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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 22:29
It's really nice of LL to let you few sorry losers go on and on like this. But it probably won't last more than a couple more days, you know. Bye : ) You know why there's so "few" of us "losers"? Because LL won't *tell* the rest of the grid on the login screen, or make any announcements of this is any language besides *english*. Put up a login screen announcement, and start putting the word out to non-english speakers, and we'll see how "few" of us there are  -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 22:41
Katheryne, Saiki, Ceera, Valerius and Lindal who actually seemed to get the note of sarcasm maybe you can calm down a bit now. Sorry about that neptune, I can only plead Nany fatigue and a lack of sleep for my denseness. -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 23:21
If that is true, it will not prevent the adults wanting to get in anonymously either. Or are you saying that the kids really do have powers and abilities they do not? Your response, though indicates that you feel mitigation has no value, that slowing kids down will not stop any. If the kids have to commit fraud and/or theft to get in, it will make many of them think twice, especially if the theft is from their parents. In any case, it that child's *parent's* job to slow them down- BY raising them right, by supervising them, and by taking an interest in their lives so they *know* if something is wrong. All due respect alex, but it isn't *my* job to protect someone else's kid from seeing a titty in the grownup's section. It is the kid's parent's responsibility to *keep them out of the grownup's section to begin with* If a kid gets in, again, not my fault for behaving in the manner I was told was acceptable. and as for the adults who are offended by my behavior around cartoon breasts, Sorry, but to my mind, they are like those folks who purposely sit in the smoking section so they can fake cough, glare a lot, and generally try to annoy everyone around them to do what *they* think you ought to be doing. I have discovered that such tactics have usually worked on me in the past because I am polite, and generally respectful of other people's feelings. However, LL has been giving me a *rapid* education of late as to just how much that matters in an issue like this. that is to say, nothing. -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 23:31
I have not read the earliest threads, but even if there is a false premise on the part of the Lindens regarding adults wanting PG content, how does that invalidate my points regarding mitigating the issue of anyone underage getting in? And again, I am saying mitigating, not preventing. In other words, even if this is being done for the wrong reasons that does not mean there are no valid reasons to justify such a decision. IT would be an excellent point, if LL hadn't ignored several wonderful ideas to do such a thing even *better*. As for it being a valid reason to justify segregation, see my previous post. "mitigation" isn't my job, Alexander. Neither is it yours. LL has decided that rather than Stop the children from coming to the cartoon sex, they'll lock the cartoon sex away in the tallest tower of the strongest castle, on it's own island, surrounded by shark infested waters. Call it what you like, it's still a jail for people who haven't done anything wrong, and for people who are *paying customers*. IF LL wanted to, they could nip underage accounts in the bud tomorrow. Simply get rid of free accounts. But since they *won't* be doing that, any discussion of "It's good for the children" are laughable. I know that you think that this is the right thing to do, but the lindens are doing it for the wrong reason (at least, that is the argument that you seem to be making), but I'm not really happy with the idea of paying for my premium accounts just so I can be a "fig leaf" on LL's unofficial policy of turning a blind eye toward children on the grid. -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 23:35
Well I very much agree that is faulty reasoning. That reason does not need age verification. Zoning changes maybe, but not verification. And even with zoning changes, definately only the very most extreme content and even then only where visibility is an issue. For my part, while there are amusing incidents of flying along and have a building suddenly rez in around me, I have yet to find an incident where anything remotely indecent was rezing in too quick for me to get enough of a sense of what kind of place I was in to know to get out (and usually if a building, I assume that if I have flown to the interior because of slow rezing, that it is private, not public, and that I thus get out lest I end up causing a scene That does not mean there are not valid reasons to put age verification in place, mind.. See, this is what most of us are saying as well. If there is a problem, why don't we try something a little less *drastic* first? Since many of us have been at this for almost two weeks now, and are starting to get flat foreheads from baning them into LL's wall, tempers are getting a little frayed. -V- |
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-02-2009 23:55
