Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

How would age verification at account creation be any different than what is resulting here, other than screening out kids from activities that are not screened by age in RL?

That said it is not neccessarily a bad idea, just likely overkill... unless you mean that only new accounts would be age verified, but that does not screen existing accounts.

As for the second bit, my apologies... I took 'screening at the doors to your adult places' (paraphrased) to mean screening in your homes, but screening the same establishments at multiple points in addition to the front door is not done in RL either. They do not normally run around the bar or club or movie theatre double checking id, so again, why would they in SL?

Not sure about the 'lieing' given that I they seem to have been careful so far to avoid saying anything particularly commital other than the broad concept.

That said, a filter like that should not be that hard to implement.. just add a second ad field, and a filter for it tied to the adult verified flag. I can understand there being a resource availability issue, but there should be no technical issues...

Blondin,

I have a concern with this answer of yours. Could you explain this more?

5) Some clubs/stores which receive a large number of visitors have carefully chosen their location so that they are on quiet sims to avoid overloading the sim. If 2 or more such clubs are swapped into the same sim on the adult continent, it will have a detrimental effect on both those clubs and other residents of the sim. What plans do LL have to avoid this?
ANSWER: We will be conscious of placement when we move people.

Your answer was "we will be conscious of placement when we move people". Is it going to be up to LL's of where we are going to be placed, or is the continent going to be opened for all of us being evicted to pick and choose for ourselves? I almost get the feeling we will be handed a number and we have to go match up our number to the plot assigned like at some dinner formality where our name is upon the table in which we have been assigned by the host.

It says:

"Vision and Mission

It's our mission to connect us all to an online world that advances the human condition."

...

And the universal declaration of the human rights from 1948 (UNO) says in Article 9:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or *exile*.

and in Article 17:

(1) Everyone has the right to *own property alone as well as in association with others*.
(2) No one shall be *arbitrarily* deprived of his property.

Keywords here are: exile, arbitrarily and property. (i.e. land)

Translated into a virtual world, you are a "bit" behind the human condition with your actual acting, don't you think so?

And not to forget: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. (Art. 19)

Yayayaya, it may sound a bit neat..., I know that.... you may find it ridiculous and absurd to quote such a ethical heavy weighted document, but look: YOU started with advertising the human condition as your goal, tao and base for SL, right?

Is there ghettoization, discrimination and displacement, ejection etc. included?

People payed for their land, chosed it well and expressed there themselfs. As: art! Pixelart. Selfmade. Nothing made by you. Selfresponsible selfexpression of adults. 18+

And now? Exile, discrimination and displacement, restriction of expressions, and arbitrarily rated, plus censored.

This is very thin ice on wich you walk, LL. So seen..., and I see it so!

It would be different than what they're proposing because screening at account creation would ensure that everyone is 18+...which they are supposed to be...SL is, and always has been, an adult virtual world. The Lindens keep on saying they are NOT merging the teen grid with the adult grid, so why do you keep speaking as if under-18 are already allowed here? They're not.
Would save a lot of people from losing money, losing land they're renting, losing land they chose for specific reasons, etc., all of which *I* think is overkill...
Exactly my point. They screen at the door (account creation), now they're going to screen at a second point (entrance to adult continent). As I said before, SL is an 18+ VW...they should focus their efforts on keeping kids OUT...

I SO AGREE WITH YOU!! If your going to FORCE me to move, then BY RIGHTS, and owning a FULL SIM, I, and others like me, should have FIRST Pick of the land. Judging by account age, and how long you have owned land should be the first criteria.. Show US, the LONG TERM residents, that have been paying TIER for years, some small consideration. I'm not in any way saying that the newer members do not deserve the same consideration, but give your long term residents the first shot. After all the FULL SIMS are moved, then Linden could parcel X number of each size parcels, and again, going down the list by size, and age, allow each *forced* move person a chance to *pick* their new spot. Once all forced moves are made, the remainder of the land could be offered for sale to the existing residents for X amount of time, before put on the open market. The worry that everyone had about the land barons driving up the prices and making it impossible to buy land here would then not be a worry...and everyone forced to move would be treated fairly. (Although, when you write in the new code, restricting the price of land per SQM should be written in. in other words... no more buying a 512 in the middle of a sim and then asking 1K per SQM to sell out to the neighbors) There's another 2$ worth from Brie...I'm just saying

Brie

Does anyone know if we'd be breaking any rules if we posted Blondin's replies to the main forums? Asking for LL's answers to be posted in a single sticky so that they can easily be found seems to have been ignored, but at least if they were re-posted in, say, Resident Answers, more people would have chance to read them.

