Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

They are not forcing you to verify what they are saying is if you dont then you will still be able to come to SL but not go to places that are adult/mature. They will not suspend your account just not let you into the adult areas. Also looking at your profile you are age verified already via PIU.

1. Give it a good name. First, Ursula is a RL forename. I'm not sure the Ursulas of this world are gonna want a pornucopia named after them. Second, it's BORING. Don't you have any advertising/marketing people on staff? At the very least, hold a resident naming/voting contest.

2. Give it an 'Xtreme' rating. Don't use the term 'adult' because it is ambiguous (see previous posts and point 4 below).

3. Limit access to the new continent to verified accounts. To the best of my knowledge, you are legally protected if you accept credit card, PayPal or ID-based age verification in addition to the TOS. If you feel you need extra protection (pun intended), you could limit access to transaction-verified (payment info used) or (inclusive 'or') ID-verified residents.

4. Offer the land to existing mainland residents who define themselves or their businesses as 'Xtreme'. This saves a world of pain for everyone since it is an individual, self-defining label. If you agree that those seeking to move are in the ballpark of what you consider 'Xtreme' then, as the British say, "Bob's your uncle."

5. Use the carrot instead of the stick. Offer incentives (fee tier for a year, an escrow service for internal parcel swaps should businesses conflict etc.)

6. Sell the remaining land via auction (full sims, various sized parcels) to all residents who are verified.

While there are probably flaws in this plan, it avoids the meltdown of trying to define 'adult'. Moreover, the continent should be 'sold' to residents as a garden instead of a ghetto.

So your all in favor of this change, think it is wonderful, well, here is a few points for you:

If this goes through as planned, If you run a business in the mature/pg areas, count on a big drop in sales.

People in the adult areas, gor, bdsm, etc spend a lot of money, and a lot of that is in stores all over sl.

Well if this goes through, a sub wearing a chastity belt would be ar'ed in a mature or pg sim. So guess what, she or he will stay in the adult sims.

A sub denied clothing will do the same. Oh and you think thier Doms are going to come where their subs are not welcome??

Presently subs can cover up and come to any pg sim and shop etc., but we are told now that will change.

Well if you sell, clothing, furniture, houses, etc. Either plan on moving to a adult accessable area or see a large drop in sales.

don't own a business?

Think it does not concern you?? Well lets see, what will you do when your favorite club or sim closes because they can't afford the teir because the traffic dropped drastically, or the vendors all moved to adult sims. Us adults support a lot of the pg clugs, sims etc.

Own land??

What willl you do when prices drop suddenly when all these people refuse to buy where their subs or slaves can't go?

The fact is as the rules read now, most of the adults i talk to state simply they will stop coming to any mature or pg sim, because they can't be bothered to try to figure out all the rules and what they can and can't wear, do, say, have on thier profile, etc.

So if you planned on gettign rid of all us adults you may get your wish. Of course our money, lindens, avatars, traffic counts will go with us.

So this is not just an adult issue.

oh LETS ADD A FEW,

Who do you think will replace all that teir money that your sim looses when that club you hate so much moves? Answer, well at soe point YOU!! When the Sim owner or Sl ups tiers for you and the rest of the residents or the Lindens do when they have a glut of vacant land.

Who will replace all the rent money when all those adult vendors leave the malls? Answer, the remaining vendors who's rent will increase for less traffic or the mall closes.

Don't forget "The Lathe of Heaven" 1971

How appropriate!

First off I am not in favour of the change but I see a few things here that i dont fully agree with.
A chastity belt was an item worn discretely under clothing so if it is covered no issue.

As for a sub denied clothing well lets look at this another way, if they are is it because they are being punished if so then they should not be going out. Another view is the when in Rome if you want to take you slave out then you follow the rules of the place your going and cover up.
I have not heard anything about subs not being allowed in PG sims if they are covered and follow the sim rules ( same as it is now) I am a slave and i often go to PG areas and never had an issue

I can see a LOT of conflict and confusion with that exception. Two humans in the missionary position = typical sex bed, is that what you mean? What if it is two Goreans playing slave and master (what they would call typical)? What if it is two furries using all the animal parts needed (what they would call normal)? I bet there are many people who would want that kind of activity to be classified as adult. Who is going to decide what is "typical/normal/acceptable" and what is "adult"? Either you ban sex in the non adult parts of SL or you don't. All those exceptions *will* someone make cry discrimination all over again.

