Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Why is verification limited to users who want to access adult content? Why not mature and PG as well, since it's an 18+ service?

don't make sl suck any worse than it already does. Leave the teens in their own grid, and maybe I dunno...give them some cute japanese anime headgear to wear. I don't really care. They just don't belong on the adult grid. Even if there were no nudity, bdsm, or sex furniture shops...this is still an adult world, one of the few out there. If I wanted to spend my time with kids I would work in daycare.

NO, you still are not hearing what we have been saying on this point.

As it stands now, the ONLY way to choose either the "Age verification required" or "Payment info required" checkboxes is to first check the "PUBLIC ACCESS" checkbox, and if you do that, you can NOT use the check boxes for an access list by name, a group that has access, or selling passes for access. Age/payment verification completely EXCLUDES any possibility of using any other access restriction.

A not-so-hypothetical example: The private island sim I live on is NOT PUBLIC. Access is limited to the sim owner, the estate managers (one from each land-holding household) and the five land groups that the five parcels are deeded to. Only 150 or so souls, TOTAL, aside from Lindens using God Mode, can access that sim. That is our land-owning residents and their carefully selected guest lists. But the sim may need to be flagged as adult under the new rules, because we have a few very kinky sex areas for our residents pleasure.

To flag that sim as "ADULT", do you mean we have to check both the "Age verification required" and "Payment info required" checkboxes, so that either is valid for access? And turn the sim into a PUBLIC ACCESS SIM? Suddenly the number of people that can access my home goes from 150 souls to likely well over ONE MILLION! Doing that and then saying "Oh, but you can still restrict parcel level access by groups!" does NOT work, because any yahoo with verified info can still TP in at 51 M above the terrain and raise hell.

Flagging a sim as "ADULT" absolutely, positively, MUST NOT disable the ability to use an access list or land access groups to restrict sim-wide access. It has to work as IF (((Age verified - True) OR (Payment info on file = True) OR (Payment info Used = TRUE)) AND ((Access permitted by explicit access list) OR (Access permitted by group membership)))THEN Allow access. NEITHER TRUMPS THE OTHER!

See? It has to be possible for a sim to allow only members of the "Furry Sex Maniacs" group who are ALSO Age or payment verified. Because WE have no way to limit membership in the "Furry Sex Maniacs" group to only age or payment verified individuals. And because that same group may have Mature land elsewhere that membership alows access to, regardless of age or payment verification. I can't get the ID information of members in Canada, Germany, Texas and god knows where, and you won't ALLOW me to detect age verificatuion status or to restrict group membership based on verification status. All I can do is make a good-faith effort to personally approve every guest, and eject any member that acts like they may be under age, while REFUSING to flag the sim as ADULT. Because my way, I have a LOT fewer people who can access teh sim, AT ALL.

If it works like age/payment verification does today, that is like saying that every gated community in the country, and every members-only club, has to open their gates and clubs to anyone with a drivers license or a credit card! Do that, and there is NO WAY most private, off the map sims will flag as Adult, regardless of what they have in their sim.

I repeat: It has to work as IF (((Age verified - True) OR (Payment info on file = True) OR (Payment info Used = TRUE)) AND ((Access permitted by explicit access list) OR (Access permitted by group membership)))THEN Allow access. NEITHER TRUMPS THE OTHER!

Do that, and you may make it work for non-public sims that need to flag as Adult. Heck, I'd be happy to have some assurance that the cute chick my neighbor brought over to see the sim wasn't an acomplished liar who is really 12 years old!

In other words, you won't do anything for them. That means they are screwed, left to the mercy of unregulated land speculators and early-adopter developers, and you couldn't care less if their rent takes a 100-fold price hike, making it impossible to remain in business?

What criteria, precisely, does offering MORE CHOICE not meet? WHAT ARE THESE CRITERIA?

We DO NOT BELIEVE your percentages on the small percentage of people who will be forced to move, and you have REFUSED to explain how you came up with such a small percentage or what the criteria were for selecting content to be shipped off to pornotopia.

So, lets start with, WHAT are the criteria that this project MUST accomplish, and WHY is it impossible to consider any other method of implementation?

Experts for schizophreny are working on that since weeks, but the Lab is therapy-resistant.

Another good question. You may be on a Mature sim, and make a friend. You and your new friend may want to go to your private residence to further your friendship. Don't you want to be sure your new friend isn't a 14 year old sitting with a bunch of his friends drinking Slurpee?

Yes, and earth is a disk... and babys are brought by the stork.

Nope. You were perfectly clear. I was just adding a new and extremely ugly conspiracy theory to the mix. Brenda got it because she's got an evil mind.

We know LL likes the idea of age verification. (we also know verification is complete BS and that any kid with more smarts than a can of spam will still get in but that's a different story.)

We know LL has said that payment info will be sufficient to get onto the adult continent.

We know payment processors (visa, paypal, etc) say that they cannot be used to verify age.

We know LL likes this company Aristotle for age verification (or maybe dislikes them less than other such services).

We know Aristotle takes some bits of personal info and compares it to public records to 'verify' age and or identity.

So.. The question is: Is LL going to send (or allow to be sent) our payment info to Aristotle or some other age/identity verification service?

This is a real serious question, Blondin..

It's "impossible" because LL has already decided what and how they are going to do this and couldn't care less about any suggestions that the residents may have. Just look at LL's past performance.