Act now, ask forgiveness later?

Turn that around. Why should we continue to patronize and validate your profit from a company that chooses to embrace censorship and discrimination as acceptable business policy? Because you want to continue to bank your L$, all the rest of us being marginalized and possibly bankrupted in game to the tune of real world loss of income as well should simply bend over to maintain your profit margin?

I understand that some of us want to maintain that money. Over the last two years, I was having some hard times where my linden to paypal exchange rate was paying for my groceries as an emergency fund. That said, I'd just as soon see Paypal dump LL as soon as any proposal or idea that children will be allowed onto the main grid becomes fact.

In the last week, I converted the lion's share of my lindens to US$ and cashed out, leaving only enough to pay rent on the parcel my shop sits on. On a bi-weekly basis, I will continue to cash out any income my shop in the game generates above the sum of 30,000 Lindens for emergencies or rent payment in-world.

It might be a bit more of a pain to have that money transferred directly into my bank account instead of my paypal account. But if I'm to be discriminated against on the basis of my lifestyle, my sexuality, or how I choose to express myself in both my personal behaviour or artistic expression, then I'd as soon see LL take the hit.

You mean having them create a grid where only people over the age of 18 can go where they can be free of the threat of encroaching children.... Just like now. While the former main grid becomes a seperate grid we've all been displaced from where teens are free to cavort, caper, and throw homemade penises at one another in... In effect, it will be a teen grid while there exists a whole other adults only grid...

...just like now! ^_^

If they have been, I should think that WOULD be class-actionable. Are there any class actions currently being formed? Are there URL's and E-Mail addresses to the relevant persons that we might add ourselves to them should this go forward?

There are huge differences between physical id checks and internet age verification. The first thing is that kids are accessing adult content on the internet from where? Public libraries? Home? I don't have an issue with the adult continent needing extra verification, as flawed as it is, but I also don't see why anyone should be forced to move.



RL private dwellings generally have better privacy controls. Those original FAQ's were very telling on the goals of people driving this. Give them an inch and they will take a mile, photorealistic skins were mentioned originally and to be honest I can see people still complaining and campaigning to have them classified adult if they advertise without clothing on their pictures.

We might trust that assertion more if

a) it was explicitly included in the TOS rather than merely claimed in a forum post with no legal obligations
b) if the verification process did not ask for information which Integrity clearly cannot validate against. For instance, UK residents as ask to provide passport, driving license or social security number, however, the government departments in charge of that data has repeatedly confirmed that Integrity is not an authorised user of those databases.




If what is being requesting is essentially what LL are doing, then the LL proposal and this proposal are essentially the same, and hence would essentially address the same criteria! This proposal certianly meets all the *stated* criteria that LL has made. However, this proposal addresses additional criteria which LL's proposal doesn't meet:

general acceptance by the community
minimal disruption to existing land owners

Matthew

LOL won't ever happen and i doubt it would hold any water in a court of law, even in the USA as LL are segregating "adult content" and i would imagine most judges would see this as a good move on behalf of LL especially when you and i and everyone here agreed to the TOS in the first place where it states LL can basically do what they want. They could even stop you cashing out your L$'s tomorrow and say it could be only used for tier for instance.

Whats with some of the USA and lets start a class action LOL no wonder LL keeps a lot to itself, i would to if it meant protecting my company's arse. Before you ask i to am affected by all this

The original blog claimed



However, I'm afraid that Blondin's answers reveal that LL have no such commitment:

i) there is no commitment by LL to relocate landowners and merchants onto land which resembles in appearance, quality, performance or value their existing land

ii) there is no commitment by LL to assist the relocation of builds on that land, which means that for all but the most simplistic on uncreative of builds relocating means destroying the existing build, and rebuilding it from scratch. For long established, multi-owner builds even this may not be possible as some of the owners of the object may no longer be active in SL

iii) there is no commitment by LL to assist private estate owners or their residents affected by the need to segregate adult and no adult content onto different sims in an estate

Why is LL now reneging on promises it made in the blog when it first introduced this policy change?

