Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Pardon my incredulity. You're a day late for April Fool's jokes.

So, you're claiming that whatever is inside, avatars, prims with 32-bit textures, prims with 24 bit textures, and even invisiprims, would be cloaked by these miracle boxes? I find that impossible to believe.

Indeed, finding land that is pleasing to be on is and has always been difficult. Half a year of looking for just the right combinations of things like terrain, neighbors, rating, and I have what I like to think of as a very nice home. I am an adult. I behave like an adult. On my property it's not uncommon to find my friends and I nude sunbathing by the roof pool or on the swing by the campfire below. Certainly anything that goes on indoors might be considered ghastly if happened upon by the unwary and (probably far too) sensitive.

However, the land, being properly (M)rated, and IM warnings issued to newcomers, still does not preclude anyone from entering by sit hopping or (LimitCameraConstraints = FALSE) voyerurism even from across simulator boundaries. Regarless of the region rating or whatever flags there may be on my personally held parcels .. there's no real way to stop that. I'd hate to think that I may have to move because myself and my adult friends engage in adult activities, and SuzieQ Unverified knows how to unlock their camera controls, or slide a prim across the boundaries with them on it.

Personally, maintaining a seperate youth world was a workable, reliable, and uncomplicated solution that is still extremely viable. As it is now, an adult walks into something they disagree with seeing, they can be as embarassed, angered, or upset as they may be for a few minutes, then just go away and never come back. The other side of that coin being, it's not restricting people who might become very good friends from getting to the things they enjoy without having to enter some specially arranged land mass.. It's akin to having your car parked at an adult book store, instead of your neighbors house. Someone somewhere is going to monitor the fact that you've frequented those kinds of places and very likely end up rated yourself.

Is that what's next? Warning labels in our profiles, or a listing on some hideously ill conceived web page? "Warning, this avatar is mature and may behave that way without notice. Has been known to frequent adult content properties and may have adult materials in their inventory". <<----- this is what is coming. Counterintuitive in a world where the minimum legal age is 18. It's a serious waste of effort in my humble opinion. Keep the kids with the kids until they can prove they're not. Restrict them, not the rest of us.



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"I'm lost.
I've gone to find myself.
If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait."

Where did Blue try? It's been rumored that he's one of the driving forces behind this madness.

/me doesn't know either way. I'm just curious why you said that.

OK, everyone, take a break until Blondin gets back, and listen to some good music. I recommend Jonathan Coulton's "First of May".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRhPeJ3uzOc

http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/First+of+May

If you're at work, you'll want to listen through headphones. No, it's not nasty, just lighthearted and playful and adult and childish.

While some of the things going on in mature areas might cause distress to some, I feel that there's not a lot that can be done directly to "clean things up".

We all know that young people desperately want to be adults and do adult things; that's why kids smoke and drink. Given an oppurtunity they'll also use someone else's credit card to get a verified account on SL and go wild.

Concentrate on the basics of giving good service and being responsive to complaints. SL doesn't need a Ministry of Love to police things or move all the adult stuff to some Gulag.

Accidents happen, make that clear to all the newbies - they goof up they're not being exiled(at least not for a first offense); by the same token, they should be understanding and not immediately have a hissy fit if they're flying by and catch me by surprise, relaxing on the beach with another male.

I havn't read thru all these pages of messages but there does indeed appear to be a great deal of sound and fury here - whether it signifies anything I don't know.

Friendly greetings too Monalisa

I saw all continents via travels. And I bash here no one. It is a bread-dry political/biz analysis, theme adeaquat abit spicy formatted, as ever a twinker included. LL can easy conter that, with being not more prudish than necessary and than nature, intellect and Deix allows. Sorry folks, if you don't know Mr. Deix, - it is an insider-gag from Austria. Mr. Deix is one, who is drawing caricatures, especially about bigot people in Austria and environment and would make a funny job on the LL folks too. And the bible belt is a fact and a flying word, not founded by me, but by critical US intern observers and intellectual medias about a specific scene inside the USA. The better sides of the USA I know very well and commented them often enough positive and have friends there since years.

But along the thread came someone up with a statement wich is not beside the point and wich was about to have also an eye on the potential, that, maybe, relative conservative interests are now standing behind LL's newest decisions. And if you know the USA very good, then you know maybe also, wich obscure organisations are behind all these weird rating-systems there i.e. arating agency for Hollywood productions... and wich, like this PG, Mature, Adult system of LL, if you agree, are very meaningless for europeans in general. We are used to accept a line wich is simple the 18+ line, for being self-responsible. No additional ratings needed. And it cannot be possible, that specific and less or more arbitrarily rules from wherever, are now a trap for the whole international community wich SL de facto is. And under 4 eyes Monalisa: me was former a german citizen, and a formal austrian citizen I am since only a few years.

Any chance that I saw your nickname in the Standard-online also? No need to answer that here, if so. IM is ok too, if that would be the case. If not, no need to answer. Would be a funny coincidence.

It's not infallible, no. It's just an invisiprim Mega you put out. I've tried it on several people and several prim attachments and they weren't visible from outside the cube. I understand that certain textures aren't blocked by Invisiprim. But even if 1 part out of 10 was still visible, it would be an improvement.

If you want perfection, ask LL to give you a camproof parcel. Until then, this is the best I can do. I _am_ trying to produce useful ideas and not just complain. It doesn't change the fact that this approach by the lindens is stupid and obviously not thought out. And since we can't change their direction, perhaps we can find other ways to adapt. Hiding stuff so it can't be seen from the roads may be all it takes to keep from being thrown into pornsylvania.

Sounds like an box with invisprim textures on the outside and transparent on the inside..

