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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Dogboat Taurog
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04-02-2009 05:29
sl laws of contract do not apply in my country.
end of story.
not trolling just correcting you.
Bhakta Thor
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Join date: 31 Jan 2008
Posts: 291
hey great place
04-02-2009 05:31
From: Mystique Chambers
Nany,

I am really taking offense of the name calling..the last post calling us "losers" and all the other remarks is so uncalled for.

I own 1/2 a mainland sims. I have a themed clothing store and themed furniture store there. A huge garden that is beautiful. A pond with a few couples cuddles around it. Tree houses with a couples cuddle or few on top. Nothing sexual. There are romantic little spots all over for couples dancing. It took forever to build. My business partner spent over two years building and constructing. He is proud of his work as I am for him doing it. Together we built an empire.

On this 1/2 mainland sims there is a small brothel. It doesn't and has never paid for itself. No public sex. NONE. Yes a few of the girls for a few lindens could teleport high in the sky in a skybox they rented to service them. But other then this none. I also work the brothel but I seldom..perhaps once a month might wander off in a skybox and yes, fully service someone. Again, not in public.


This sounds like a wonderful place, and a great example of how to handle Adult material. I would love to visit it sometime. Although, I am not sure I can handle any more soul mates.
BT
Kator Bergson
I'm freakin out man!
Join date: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 125
04-02-2009 05:34
From: Bhakta Thor
This sounds like a wonderful place, and a great example of how to handle Adult material. I would love to visit it sometime. Although, I am not sure I can handle any more soul mates.
BT

I may not end up meeting my soulmate there, but always looking for great places to hang out and so far I'm sold. lol
LANDMARK ME! Or I'll just stalk your profile and get it that way... yeah!
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-02-2009 05:42
From: Mystique Chambers
Nany,


Mostly though through my years in the brothel I got to know peoples real lives. Some are in wheel chairs and are disabled and can no way be able to afford a paying account. Some are even dying of cancer, heart problems. Some have died. What they wanted more then anything was a place where they could live out their dreams and be free from the horrors of real life. 2 years ago I knew a Gorean Master that was paralysed from the neck down, partial use of one arm only. He once told me that SL gave his the chance to feel like a whole man again.

So don't call these people "losers" because they are fulfilling a dream to have a better life than what has been handed to them in First Life. So don't call me a loser nor my business partner a loser because of the hours building to fulfill a dream.

No, the only losers here are those that can't see beyond their nose at the lives being thrown away like someones bad secret.

One of my best friends in SL her husband in real life has colon cancer. They are in a battle for life. During small get away times she can find, she is a beautiful silk dancer at my brothel. For those moments she can be free in being someone that makes her happy and there isn't sadness. Its her get away. Is she a "loser" too?

Enough with the name calling. We are all here for unknown reasons. Not everyone here is here making millions. We are not smiling as we run with our bags full of lindens and cash out. Many of us barely make tier. We are simply fulfilling dreams.


That was the original promise of Second Life. LL may still use that dream as part of their marketing but they don't understand what that means to individuals. They've only ever seen us as socially isolated junkies and you can see that attitude rubbing off on the likes of Nany and her ilk.

Your world, your imagination is gone and the dream is fading. The new continent will end up being something harsher (as in 'in your face') and less diverse I would think. But I also think that it will be more welcoming and far more tolerant than what will be left behind.

If LL decide to give us all age verified status then we'd be fine and then new continent would be a win for all - particularly now since its some incredible size and growing daily. Let the new joiners be filtered.
Wynochee LeShelle
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Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
04-02-2009 05:51
From: Neptune Shelman
Katheryne, Saiki, Ceera, Valerius and Lindal who actually seemed to get the note of sarcasm maybe you can calm down a bit now.

I am not calling for furries to be sent to the adult continent, I actually have a tiny furry AV I sometimes use myself.

I do think very selective seperation of some very extreme and distastfull content would be good, and there may even be a case for age varifying such stuff.

But LL's apparent stance on what constitutes as adult, seems way off things I would actually call extreme, pretty much the only stuff I would think should be locked away are actual real life hardcore porn or horrific rl photos, videos of extreme violence decapitation etc.

The point I was trying to make is LL have decided to declare strip clubs filled with virtual avatars dancing naked to adult areas, but have had the sense to allow nudist beaches to remain as mature, do they not think people could dance round a camp fire on a nudist beach? There is no sense in such decision making, RP allow combat sims but not Gorean rp.

So it wouldnt surprise me, if they sent furry av's child av's and a whole lot of other stuff to the new adult area, where obviously it should never be, along with av skins, beds etc.


You pointed on something there, at wich I can knott...

