Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Thats the big thing. Businesses and education. Both pay poorly. And, 1st life corporations are actually leaving SL because their FL marketing methods don't work here. Companies like coke, who have nothing to offer SL, get no traffic, and pull out because it's not generating instant profits. The lynchpin of Linden's whole operation is tier. And if that dries up, they have nothing, because if the adult businesses dry up, why would people buy money on Lindex?

My guess is that some fundamentalist christian group has given a large donation to Linden Lab, and on seeing all those zeros, they're pulling this crap without regards to the future of their own economy.

but with a VAT number, they have payment info on file. I'm talking aboub those without any form verification, age or financial.

and I'm not saying that it's *everyone* by any means, but it's kinda silly to think that the free, anonymous accont isn't being kept in place as a way to tap the teen market. Just like the "I am over 18" box on RL porn sites.

Teens have money, teens spend money. there can be both good and bad reasons to stay anonymous, is all I'm saying.

-V-

How amusing when LL tried to hard to connect SL to Open Grid, when that gate opens to the general public instead of just the beta-testers, what are they trying to block then?

Once that gate is opened, they absolutely have no control over whatever content is available out in the universe.

Are they going to block the Open Grid the minute they open the gate?

How funny!

The genie is out already, how do LL even think they can put it back into the bottle?

The corps failed because they were on their own isolated areas, which made it easy to avoid them. And the residents did. But with a sanitized mainland, the corps can set up where people can't avoid them as easily. The early adoptors may abandon the mainland, but LL will be counting on the PG grid to draw in many more mainstream users, and selling that idea to the corps. More traffic and eyeballs to sell to than the old school residents. I could even see sponsored welcome/orientation areas. I'm not saying it will succeed, or that that coprs have even bought into it themselves, but I do think that is a more logical motive than any sort of moral crusade.

That is exactly how they will lose the control completely.

I would love to see corporations like Penthouse, Hustler and Playboy come in and join the mainland grid.

They failed because their stuff sucked. Islands with interesting things survive.

Move crap to the mainland, and people will still avoid it. If boring crap is all that's in SL, they'll simply go somewhere else for entertainment.

Actually, Coke totally "gets it".

Coke doesn't need to spend any money to get advertising and product placement in SL.

All they need to do is say "we're not going to go after people making 'coke themed' stuff in SL".

And they did.

http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/06/28/coca-cola-gives-away-its-trademark-in-sl/

Not unless you're on a Homestead (low prim) sim. This is not a general tier increase, this is the final stage in their "OMG, we Foxtrot Uniformed the pricing on OpenSpaces and we're actually losing money on them." kerfuffle.

Oh, I'm agreeing with you, but for different reasons You're saying that a client side solution is too hard technically because the server will have to read the client and then download only the content that client is "allowed" to see. I'm saying that a client-side solution would only work if the operator of the client is responsible for telling the client software what sort of content they want to be protected *from*, As in "Don't bother to download anything with an "x" tag".
LL won't do that because they aren't interested in empowerment but only prevention.

So, I'm agreeing with you, but with an explaination!

-V-

groan

Well, I'm assuming that they gotta sleep *sometime*

-V-

I'm still curious as to where I will fall in all of this. I co-own a comedy club on "mature" mainland - am sandwiched between a house rezzer, a private (but large) residence, a private community and some open land. We have never had complaints from our neighbors and get along with all of them just fine.

I'd like to know if this once proposed but now obviously something that has been planned and residents opinions were not ever going to matter is going to affect our club?

We have two owners to the club.

Our land is split between the two of us and does not belong to the same group - will we be assured land next to each other so we can rebuild if it is necessary for us to move?

We don't have folks running around nude nor do we have any sexual acts appearing on our property (though as owners, our private residences are in the sky above the club)

Adult conversations are not unheard of on our land but not blatant sex acts in either local voice or open local chat.

We often have comedians who perform in our club who, at times, do broach adult topics.

It seems to me that with this forced relocation of those LL considers "seedy" is clearly violating #1 in its own community standards:

"Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life. "

Thank you! Thank You! I'll be here all week! Try the veal, and remember to tip your waitresses!

-V-

From my understanding your safe, we recently had talks with a Linden in regards to a D/s school we ranon a mature sim. We were told as nothing sexual happened even though the talk is of adult nature we were not an issue. I would assume your comedy club would be the same. Private homes are fine as long as its all kept inside out of public view

it happened to me, too...until i finally filed a support ticket.