By doing either of those, SuzieQ Unverified has waived her right to be offended by anything she sees.

You've taken more than reasonable precautions to protect your privacy and not to offend the sensibilities of others.

Once the box gets big enough, object-object occlusion comes into play. It's not reliable, though, stuff flickers in and out. An opaque box or even making the walls of your house 24-bit textures works as well... or as badly.

Exactly, on a hollowed 16m cube. Offering it as a potential tool to help, that's all.

Originally Posted by Meade Paravane
Sounds like an box with invisprim textures on the outside and transparent on the inside..


my home is bigger than that...besides which whats to keep someone from camming inside?
seems like a waste of time to me.

I am soooo putting this in my profile when I get home from work...

Thanks.

Yes I have heard that.

Ahh see that's where I disagree with you. If someone were to be in a strip club and walk out on stage stark naked and stand there I think we would all agree that it was nudity, but I don't think anybody would call that stripping. I also don't think that someone lying on a nude beach would be considered to be "stripping". Based on that they are different things. While nudity is an element of stripping, I'm not sure that it's sufficient on its own to make it considered adult, since LL have said that nude beaches are not per se "adult"-rated.

I don't care what "one man" thinks - for the sake of this discussion, it's only important what LL think.


Yes, but those samples have to be representative samples.The point has been made many many times on this forum that the Forum denizens do not make a representative sample of the SL population.

/me sways a little as I watch the next round of alcohol being poured.

"you know we could have anything up to another 4-6 hrs before he comes back?"

Just for your information, you quoted the wrong person here.

Protecting the young ones in sl from being confronted with 'Adult stuff'.
Why only on mainland ???
The way i see it :

Sl should be ONLY a place for adults or people should all registrer if they want to be able to get acces to 'ADULT STUFF'!!!
But why give the estateowners the option on the private sims to flag the sims or parcels. This should NOT be an option at all. It is likely and expected that the people offering adult pleasure will loose costumers on mainland..... and a big move to private sims will be the result.
This however can be avoided simply by making a rule that ALL adult pleasure and shops only can be placed on flagged sims (including the private sims).

If lindenlab excepts underaged people in this game, they should also take the responsibility to watch over them !!!!!


What is 'ADULT STUFF'?

This is of course not easy to put in a few words:

Sex: the shops who sell sex animated things, the escort and stripclubs, all the pornographic pictures.
Violence : Weapons or sims with military role play.

In fact all the things that we as parents do not want our kids to be confronted with.
Teens are to young to make those choices, they are just seeking the excitement.
Adults can make their own choices.

So Lets flag ALLLLLLLLLLL sims and lands where thre is adult activity !!!!!!

actually...i quoted both people...

Originally Posted by Wynochee LeShelle
Watching the USA from Europe, it would be no wonder, if the bible belt were now wrapped around our international necks too and pulled tighter day by day until we are out of breath, if we are not awake, careful and smart dissident

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Originally Posted by Monalisa Robbiani
After all it always comes down to USA bashing and politics. Very interesting.

Greetings from a fellow Austrian, who has lived in more than just 1 continent.



/me growls.."why do you bash the USA when its LL that you should be mad at?"

See...two quotes..i did that so people wuold know what i was talking about...

Perhaps. However I find it far more likely that this is simply the latest bad business decision from a comapny with a history of making bad business decisions.

Not every dumb thing a corporation does is due to some supposed right-wing, puritanical, christian-organized global consperacy. Sometimes (mostly) it's just plain old human stupidity.

Teens will rebel anyway, best to let them do so and see what's out there and get it out of there syatem, it'll get to them one way or another.

As for us adults, we know what we're getting into when we sign up, this is supposed to be an adult world, the fact that they're talking of mergin an ADULT site with a KID one is complete crap, that just means we won't be free to be adults anymore, now we have to once again be 13.

I think you misunderstood. That IS what they said. If a private estate has adult content, the owner has to flag it as adult. It's not an option. The owner has the option of booting their adult content tenants out OR flagging their entire island as ADULT.

In the latest LL blog entry, we see that LL will soon be offering a stand-alone version of SL that can be run behind a corporate firewall, and that will have (or not, at the user's choice) more or less connectivity to the main Second Life grid.

Well, this is indeed a wonderful milestone in making the SL product attractive to commercial clients. But as soon as I saw it, I realized...

Most of the motives we've attributed to LL for this Adult Content fiasco don't apply any more! A great many of us have been thinking that the reason (one of them, anyway) behind this move was to "clean up" SL and make it "safe" for corporate customers.

But that's not true, is it, Blondin? Corporate customers don't NEED a cleaned up SL! They can have their very own, squeaky clean and controlled version!

So once again, doubled, redoubled, and squared: WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS???! If it is to placate some perceived "moral majority", take a look at these threads and get a clue. Take a look at what percentage of SL is PG vs. Mature, and get a clue. Take a look at your very own TOS and Community Standards, which we all believed and agreed to when we signed up, and get a clue.

Haven't got your clue yet? Here it is, free of charge: THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUR CUSTOMERS DON'T WANT THIS.

How about, just this once, actually LISTENING to your customers?

Travel can never give you the insight into other cultures you get from living there. The conflict we see here is (also) based on different cultural standards about sexuality and different opinions on what is supposed to be "ok" or "offensive". Keep in mind that SL needs to target an international audience. The smallest common denominator is what they are aiming for. This may not always be fitting our personal beliefs.



Not going to discuss conspiracy theories with you.



Meaning you basically never left the realm of your own culture and language. That of course makes it hard to even grasp the basics of thinking that is common in other parts of the world.



Possibly. I don't read that newspaper. You may send me a link though.