My problem will be to debate with them, about how can I manage my new bible-shop, if I change from being an architect and interior designer and occasionally Vampire, to be a Fundmantal Christian (with hidden vampire fangs then, unfortunaly). Because I do every thing in my life with full strength and consequently straight forward. A bible shop is, from its own nature, a perfect business for a PG region. But my upcoming fundamentalism, very much inspired by the new game-policy, will make it obligatory necessary that I cannot sell bibles to non-virgins, because I will also enter the strong growing market for chastity-belts, because, well, imagine a bible-shop, without a bit casual fundamentalism fashion?

And here starts the dilemma: to hold my fundamental mind and my elite-fundamental reputation then free from sin, I *have* (this is the mission then from very above) to sell my bibles then *only* to strict virgin females and some of the here and there in strict enclosure living monks in game.

This needs, this is obviously and inevitable: controlling.

Since I am unable to trust other people - especially not in case of such sensible questions - I *need* to control the virginity of my female customers by myself. So, I have to create a room in front of my bible-shop, where I can check visual (!) and tactile (!) , if my female customers are virgins or not. I *have* fitting instruments available for that by nature.

It *is* logical, that I cannot open my bible - and chastity-belt shop on the adult-continent, because none of my potential customers would tp to a mature or an adult zone.

Rather they would burn themselfs to ash.

So, I need to locate my fundamentalism supplies shop strict on a PG sim, to be available for my customers - but for the above explained ultra-clean fundamentalism reasons and my own salvation and for the health of my rott...,sorry, I mean for my deeply believing soul, I need to check my clientele precise and severely.

So, now LL, bring me out of this dilemma! What should I do? Blondin? (this is the man who knows all, as we know...)
Patasha Marikh
Here to watch the show
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 294
04-02-2009 05:52
From: Sindy Tsure
And where are these brown bag things?? I'm a concierge resident with all mainland, have ~30,000 in non-bot, non-camping traffic and have fairly good technical knowledge on how SL works.

Aside from me being increasingly annoyed at LL, is there some reason why somebody like me wouldn't get invited to one of these meets?


Because you have fairly good technical knowledge of how SL works, silly. Why would LL dare want people who they can't BS to be a part of their shoving this down everyone's throats. If they just just invite the people they can tell... "well we would do that but the flux capacitor would decompile and it would result in a neutrino emission that could disable the analogue dielectric of the grid"... who will then all nod their heads as if they understand, then LL can say "we discussed this with a cross section of the population and they all understood and agreed."

Patasha
Bhakta Thor
Escape from RL
Join date: 31 Jan 2008
Posts: 291
New Land?
04-02-2009 05:54
From: Couldbe Yue
. But I also think that it will be more welcoming and far more tolerant than what will be left behind.

If LL decide to give us all age verified status then we'd be fine and then new continent would be a win for all - particularly now since its some incredible size and growing daily. Let the new joiners be filtered.

We can maybe make the best of a bad bargain...if they give us land comparable to what we have. I love my plot.
BT
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
04-02-2009 06:05
From: Bhakta Thor
We can maybe make the best of a bad bargain...if they give us land comparable to what we have. I love my plot.
BT



I love my land too. I have snowy mountain top and a tropical beach for me and a nice bit of flat grassland with neighbours who have set up lovely gardens for the shop. Give me those on the new continent and I'll happily go.
Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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04-02-2009 06:17
and one last post for those of you who may need a little bolstering in the fight with LL



Sometimes it's easy to forget that it's real people we're talking about here.
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-02-2009 06:41
From: Dogboat Taurog


heres one, are existing residents going to be given grandfather rights regarding age verification, so existing residents with no piof will have the same rights as piof and also have access to mature and adult areas?


This was address in a previous thread. There have not been any thoughts about grandfathering accounts.
Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
04-02-2009 06:42
From: Neptune Shelman
Katheryne, Saiki, Ceera, Valerius and Lindal who actually seemed to get the note of sarcasm maybe you can calm down a bit now.

I am not calling for furries to be sent to the adult continent, I actually have a tiny furry AV I sometimes use myself.
Well, I had somewhat hoped that might be the case, which is why I gave it an entirely in-character response as my anthro fox Kitsune avatar. Unfortunately, comments like the one you made are like tossing around gasoline and light-anywhere matches. Someone is sure to take it seriously, and start the flames going. Even if you just meant it as sarcasm.
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Bhakta Thor
Escape from RL
Join date: 31 Jan 2008
Posts: 291
Hysterical
04-02-2009 06:47
From: Wynochee LeShelle
You pointed on something there, at wich I can knott...

My problem will be to debate with them, about how can I manage my new bible-shop, if I change from being an architect and interior designer and occasionally Vampire, to be a Fundmantal Christian (with hidden vampire fangs then, unfortunaly). Because I do every thing in my life with full strength and consequently straight forward. A bible shop is, from its own nature, a perfect business for a PG region. But my upcoming fundamentalism, very much inspired by the new game-policy, will make it obligatory necessary that I cannot sell bibles to non-virgins, because I will also enter the strong growing market for chastity-belts, because, well, imagine a bible-shop, without a bit casual fundamentalism fashion?


