That TAO is one of the major reasons LL is such a mess as a business. It all sounds hip and happy and all, but it is not the way to run any sort of serious business. It's the kind of thing a garage based business may throw together in the initial idealistic phase, but those days are long gone. Even Ben and Jerry's had to eventually grow up.

A LINK, of multiple prims and objects,
1) acquires a new center point
2) is only good for your own prims

TAKE, is ok for the owner of the prims.

DROP, putting multiple linked objects together,
from multiple owners, means different center points
and a lot of fussy adjustment later.

And, when you UNlink, the linked object splits into primary prims,
losing their original linking.

it all gets very messy, so, in past have had to take individual
linked objects to inventory, and drop and position each one, individually.

It is a lot of work, time consuming, and never quite like it was before.

Never going to happen. Some nucklehead would write their congressman about the loss of income they are suffereing because their sim with furries banging nuns in habits was closed down ... and that would be that!

The United States is currently two open-minded Supreme Court Justices away from being able to handle things like this with anything even pretending to be sanity.

btw, still waiting for answers to my questions on page 7 of this thread. (unless i'm blind and have missed them.)

1. if it is a land "swap" this means that land is being swapped, free of charge, sim by sim and parcel by parcel. IF only sims are being swapped, then anyone who owns a parcel will be losing in the deal, since we have to wait for people to buy sims, parcel them up, and sell the new parcels to us - at their premium prices. *will Linden Labs be creating parcels to match existing parcels and letting parcel owners swap land for free?*

2. my group owns 3 parcels in a sim that is free of lag, because i chose the location because there are no other busy businesses in the sims. when i map-hop to neighboring sims to see what's creating lag in my sim (Grolphook), i always land in an adult dance club that's quite busy. *will Linden Labs restrict the number of high-traffic clubs per sim on the new adult continent?*

3. does Linden Labs realize they are creating a ghetto, or a reservation (i.e. a tightly-packed, lesser quality [because of lag] piece of land), based on member's *sexual preferences* (excepting, of course, the violent gaming sites) and that this is a matter where an organization such as the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom can facilitate a class-action lawsuit against Linden Labs?

4. everyone who is a member of SL right now has already agreed to the TOS that we are over 18. why not just give us a check box in Preferences for "Allow teleport to PG or Adult sims or parcels" so that members can choose their experience right from the start while traveling around SL? We already get to choose whether we want to receive audio, video and voice input; we even get to choose the number of particles we'll see.

a strong suggestion: Please, please, PLEASE let us choose in Preferences whether we'll be able to enter an Adult parcel, and let parcel/sim owners choose how to label their parcels, and let people turn in ARs for those who don't set their parcels/sims correctly, or for people who go around violating the TOS by acting explicitly adult in PG areas. That way, if my daughter is in the room, i can open Preferences and select the "PG" box, and voila! the entire problem of separating adult content is done BY ME, the responsible user.

this also applies if you want to buy a parcel, or parcels. so will Linden Labs be "buying their own sims" in other words, and parceling each sim out to fit? how will they decide who gets what parcel in what sim?? i did shape my entire build to the length of 3 parcels my group owns, in a row. i also chose the first parcel to purchase because there were no other adult clubs in the sim, so i knew i'd be lag-free. how can Linden Labs ensure me the same experience i am have already paid for, and am paying for now? i doubt they can, it's too daunting a task.

it would make far too much sense to put a checkbox in Preferences for "Allow teleport into PG__ or Adult__parcels." (the same way we choose or disallow audio, video or voice input.)

having lag-free land is more valuable, per square meter, than having laggy land in a sim crowded with adult businesses (which tend to draw crowds). so even if LL gives someone the same overall size of parcel, rented or owned, they'll likely lose revenue due to overcrowding.

40 people per sim ... imagine just one sim FULL of adult parcels ... so let's say a 1/4 sim can hold 10 people on average ... now take a sim with 8, or 12 parcels ... will we have to set up Chambers of Commerce in every sim to set up schedules of which night which club gets to lag up the sim with their event??

this is why the new adult continent will be a GHETTO. pack everyone, even the ones who earn a lot of money for LL to profit from, into an isolated, crowded space ... based solely on what type of people they are and how they choose to express themselves. (and no, i'm not invoking Godwin's Law, i'm talking the Middle Ages here.) that leaves LL ripe for class-action lawsuits and the loss of all of SL for everyone.

/me is very frustrated by the lack of answers, and the lack of ability to contact an actual Linden with my questions, since they say they value our feedback so very much in this matter.