In any case, it that child's *parent's* job to slow them down- BY raising them right, by supervising them, and by taking an interest in their lives so they *know* if something is wrong. All due respect alex, but it isn't *my* job to protect someone else's kid from seeing a titty in the grownup's section. It is the kid's parent's responsibility to *keep them out of the grownup's section to begin with* If a kid gets in, again, not my fault for behaving in the manner I was told was acceptable. and as for the adults who are offended by my behavior around cartoon breasts, Sorry, but to my mind, they are like those folks who purposely sit in the smoking section so they can fake cough, glare a lot, and generally try to annoy everyone around them to do what *they* think you ought to be doing. I have discovered that such tactics have usually worked on me in the past because I am polite, and generally respectful of other people's feelings. However, LL has been giving me a *rapid* education of late as to just how much that matters in an issue like this. that is to say, nothing. -V- And yet we have age restrictions and related proof of age requirements all over the place in RL, and not just in places with 'real live' activity, but also in movie theatres and other areas where society has deemed the activity or subject matter 'adult.' It is true that ideally such restrictions should not be neccessary, but we do not exist in an ideal world. It is true that the restrictions do not provide 100% protection. Kids still get access by way of videos, fake id, etc, but again, we do not live in a perfect world. We can only do what we can. And the main problem with your philosophy is that if the kid does come to harm, the harm is not done to the parents but to the kid. Oh sure, the parents could be held responsible, punished, etc, but the harm is still done to the kid. Now you can argue that exposure to adult situations may not be as harmful to the kid as society feels it is, but again, that is a tough sell. If the courts agreed with you laws regarding age restrictions in bars, clubs, theatres, etc would have been struck down in RL long ago, and those laws apply to movies showing cartoon depictions of sex too. Fritz the Cat is still rated X. If you were to see Fritz in a public theatre, expect to have to show ID, even though the depictions would be animated, not especially realistic in terms of anatomy, that the whole thing is fiction and that it is a movie, so interaction with the scenes is impossible. To me, that is less contact than you can be involved in in SL, yet still age restricted. Fritz is just a convenient example. |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-02-2009 23:57
...and I'm getting bored... so. Who are you going to vote for in the latest attempt by LL to change the subject?? my vote is stepford.. particularly for number 21 *evil grin* here's the link to the blog post: and here are the categories.. I do have to say that if that is a relevant selection of interests inworld, is it any wonder we're being shoved aside? #27,#29 and #35 look good for a stepford vote too -V- |
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Valerius Constantine
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04-03-2009 00:07
It will be the bot stuff that Jack blogged about recently. LL will start whacking bots at the same time they implement the forced moves so that it's not obvious how damaging this adult content forced relocation & verification stuff is to the world. /me will be bet good money on this. Any takers? Sounds like a good strategy for LL- distract from doing something detrimental to MOst residents by doing something beneficial for a smaller amount of residents loudly. A side bet on how many bots they'll leave alone so that they don't have to explain to the corporate types that resident numbers dropped significantly? |
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-03-2009 00:27
IT would be an excellent point, if LL hadn't ignored several wonderful ideas to do such a thing even *better*. As for it being a valid reason to justify segregation, see my previous post. "mitigation" isn't my job, Alexander. Neither is it yours. LL has decided that rather than Stop the children from coming to the cartoon sex, they'll lock the cartoon sex away in the tallest tower of the strongest castle, on it's own island, surrounded by shark infested waters. Call it what you like, it's still a jail for people who haven't done anything wrong, and for people who are *paying customers*. -V- See, that is one of the other things I do not understand. Given that someone can teleport from any point in SL to any point in SL, what difference does being moved really make? All it does is make it easier for LL to have areas that do not require age screening. How would you 'stop the children from coming to the cartoon sex' without any means to identify the children? And how is it any more a jail than your home is, if you keep the doors locked? Eliminating free accounts will not do it. Kids have money these days. If they have a job they have income and they are usually still living at home so they have negligible expenses. If you think of reasonable security precautions as 'jail' you will see 'jail.' If you think of reasonable security precautions as reasonable security precautions that protect you from kids hassling you and protect kids from seeing or getting involved in things they are not ready for, you will see reasonable precautions. |
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Evan Madrigal
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a preface to stupidty
04-03-2009 00:35
too drunk
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-03-2009 01:01
