Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

count me out.

LL have their reasons for doing this and all the whining in the world is not going to change it.

If you want to have a demo to try and embarrass them to giving us the details we need to be able to plan for it, I'm with you.

but there's no way they're going to back down now.

I know, call me a wet blanket but I'm just a clear eyed pragmatist.

Everyone is so busy being diverted by what the nature of adult is that you're missing the point completely. LL will decide what they feel comfortable with calling adult and that will be that. Managing to convince one linden of a different view means nothing. It's the person who has ultimate responsibility for implementing this policy that will agree or not.

At the risk of sounding repetitive, the only real leverage we have is in how much support we manage to get them to give us during the transition.

Rest it gently, in case it is still numb.

There seems to be this idea that it's all done and we need to just bend over and spread em. There's no reason that with enough dissent that the viewer couldn't be rolled back to a version previous to the disagreeable changes. The evolution of how the game works isn't a thing set in stone. I'm still idealistic enough to think that even a process already begun can be arrested and reversed.

I see this as something akin to seeing, if you'll pardon the comparison, an idiot child already running headfirst in the direction of a roaring wood-chipper. The appropriate response would be to run after it, grab it by the back of its shirt or the hair and tell it, "NO. BAD IDIOT CHILD. NO RUNNING INTO A WOOD-CHIPPER. WRONG." and hope it gets the message. Yeah the child (Or in this case, the lindens) would momentarily learn an important lesson about self preservation for a fleeting and blackly hilarious moment, but afterward the kid is still just a bloody smear in the end. (Or in this case, SL still falls apart with its user base alienated and economy more than half destroyed.)

So a campaign of dissent still has value. Our equivalent of collectively grabbing these people trying to steer our online world into catastrohe by the scruff of the neck and saying "NO. BAD LINDENS. NO DISCRIMINATING ON THE BASIS OF SEXUALITY OR LETTING KIDS INTO AN ADULT ENVIRONMENT. WRONG."

True. And the producers of these films submit them for rating voluntarily. They are under no compulsion to do so. Many films are released "NR-Not rated". They do tend to be smaller independant productions, sometimes edgier in content.

I can't be bothered rewriting it here so I'll point you to this

point 1. LL was *****one of the sponsors***** of this little outing
point 2: note who it was for
point 3: they're trying to be a respectable business. by the look of it they're sick of being known for being at the sleazy end of the internet
point 4: if they cared about what we though they would have demonstrated it well before this little fiasco.

feel free to check out the links I put in that post and then come back and tell me who you thing these guys are going to pander to; us or the Attorneys General/Public opinion/business/educational institutions blah blah blah

i have another question..
is being screwed by LL adult or mature?
O.o
seeing as this thread is a joke i may as well inject some humour in to it. im going to adjust
to this new SL and lose as little as possible, its now a case of damage limitation.
tara for now, snide linden.

It's asking for a log in

not as numb as the rest of the virtual me.. do you realise how much alcohol was swilled while I was on the couch with the others waiting?? and *then* the tequila came out.

good think I have a cast iron constitution

I concur also.

You know, choice of that nomenclature is a real smoking-pistol evidence that the outside consultants LL has hired to advise them on this fiasco actually know very little about the grid we live on.

The idea that measuring the "amount"of "mature content" numerically (currently mooted as 5%...prim count? object count?) makes sense as a basis for policy decisions is another silly concept undoubtedly springing from a sekrit white paper these clowns wrote.

A parable: Two people live next door to each other on mainland. One owns 5,000 prims on her parcel, one 20-prim object of which is classified by some obscure criterion as "adult".

The other person live on a 512 and has rezzed a freebie hobo shack: total 50 prims. But none of it is "adult".

So the first person has two choices: move everything, or move only the dirty stuff and TP to it when she wants to see/use/enjoy it, in the absence of everything else she owns.

This is dimwitted at best.

You can't measure content in a single dimension, it is involved in a complex web of relationships involving location, visibility and ownership. Policies based on the blythe assertion that "we're only talking about 5% of content" are myopic.

Honestly, if grudging jaded acceptance of the idea is all we can muster, then we deserve what we get, and I'm ashamed for all of us. This is a windmill entirely worth tilting at folks. They could have the support of every world leader and lawyer in the world. It doesn't change the fact that we are being discriminated against with censorship and disenfranchisement in the name of special interest pressure.

If the plan goes forward and ghettoes me to Sleazevania, then I will very quietly arrange things in a manner that I can pull up stakes with my IP and jump ship as soon as there's a more tolerant alternative. But until that alternative is available to me, I will kick and scream all the way to the red light district I may be forced into. What I WON'T do is sit on my hands and grumble about it. None of us should.

here's the real link



my excuse is it's late and my brain is going mushy.

Search for the group "I am adult content" in world. They already have some protest materials put together.

I believe a more effective protest will have to be devised. You saw all the good the Openspace protests did. I think all that did was drive up traffic numbers in a regions the protests were held.

I don't know. Maybe stop shopping at businesses in PG regions, or boycott PG regions entirely.

Only SL forces you into PG areas.. but I don't go into many at all anymore, there is just nothing to do..

tier down, cancel your premium account and stop shopping/spending money inworld. If you need to shop, join the myriad of freebie hunters out there.

It's better to be a non income generating burden on their system than it is to pack everything up and leave completely.