Awwwwww...thanks.

I have a new signature.

it won't be that as Aristotle can't (or shouldn't) have payment info, so they can't do a compare.

what LL could send is your name, address, date of birth and possibly email. That's just about all the personal data they hold. Although they don't display the data on you account pages, you have to contact support to find out just what they've got.

you'll like this though. I just went through their privacy policy..

But you do not have to PROVE your age, unlike anything else age restricted in RL. If a theatre starts letting kids into XXX movies simply because they asked and the kids said yes they were 18, do you really think they would be able to avoid being shut down?

As for your suppositions, that is one of the main problems in these threads... people are making straw man arguements. The theatres, bars, etc in RL being age restricted has NOT resulted in RL private dwellings being age restricted, even though kids might be sneaking a peek at the movie their parents rented.

You're right - they absolutely shouldn't have that info. Or any other personal info that **I** don't authorize them to have. The question is on if LL will send it to them anyway because Aristotle is the only means that LL has to verify age and it's obvious that that's their goal here. I has nothing to back this up - again, it's just another mad theory. It'd still be great if LL could come back and squash it in no uncertain terms, though.


LOL..

You seem to be assuming LL will attempt to verify your age without your permission, or something. It's intended to be optional, as far as I know, and they'd have no reason to send your payment info along for age verification unless you told them to, regardless of who it is that's doing the verifying.

Sigh.. but that does not mean unrestricted use of the creations, or else nothing would or could be against the TOS.

If you tried to take it to court as a property rights issue, I strongly suspect that age restrictions would be considered reasonable on adult content, and that verification would be reasonable on the basis that without it, age restrictions mean considerably less.

More to the point, I doubt that there is anything in any consumer rights act which protects anonymity in a service agreement. Wouldn't they have the right to know who you are (and be able to verify it) against the risk that you might breach the terms of service in a way that was significantly damaging to them?

I understand the desire to stay anonymous and the implications on businesses in SL, but expecting anonymity as a right in an ongoing contract seems unreasonable.

Well if you have moved since you first joined SL.... you don't have to worry about them having your correct address. There is no place on the SL website to change your living address...unless you send them proof of where you live and they manually change it. I was basically told that there is no need to change your address for any reason... as long they get your payments through your payment info on file. You can find what address they have on file for you by going to your Account Statements. So the question is.... does your address really matter them for any reason or will they send what they do have to this company Aristotle who will be able to find your real address...(I'm assuming here)?

None of this makes sense to me.....which probably is exactly what is intended.

3rd time: it's a mad theory I just came up with.

Are you saying it's unreasonable of me to even ask the question? After reading their stated goals for this stuff and the answers they've given so far, do you trust them more or do you trust them less than you did before they announced it?

It's perfectly reasonable to ask the question I think. Eventually the dichotomy between what they claimed they were doing and actually did will come out.

The company is so unthinkingly reactive that they probably have considered/are considering it and if you hold the privacy policy at the right angle and squint you could see how they could make a case for it. Since they're protecting their business..

and of course their claim of making every effort to advise you prior would probably be a post in a thread like this where it's buried with an hour.

She isn't assuming, she is postulating. Just because they say one thing, it doesn't mean they won't decide to do something else. Companies, governements, people lie all the time, especially where money is concerned.The CC verification is so tenuous as far as age goes, it isn't going to hold water the first time something goes wrong. It's not as far fetched as it may sound.

It took me a week to find just the right 8,704 piece of land. One that was flat and green, one that didn't have to many stores or factories or slums around, one that didn't have a hundred campers next door. One that was worth the money I paid for it. One that I could resell for at least what I paid if I ever wanted to upgrade to the next tier.

Will I get a piece of "new" land of equal or greater value? Or will I be crammed into a mountain side location next to 10 story tall buildings on all sides?

I see no need to segregate the adult community from anyone. When you click to set up your account, you say that you are over 18, under penalty of law. If there is a problem with minors in the adult grid, make everyone signing up for an account get age verified. Problem solved.

Then maybe they should require us to PROVE our ages at account creation!

I'm not sure what you're talking about with my "supposition" - I made no comments about private dwellings...or kids sneaking a peek at a movie their parents rented...?

All or none.

Who only patches half a hole?

LL, will be a picture entry in profile picks - first life section - showing cellulite (F) or a long, grey beard (M) count as age - verification?

It would make the verification-process less complex and data-safe.

translation: Yes, half your group will end up banned from the group land if its rated Adult. Tough. Deal.



Thank heavens for small mercies!



translation: Do it our way or take a hike. We decided to trust these guys and now you must or forget about unrestricted access.



It meets the stated goals as articulated by you in this forum. If that does not match the criteria of the program then what are we not being told?



Hope you pay more attention to it than you have done to our concerns here.



I have the builds I want, thanks, hope you dont mind yours meeting the wrecking ball or the return hammer when I get my new parcel.



translation: They are SOL.



translation: Forget about trying to meet us half way, the decision is made and its going to happen the way we've already decided no matter what.

Blondin, I've been advocating a measured view of these changes since the the whole debacle began, as somebody who understands business concerns that may be faced by LL and who will be impacted by this change. Now you come back at us with this.

Convince me that you personally and LL collectively have not been lieing to us all along. Please.