Only problem, as far as I know, would be if it was _right above_ the store. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-03-2009 01:03
Only problem, as far as I know, would be if it was _right above_ the store. the store is listed but not the sky box Becouse i have my skybox over my store also and and asked them about it and they said its fine if its not listed and not for public use is what i meant you lil rodent.  _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-03-2009 01:06
See, that is one of the other things I do not understand. Given that someone can teleport from any point in SL to any point in SL, what difference does being moved really make? _____________________
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Anti Antonelli
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Join date: 25 Apr 2006
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04-03-2009 01:10
You mean, like, in the same parcel? You can't list the store and not the skybox, they're in the same parcel! But you can do this: "Jane Doe's Shoppe Generica - hair, shoes and fashionable accessories for the discerning avatar." instead of this: "Jane Doe's Shoppe Generica and Skybox-O-Pleasure - hair, shoes and fashionable accessories for the discerning avatar, and feel free to stop in at 2000 meters for a quickie at reasonable rates!." _____________________
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-03-2009 01:16
OK, I know I'm a bit late with this but I invented a totally awesome new plan.
Make everything over 5096sqm adult only. Block everyone from flying over 4096sqm. There is a buffer zone of 1000sqm to prevent anyone accidentally seeing the adult stuff. No-one will have to move, they'll just need to shift their stores up into the sky. It will be impossible to fly over 4096sqm, you'll have to teleport to the adult zone at 5096sqm and above. Use the existing mature flag to block out adult stuff in search. Harass/ban people who advertise adult content without the mature flag. If you really insist you can block people from going to 5096sqm and above by payment info on file. You can even block NPIOF accounts from checking the mature search. No need for a massive new continent and land crashes and mass migrations and whatever other crap. No-one has to pay twice for a mixed sim. Applies equally to mainland and estates. _____________________
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Surrealist Seesaw
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04-03-2009 01:18
Weell... perhaps we've missed something in SL's reasoning? With so many wonderful, established builds on the mainland - many of which don't fall into the 'adult' category - it makes sense that LL would want new residents to explore them as part of their early inworld experience. If Ursula were made a PG point of entry, and existing mainland made subject to age verification, a lot of people would miss out on seeing those things.
Now that we can see how Ursula continues to grow and grow, maybe the ultimate objective is to achieve the reverse - to not only to move 'adult' content to the new continent ,but to anticipate and hope that a majority of otherwise 'mature' residents will also, over time, show a preference for Ursula. Then voila, the current mainland can be made PG - or even a redefined Mature... |
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Snickers Snook
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04-03-2009 01:25
I'm talking about total loss of confidence in the sl economic model. _____________________
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Valerius Constantine
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04-03-2009 01:26
Excellent example! That movie is rated R for strong violent and sexual images. As in, 'you need to present proof of age to see this in a theatre.' Or be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Which *cannot* happen in SL. Sl is treating *cartoon* sex and violence with greater seriousness than RL treats actual depictions of sex and violence (and in some cases, the actual sex and violence itself) -V- |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-03-2009 01:29
OK, I know I'm a bit late with this but I invented a totally awesome new plan. Make everything over 5096sqm adult only. Block everyone from flying over 4096sqm. There is a buffer zone of 1000sqm to prevent anyone accidentally seeing the adult stuff. _____________________
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-03-2009 01:32
Like you say, you're a bit late for April Fool. Maybe, seems like a very workable solution and it solves many of my main concerns about the whole thing. I do have a tendency to come up with crazy plans with massive flaws though. _____________________
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-03-2009 01:48
Maybe, seems like a very workable solution and it solves many of my main concerns about the whole thing. I do have a tendency to come up with crazy plans with massive flaws though. All these and similar ideas... This is all bargaining with hostage-takers and throwing them the rest of self-dignity in their throats, if people begin to think about how many own freedom they are willing to offer to them. To think about workarounds or to start negotiations with them is accepting being a hostage. |
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Mystique Chambers
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04-03-2009 01:54
I have a curious question...