Oh, this is hysterically funny. I had not considered the possibility of role playing a fundamentalist prostitute...We could have stoneings. I know this sounds awful, and I am just being playfully sarcastic. I believe in live and let live and my grandmother was a wonderful fundamentalist from Tennessee. But, this made me laugh.
BT
Summer Golding
Support Adult Content
Join date: 21 Sep 2005
Posts: 25
Agrees !!!!!
04-02-2009 06:48
From: Vector Spaight
Bickering helps nothing. There are many facets to the adult community on SL, and some might not be everyone else's cup of tea. But right now, Linden doesn't care. They're trying to shaft us all equally. If you want to hep stop this, we need to stop with the bickering, the inter-clique fighting, and the 'it's hopeless' spiel. We are LL's customers. When customers are displeased with a service, they let the company know, usually with their money, or lack thereof. If this comes to pass, I will be abandoning my land, thus making it Governor Linden's land, and unbuyable. I'll cancel my Lindex account, and reduce my tier to nothing. Downgrade to a free account, and cancel my payment information. At that point, Linden will be getting nothing from me.

At this point, we can only hope to let Linden know that we are angry, and that we are not going to take this lying down. We need to let them know that they segregate us, they gut their own profit model.


I agree with this and this is my plan exactly the day someone comes to me or my business and says it has to be relocated to certain death, is the day they will no longer receive any of my money, I see it as if my business means nothing, then neither does my money. I have found some very promising alternatives to LL/SL as well. Places where we may all have what we used to have here before all the witch hunts started.

As I have stated in my previous replies... The Sims Online, started this as well, infringing on people telling them what they could and could not have in thier profiles, removing their information from their profiles and suspending accounts, and now there is no such place called The Sims Online, we the users SEEN TO THAT!!!

Implementing this will be LL's / SL's downfall and doom, they might as well shut down doing something so needless. And to think they wanted to be successful. Will let you all know if I find something great in my searches. :) After all I came across this and brought thousands with me here I feel responsible in a way for telling them they had freedom here, freedom of creativity, freedom of expression, freedom of experience, and now that is all but a lie. I owe it to them...

And where are my ANSWERS... What is this the 7th 8th new one and still NO ANSWERS !!!
Surrealist Seesaw
Registered User
Join date: 17 Aug 2007
Posts: 65
04-02-2009 06:49
From: Blondin Linden
This was address in a previous thread. There have not been any thoughts about grandfathering accounts.

Blondin, with respect, do you have any idea how frustrating it is that you pop in to address an odd question of your choosing every 10-15 pages, leaving major concerns unanswered? I thought the whole point of this thread was that we WOULD get some idea of what was going on - you made such a promising start :(
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
04-02-2009 06:50
From: Valerius Constantine
Does that sound about right, gang?


Sounds about right
Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
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Posts: 2,870
04-02-2009 06:51
From: Couldbe Yue
That's not my experience. I have had some of the British contingent try to drag me into their paranoiac dramas there where they're feeling put upon because they've behaved trollishly and have been slapped down by the owner. Oddly enough they make the same complaint about IC.


Well the ones i had in mind weren't British but also knew JB personally but anyways thats not for here :)

From: someone
You're right, they are different platforms but the intent is still the same. 2d fantasy is just less visual than 3d. The point here is that if you want to call your customers residents then you extend to the the courtesy of providing information, having a 2 way dialogue and acting honestly.


I agree whether its this website or our website or SL then the company should be transparent and honest to its customers and those that want to do business with it, and that goes from falsely inflating membership figures to acting in good faith for the customers :)

From: someone
The one thing I am not in SL is a resident. I *am* a customer of Linden Labs, I pay a quite extortionate amount for what can be considered server space and supporting infrastructure. I have no interest in their survival other than as a medium to generate income. When they finally fade to a point that it is no longer economical for me to be here I'll pack everything up, switch to a non subscription account and sit back and watch the final decline.


We to use SL to advertise our website and have done for sometime now and for us i think SL has a while to go before it becomes uneconomical as we are able to claim it as business advertising and even with all this hassle at the moment it still remains for us a good vehicle to get our site name out and continues to bring in members and gives our existing membership base some 3d space to play in.

From: someone
I see them in no different light to the way they view and behave towards me. It's a purely business relationship.