Actually they are not completely covered and there are linden quotes that any sex related device MUST be removed before entering a mature/pg sim. Further they were asked about a chastity belt specifically and were told that would be viewed as sex related.



Just one example hun, We can't even get a striaght answer on collars yet. and lets not even start with tattoos or brands.

I am just telling you that members in my sims that know aobut the changes have stated over and over agian they will just boycott the mature/pg sims if the changes go through because if the new rules.

Because they'll be keeping anonymous free accounts as a way to attract new users, without having to be too picky about how old they are. after they get the grid all nice and PG, then they can just go above board about it.

Age verification/payment info is to keep them from getting sued over some teenager that they have tacitly encourgaed to join actually seeing something that they joined up to see.
I know that there are many good reasons to not verify one's account, but the best and probably the most common on is because one is too young to attend the party legitemately.




The only reason why any of this would be necessary would be if:
a: there was a big enough outcry amongst current users for a segregation
b: there was a big enough objection from some prospective client about there being sexual content in SL
c: There was an ongoing plan to attract and eventually cater to the "teen" market, and an admission at fairly high levels of the company that most of the anonymous users that aren't bots are probably underage.

I honestly cannot think of any other reason to go through this much trouble




This is the only way that I can see any of the above circumstances being satisfied in any way. segregation of the sexual and violent content simply will not do what LL is *thinking* it will do.

-V-

Collars / necklaces is there a difference really ?

I don't know. I object to Aristotle big time and will not be verifying.

LL have my VAT number, that should be more than enough

I think a collar would be anything with a leash-like appearance.

like a tie??

I can think of many others, all hypothetical of course.

1. The laws that govern this sort of thing are chaotic at best. They are random and applied at the national, state and local level, often with different interpretations. The company I work for has this problem ... I work for a company that is owned by a brewery that is not in the United States. We have completely different rules than the importer of the beer ... same beer, different rules. They have a lobby, and we do not. The people here that insist that the Lindens are "covered" if they do this, or that, have no grasp of reality. The rules are - what the person making them says they are - and your alternative is to spend millions defending yourself in court. Teir increase anyone?

2. The company has a board of directors that want it this way.

3. They have hard numbers that show they will gain via popularity, far more than they will lose due to restrictive policy.

4. They want to shrink, because they were actually more profitable with a smaller grid.

5. They are trying to sell the business.

I could probably go on for about ten more pages ... we really don't want that though.

1...the name ursula is only temporary. When someone buys a sim they can rename it.
2... Xtreme works for me.
3... Verifing an account for overseas people isnt that easy,LL needs to find a way for them to do so.
4... i believe they will offer the land on a 1 to 1 transfer.
5... i like carrots, honey is even better
6... i would assume they would do that.. someone earlier hinted at the extra land bieng use for "other" ratings..i highly doubt that.

would it not be kind of sick and perv to give superhuman strength, speed, durability, flight and X-ray vision to small kids?

Why should they have the same power as we adults?

I find that disturbing and offending to see a kid moving a 937 prims building through the air like it would be a feather.

And flying kids?

With ultra-speed?

And a x-ray cam?

I find that ethical and moralical not ok!

Kids need to know where their borders are!

Duckwalk, one meter cam-restriction and 16 sqm!

Ok, I hate to bring it up again - partly because I was starting to believe that the current initiative wasn't linked to 'merge' (however one wishes to describe it.. but basically, knowingly bringing teens/minors into the main grid). Most of us think it's a bad idea... and we're seeing LL go blue in the face denying this. Fine.

BUT, I've just spent hours making my way through the adult content stakeholder and education stakeholder brownbag audio recordings and one thing just leapt out at me around 29 minutes in to the education one...

..that they not only had representatives of people involved with the Teen Grid (ok, questionable, but fair enough, they're adults - and one even expected the discussion to be more about Teen Grid issues, by the sounds of it) - but LL actually INVITED A TEEN to the brownbag!! (though they didn't appear to have shown - but LL are talking about talking to teens about this issue?!?)

One word. Why?