How many sims are there in the mainland grid anyway? I am trying to get a focus on the reality of space. Just flying around my neighbored sims there are large number of clubs. I know Ursula is around 250 sims.. Mainland and PG are....how many? |
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Snickers Snook
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Barbie & Ken / Foreign Languages
04-03-2009 02:04
Some random thoughts.
Don't all of our avatars look like Barbie & Ken dolls (which kids play with) unless we buy skins with naughty bits or add attachments? Isn't it just as easy for an underage player (aka teen) to get a real skin? Can't they take their clothes off too? Or if you aren't age verified do you get stuck always wearing clothes? How in the hell is LL going to monitor searches in foreign languages for "xtreme" content? Or is Nany Kayo busy learning Japanese? FWIW, this whole thing has to be the stupidest thing LL has come up with in the two years I've been rezzed. _____________________
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Morganna Reggiane
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04-03-2009 02:14
ANSWER: Public would mean a build on the mainland that is intended to draw and host Resident traffic in such a way as to make it more of a venue than a residence designed for individual enjoyment. Specific case related to the above quote which I hope will receive a specific response: I own 1/4 Mature mainland sim which is my home and my Haven. I enjoy opening my gardens to vistors (much like great houses in Europe) so my land was listed in Search and once a month I hosted a Blood Ball which was advertised in the Events. I had also planned to hold a monthly BDSM munch which is social meet 'n greet event. As I am a Vampyre Domme my gardens have all the expected Gothic ambiance with a dance floor, loaded Intan balls, sex coffins, blood pools with sex animations and quality BDSM toys among the black roses, trees, gazebos and shadows...on the ground. I do NOT do skyboxes <shudders>. I have 40m walls bordering the 2 external sides of the sim but not the internal sides as this is not necessary as our extended RW "family" of approximately 25 people owns the entire sim. We purposely bought a full sim so that everyone in the Evoco family could do their own "thing" which currently involves a punk grunge club, an otaku hangout, a sandbox and The Insane Asylum which is the home base for the "homeless" members to change clothes, open boxes and so on... This WAS my home and my INDIVIDUAL ENJOYMENT came from sharing it with like minded avatars in the SL community. At no time was it intended, used or viewed as a VENUE. I like decorating it, landscaping it and knowing that when I'm not there that others are strolling in the moonlight, playing in the graveyard or wasting time with the Lament Trivia cube. I was looking forward to adding a 7Seas fishing area with a rickety docks and sharks... All of that came to a screeching halt when this pronouncment was posted on the blog and remains on hold until I have a clear answer to my two questions... 1. Will I be allowed to reopen my gardens, list it in Search under Mature and host Mature events once or twice a month as before? 2. If the answer is No then am I still "allowed" to have my sex gen items and BDSM toys in my gardens for my own use? Not everyone enjoys sex indoors, in a skybox or in a dungeon setting. I personally find most dungeons, RL and SL, to be claustrophobic, constraining and generic in decor/amostphere. Thank you, Morganna |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-03-2009 02:19
Maybe, seems like a very workable solution and it solves many of my main concerns about the whole thing. I do have a tendency to come up with crazy plans with massive flaws though. * Maximum draw distance is 4096. * The building ceiling exists because the higher you are the more rounding errors effect you. * You'd have to increase the building limit to at least 8192 for this to keep you from seeing it. * Scripts can move you up to, well, I've gone over 2 billion meters up myself. * The guy in the parcel next door will still be able to cam in on you. And one more thing: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205 _____________________
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