In-world protests won't really help any more than protesting here will help.

I think the only way to stop this now is with bad press, which I'm a little surprised there hasn't been much of it since this isn't going to keep any kids off the adult grid. They are trading what is a known issue that we all have to look our for as best we can for a false sense of security that we'll now have some sort of protection.

Maybe a letter writing campaign to Visa or Paypal, letting them know that LL is planning to consider people with payment info 'verified adults,' something that both companies explicitly do not allow..



I would but lots of people call my place home..

Seems to have quieted down, in here.

With the whole PG, adult, mature land separation issue
comes another issue.

Relationships between NPIOF, PIOF and PIU!

Simply asking "are you over 18 years old?"
has always been subject to false answers.
Teens will be teens.

Would seem that PIOF and PIU can have relations,
as can NPIOF with NPIOF, depending on local customs.

NPIOF with either PIOF or PIU, carries a lot of risk.

Comments?

I'd like to continue to support merchants who support adults in SL, and maybe give LL a message which side their bread is buttered on, too.

If it gets to the point where I stop doing most of the things I enjoy in SL, I will just pack it up and leave.

I do still have a first life.

It's always a risk. They can still be a minor. Don't know what would happen by law of a minor uses a false ID and accuses you afterwards for having cyber sex with them.

Solutions: Use voice - that can give some extra security. Or don't cyber any of them.

So did ANYONE take a break and listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRhPeJ3uzOc?

I did...no more of that in SL...least not outside!!

we have it now realized.

Nothing than enemies around us.

And to make it clear for us all: from day 1 on.

The bills for the fees we paid so far, over the years, telling that unmistakably.

Ok, it was our drug of choice.

Now we are sober, huh?

Man is doomed to freedom. And this thing offered freedom.

So, why not take it? And we did.

And now they have us and they're kicking us around like a soccerball

and somehow they point in direction exit

or to exist in our platform-times with less creativity and under much more bad conditions.

We realize, that we are doomed to the freedom of the lab.

As if we wouldn't had knowed that from the first day on.

We definitly knowed it.

But you know... cognizant blind and so on... the very old game...

I hate that feeling, to know, that we knowed it.

Does anyone disagree?

Good night folks. I agree with you all. The protesters, the non-protesters. The optimists and the pessimists and the stoic and the fatalistic ones. I tend to all these behaviors in one, but too tired to decide anything at 3:27 late night here in Austria.

Thanks for the links Couldbe and Argent. You all work more than anyone at the lab would work, to provide something meaningful here. Infos and some fun

Nice

Yes.

Right before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ToNZHG5KHw

That is unfortunately just scapegoating other residents rather than keeping up the pressure on LL. How is saying one group should be isolated from the rest of SL any different than saying another group should?

1) I have 4 alts, two of them are premium accounts and the other 2 are basic and I've never spend a single dollar with them (PIOF, but not PIU), but all 4 use the same credit card information. Will all of them be "verified"? Or I have to spend some money with the 2 basic ones, in order for them to be verified?
ANSWER: In this situation, all 4 would be adult verified

2) There's a lot of concern about lag if high-traffic adult venues are forced onto the same sim. Can I ask what class of server the new continent will be running on?
Answer: All new hardware runs on the current server class, which in this case is 5

3) if someone is moving a parcel (or a few parcels) rather than moving an entire sim ... will parcel owners have to contend with waiting for the new sim buyers to parcel and price the land?
ANSWER: There will be a period of time where qualifying MAINLAND residents will be able to do a direct land swap to the new continent without waiting for buyers for their old parcels.

4) I LIVE ON THE MAINLAND: I won't be able to afford new parcels on the new land. Will there be price controls to prevent real estate price gouging?
ANSWER: If your land has adult content on it, then you will not have to worry as you'll be able to directly swap it.

5) What steps will LL take to prevent the buying of land purely for reselling as seen in Nautilus and Bay City? What steps will LL take to prevent PG and non-explicit mature parcels from existing in the adult continent?
ANSWER: None of the regions/parcels will be PG or M. They will all be rated Adult and will only show up in search for adults. If the owner doesn't choose to have Adult content on it, that's their choice.

6) Will swapped plots have similar surroundings (roads, water, ocean whether plot is on the edge of a sim or mid sim etc)?
ANSWER: We will make a reasonable effort to match your existing location type, although we will not be able to terraform or match plot shapes

7) It has been suggested that LL will apply some form of automated filtering on search results to identify adult results by keywords. How will LL deal with identified false positives and false negatives.
ANSWER: We will set up a PJIRA where these can be reported and we will review and update our filters accordingly.

Another major complaint is the amount of inappropriate content and behavior at PG welcome areas. As this will be new accounts first impressions on SL, dealing with this should surely be a top priority. What are LL's plans to deal with this?
ANSWER: As always, Abuse Reports will be the norm. There are many projects underway to help improve the new user experience. Welcome Areas and infohubs are most certainly on the radar for improvements.

9) What about people who "live above the store"? People who have a skybox with personal non-publicly-advertised bedrooms on a plot with a ground-level non-mature/adult store?

10) What about providing REAL privacy controls on the mainland (JIRA SVC-205)?

11) What about taking the "5 account" limit off the books, since it's not enforced, and letting people coalesce their role-play alts?