Postscript: Towards the end, one stakeholder (a Teen Grid educator) alleges that the teens they work with don't want a 'merge' (or a single grid) and don't primarily come to the adult grid for adult content - but for commerce opportunities etc. Even if this issue warrants attention - should it have any impact on these current policy changes? I don't know, to me it sounds like LL are just getting deeper and deeper into a bullet in the foot situation.

...is, and has always been, stupid, ineffective and hypocritical. I has been tried by every fascist power on earth and have always failed. Now the turn have come to SL...so sad, so very very sad. American moral values being imposed on the rest of the world. Sad, stupid, arrogant and narrow-minded.

Well according to the lindens, if it is "Labelled" and scripted yes there is.

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This is the problem with using the term adult when you mean pornography.

You are not saying SL is an adult grid, you are saying it is a pornography grid. And since Second Life is a pornography grid, everyone who comes here should understand they have chosen to see pornography.

I think that lack of clear definition of terminology is a source of confusion and fallacy. Because the term "adult" is being misused, you are arguing that anyone who consents to adult content is consenting to pornography, and that's not necessarily true.

Time and time again, history has shown us human behavior/conduct can never be regulated or legislated.

Even in the digital age of DRM (digital rights management), Apple has just announced today they dropped their DRM on all music bought in iTunes store.

Why? Because it had not worked, did not work and will not work. It did not reduce any piracy. The only thing it did reduce was their own sales!!! Because it makes life so difficult for the law-abiding customers by putting handcuffs on their own purchased music.

By the same token, this LL policy did nothing to curb the behavior of these people who they tried to regulate, except drive out their own law-abiding customers because life becomes so difficult in SL with these new rules that you will have to watch out for every move in SL for fear of violating the TOS and cross that line, when that line is so arbitrarily drawn, with such a gray zone that anything you do can be considered as a violation of TOS.

Just count the shear numbers.

How many people did you please by doing this?
How many people did you alienate by doing this?

I am really hoping that LL's has realized they are not even close to making this happen without hurting secondlife as we all have grown to love. I am really hoping that they didn't realize how much work this is going to mean for all of us. I am really hoping that they never realized that this "adult" move meant more then just "clubs"..or sex for hire. I am really hoping that they serious look at all those that even now are moving, closing shops and other business's and leaving. I am hoping they take another look and see that this is impossible without killing half of SL if not all of it.

Do they really see this as a good thing that 2 months before this move people are leaving? How the heck is this a good positive move? Just today a friend after two years is closing up 4 sims. Thats a lot of cash flow Linden labs is losing out on. Not to mention two sims earlier this week closing. If people are closing up that have sim wide investments the little business are surely going to die out.

All I can think of is LL's must have one heck of a money deal going on to force so many of the people to close down. I am really stunned. Its no longer about the little guy anymore. Second life went BIG business and tossing us all out.

I am trying to think of ways to save my business and I am wondering if I should be running along with everyone else. Is anyone else seeing the closing downs as I am?

well, if anyone is just dumping land, and leaving...toss it my way. I am frustrated with this, but, if they are going to do land swap...i might as well use some of the rest of my tier to grab hold of some smaller parcels, so i can keep presence on both adult and mature...*smiles*

No you keep saying it's a pornography grid, plenty of other people are saying it's easy to avoid, just as people do on the internet despite the presence of pornography, an adult can grasp this.

Maybe they have more a faible for teens, than for adults...

(whatever that could mean...and however one could interprete that...)

But the situation is so or so complete kafkaeske and paradox.

Next time they will invite ants, storks and elephants, if not dolphins...

And then: fruits...

Last decision about the case will be made by a: banana-milkshake...

Conclusion: we have there totalitarism (some say: fascism) - your info tells us that there are also teens involved - thingy is driven by a US-company - and all together they are ruling now *the rest of the world* and hammering and banning our artwork into the ground.

I think I need to hurry to the toilet, my stomach starts to turn 180 degrees...

We are sitting in a trap. Definitly.

it's people like this..















now to me, this should include all those trailer trash outfits that seem to be currently in vogue since they're meant to sexually arouse.. but as you'll see by the first response she was directing it solely at BDSMers since xcite is ok..

now, is LL going to protect me from this patently outrageous insult to intelligence??

I thought not