I totally agree with you :)

From: someone
Except of course because of my ever decreasing goodwill towards this company there is an air of satisfaction about watching them struggle. Call me whatever you like for displaying his negative trait but I'm only human :)


Thats just human nature :P
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Skatoulaki Nakamori
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So everyone knows what Blondin was replying to...I went back and found it...
04-02-2009 06:59
From: Valerius Constantine
it looks as if the private islands will have to decide whether to flag or not on an estate/per sim level. They will have their access changed exactly like mainland- If they are flagged "adult" then nobody who isn't verified (either through LL/xstreetsl payment info or aristotle age verification) will be able to go there.

There have been many folks who have complained about this- especially people who are renting sims that they will no longer be allowed into if the owner decides to flag.

Does that sound about right, gang?

-V-

The more I read this forum and the short little answers to the odd questions that Blondin pops in to give every few hundred postings, the more I think LL is just laughing at this...does not leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling:\
Inigo Catteneo
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Blondin
04-02-2009 07:02
Blondin Linden,


could you please address the issue(s) I addressed in my post on page 22 of this thread?
/352/11/314444/14.html#post2377220

Thanks in advance!
Summer Golding
Support Adult Content
Join date: 21 Sep 2005
Posts: 25
Excuse Me !!!
04-02-2009 07:04
From: Nany Kayo
It's really nice of LL to let you few sorry losers go on and on like this. But it probably won't last more than a couple more days, you know.

Bye : )


Who are you calling "Losers" ??
A. Most if not all of us own successful businesses here in SL, that is why we are here because we do not want to see it ruint over NOTHING.
B. We are still, as we have been, asking questions without answers to something so terribly wrong. If anyone could provide us with ANSWERS we would not still be asking questions.

We all contribute to LL, financially, so how dare you call anyone here losers.. If you do not like the content we offer you are not forced to come and see it. You are among the FEW that are soooo offended by everything, and as you see the VAST amount of people that have choosen SL as a place to come and express themselves with the freedoms allowed here, that make this place turn into everyday life.. This is not REAL LIFE, this is a place of FREEDOM or was....

My mom used to tell me and maybe you should think about this, everytime you point a finger, there are four pointing back at you..... Not sure what you do here in SL, but I am sure if I was the type of person who became easily offended, which I am NOT, I am certain I can fnd something you do offensive...
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
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04-02-2009 07:04
From: Gigan Seraph
This doesn't seem to need segregation of every "adult" thing to a new sim, just a more real-life look at zoning and planning, and applying a case-by-case basis to deconflict spaces.


That was an interesting post. Thanks for your comments.
Lord Sullivan
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04-02-2009 07:04
From: Couldbe Yue
and one last post for those of you who may need a little bolstering in the fight with LL



Sometimes it's easy to forget that it's real people we're talking about here.


Thanks for posting as that was an interesting read and shows how SL can help others less fortunate than ourselves :) I wonder though whether this sort of thing is the driving force to move us adult content peeps to a new land thereby creating a better experience for folks that are maybe socially disadvantaged skill wise?
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Lord Sullivan
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04-02-2009 07:07
From: Blondin Linden
This was address in a previous thread. There have not been any thoughts about grandfathering accounts.


If all existing accounts with no verified details are "grandfathered" as "account verified" does not that defeat the object of account verification in the first place? as how many underage players are already on the grid i wonder.

Just wondering :)
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Kara Spengler
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04-02-2009 07:07
Valerius Constantine ==>
Does that sound about right, gang?
From: Blondin Linden
Sounds about right

Blondin: you might want to quote a bit more of things to put them in context. :)
Scott Savira
Not Scott Saliva
Join date: 10 Aug 2008
Posts: 357
04-02-2009 07:07
This is one user who was spooked into not purchasing land on the mainland.

I downgraded to basic awhile back (not because of any LL policies, but because I simply wasn't utilizing the land). Recently, I was researching land on the mainland to buy for some "adult" activities. The intent was for it to be private, but I want the freedom to make it public if I wanted to. This adult content fiasco stopped me from purchasing it though.

My problem is.... if I did purchase the land, and made it private, I probably wouldn't get a free land swap to Ursula. Correct? My assumption that only public adult venues that are FORCED to move will get a free ride with the land swap. Perhaps that's an incorrect assumption, but it's the conclusion I drew due to lack of information from LL. If that were the case, then suddenly I'd be stuck with a hunk of land I can't do what I want to with, can't sell it, and can't afford to pay the inflated price to live in Ursula.

My solution is to just not buy any land for now. I'll remain basic. This probably means that I won't get a free-ride land swap and be forced to shell out a bajillion dollars to buy a small parcel in Ursula later on. God... and we thought Bay City was bad.
Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
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04-02-2009 07:11
From: Couldbe Yue
The only answers we're likely to get are silence.


For what it's worth, I'm attempting to identify 8 questions a day, discuss them with the team and bring answers back to the forum. I was able to do it Tuesday from questions I gathered on Monday and then again on Wednesday with questions I gathered on Tuesday. I'm almost ready to post another 8.
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