Matthew

I've just noticed Blondin's 8 answers a day stuff so I'll try again with a question I've already asked twice and received no answer to (that I'm aware of):-

It was stated early on that furniture stores that sell sex furniture along with other furniture won't have to move "as long as people are not having sex in the stores". E.g. about 5% of my ~1000 furniture items have sex animations in them. People (rightly) often feel the need to see the animations before deciding whether or not to buy, so they hop on them, fully clothed, and quickly go through a few. They are looking at them and not having sex as such. Will such stores be required to move?

by the look of it you shouldn't have to. My shop probably only has 2 items out of close to 200 that aren't related to sex or BDSM. According to Blondin when he came through for a look the shop, it is mature not adult but I need to remove one adult word from the parcel description.. He didn't tell me which but I'm assuming it's either BSDM or sex..

In the absence of anything hard and fast from LL go and check out my place and compare.

In a way I'd rather move though, lately I've noticed a wave of intolerance towards anything that's not pg. Given a choice I'd rather take my chances with the perverts I think. They're not so uptight.

Could you clarify what a "qualifying mainland resident" is? Is a desire to maintain the current range of permissible activities on your land enough to qualify? Or do you actually have to have something adult rezzed and a naughty word in the land description?

From page 44 of this thread - Post #658

These are the figures for February and March 2009 for my wifes customers. These customers have brought from her in-world vendors and also from Xstreet. She has counted a customer only once even if they brought multiple items or on different dates.

She painstakingly went through all her transactions for these 2 months and checked every individual in game for their status details on their profiles. For the record, she makes silks and fetish clothing and other adult related stuff.

Total customers for February 2009: 119

PIU: 83

NPIOF: 36


Total customers for March 2009: 129

PIU: 86

NPIOF: 37

PIOF: 6


Overall total customers for February and March 2009: 248

PIU: 169

NPIOF: 73

PIOF: 6

If they have fun with it, to have an Ursula continent with adults on, they can rename the three continents in the middle. North, south, east to Ursula. Instead of moving and censoring people.

But Mr. Something alias Linden mumbled some phrases about "fitts not the criterias of our program, bla, bla,bla"

Is Moses back? With a new program?

(And when will intelligence be back at the lab? Ah, I know this would not fit the criterias...)

Another thing is, the idea, to tell us how we have to use the Alphabet in future. Is the alphabet now bought by Linden Lab, or is Article 19 of the human rights declaration still in use? Or since when is it possible, that 18+ people have to face to run around ducktaped and to write with bounded fingers, in a kind of slavery language? LL means Picks, advertisings, logos, groups, avatars, descriptions of items and events and so on.

Blondin told us to use so called PG vocables.

While in front of my window 8-9-10 years young kids running around yelling adult names (playful) and words that the hell freezes over, even my own inner hell, while every porn producer would convert to christian fundamentalism in a second if he could hear that, hahahaha. And I live in an upper-class environment...children of the austrian rich and famous, hahahaha.

Lol.

This is all so wrong. Oh, we europeans know San Francisco. We have TV... Good that Mr. M. Kingdon is not the Major of the town and Blondin not the Sheriff.

Otherwise the half town would be moved to Alcatraz, ah, what do I tell? The whole town! Hahaha. Including LL-staff!

which appears to correlate to my traffic on both my pg and kinky shops. I'm getting around 35-40% npiof through. So the npiof are buying.

I have one question for your wife though. Does she sell predominantly copy or transfer items?

I only ask because if they're copy then there's a higher chance of the npiof people veryifying - just to be able to keep their lifestyle happening.

Or of course there'll suddenly be a big demand for everything to be transfer..

Thats what i was thinking when i saw her figures to the ones posted and she sells predominately copy items.

PS: I haven't run Sindy's scanner on the land as we are a free sex area and expect higher NPIOF on file on the land, but also we are not looking to make any money from it as its an advertising platform for the RL website and tax deductible so its for me cheap advertising as well as a place for our members to hang out.

this is just a typical dysfunctional D/s relationship. They use, abuse, exploit and give very little back.

We *consent* to the abuse each time we log on, or pay them money.

It's more battered wives than anything healthy but while we chose to enter this world we're stuck with the consequences of that choice. No matter how irrational we think they're being, they hold the cards here until we decide to leave.

So it really is down to that 40%. Ultimately they're the ones who will make or break us.

since your lovely wife has been putting so much effort into data analysis, does she have any kind of indication of whether the npiofers are big spenders? i.e. do their spending patterns match those with payment info or is it just trinkets they're buying?

She is going to look at it now and i will post to this message as soon as i have the info available later today as an edit