Blondin gave out an invite, that if you sent him a notecard with your LM and general information, he would stop by and check out your store/etc....i sent it, and still have not heard from him.

multiple tickets, multiple concierge chats, multiple ARs.. and still a less than acceptable sim, but I suppose the governance team is busy doing things like slapping down people who have 2 for sale signs on their plot.

so far, most discussion has been about a new continent,
are private islands exempt, follow different rules, or just being ignored?

Quote:

"Intolerance:
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life. "

end quote

Relocting any group, whether its due to its "extreme adultness", race, color, creed, sex etc etc etc is maginalising them, inhibiting them (reduces free and open exchange due to smaller market/smaller access), belittles them (a small number of residents/rl corporations complain so marginailised group is forced to move to apease the first group- ergo now less important than the first group).

Does LL recognise and realise that the reason that this discussion has grown so big, without even the majority of SL residents aware of it, is the simple fact that LL is breaking the comunity standard that has helped make SL the place of bubbling variety, ideas, and infusion that has built this land. (And all other free and prosperous RL nations).

I urge LL to rethink this entire rationale. Feel free to create a PG island for those who do not wish to have their bland world challenged by new ideas, concepts and interaction. interaction that makes SL great. I am ADULT, I will not be forced to move.

LL do not kill your own child before it shows the world what it can really do.

Cheers

it looks as if the private islands will have to decide whether to flag or not on an estate/per sim level. They will have their access changed exactly like mainland- If they are flagged "adult" then nobody who isn't verified (either through LL/xstreetsl payment info or aristotle age verification) will be able to go there.

There have been many folks who have complained about this- especially people who are renting sims that they will no longer be allowed into if the owner decides to flag.

Does that sound about right, gang?

-V-

No way of directly helping?? That's BS, Blondin. Lindens are gods in SL - that's why they get that thing called God Mode.

The real answer is: of course Lindens could help but they don't want to. It'd be too much work that you don't feel like doing.

/me grows increasingly annoyed at being treated like she's stupid. Do you guys really believe this crap that you're spouting? Tell me again how this is about giving us more choices and keeping things safe for kids and all that.


/me translates: "No. We stuffed age verification down your throats 2 years ago and didn't put any thought into it then so why would we now?"


Great. This has been a complaint for YEARS. Nice to see you working on it.


Yes. It's better to wait until it's far too late for them to complain - leave it until you're way past the part where you're 'discussing' this stuff with us.

Mm....Well this is actually my first time looking at this....
You know, I find it completely wrong, but I can understand why some people would love to have this idea, and this is mainly pointed towards those over-protective parental types, who believe in a world that just doesn't exist, not everything is nice, nor is it bad.
If you are going to make it PG, and then have people verify to do the normal adult things they usually were to do, and yet some adults do not have the required information nor do they want to give out information that may be needed.

Like I said, I completely understand about maybe, some complaints towards nudity, and yet I still say this, even on the forums, "If you do not like nudity, move on, if you do not like the words I am using, mute me"
It's not that hard, as for teens that are playing this, and are not in the teen grid of SL, what makes you think they won't just get the required information they need to see the non-PG content?

I am not sure if this has been answered or not, nor do I know if I have a right to post this because I only just now heard about this and have no clue when this started.

If anyone could enlighten me perhaps...Then maybe I could have a better understanding, and yes this is coming from someone who loves walking around naked, so of course my post would be rash and not thought through before posting.

I've been following this for a little over a week. That's when I heard about it. By that time, LL had already mostly finished their changes to the viewer, and had started the new continent, which is now up to over 200 sims.

All without a definiton as to what constitues "adult content"

And eys, I know that there have been bits and pieces of that definition, but they are fragmented and contradictory.

So, welcome to the discussion Darla- You know about as much as the rest of us!

-V-

Well, I find it stupid...They have had a great community, number wise of course...And yet, they're most likely going to lose half of it
You said there was over 200 sims, and yet at the total of players, 200 over like what, 2 million?

I see that a lot of the answers in this thread are replies to what Meade asked in the blog. Except the one above, which seems to be have been ignored. Again.

Can we get an answer to this question that's been asked over and over since the initial announcement?