Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

yes, I'm aware of this, and I have tried numerious times to get verified. LL needs a backup 1stparty age verification system. (note than when I age verified elsewhere I didn't have a problem) (also define "bought something on XstreetSL" if you mean with cash, I never have)

Sorry to dissapoint you dear, but I claim no common ancestor with the apes that you came from. My ancestors were purebred Kitsune, foxes who evolved far beyond your pitiful limits. No hairless Humans ever mixed with MY bloodlines!

has anyone else noticed that Blondin popped in to confirm that furries wouldn't be considered mature and then ran off again?

No offence to our furry bretheren, but there are more important questions that need answering I would have thought.

Hey great. Now respond to some of the other posts - like why having a PG continent is so out of the question, etc.

Careful, my dear. It's not wise to taunt the animals in their cages, even if they themselves made the bars and locked themselves in. Why not just throw them a food pellet or six pack of Schlitz and come look at the Hipporents with me?

none taken lol but yea, I agree, and have posted a few myself.

Hey, we take whatever good news we can get from Chaos Manor...

meh, they're in their cages, poke fun at the all you like

A serious question for the Lindens:

What will you do about adult merchants who do not OWN land, but rather rent space in the hundreds of malls on mature mainland in SL? You'll be forcing them to move, but to what? From twenty 10M x 10M kiosks around the grid, each with a 50 prim limit, to a single parcel of their own with 1,000 prims allocation? What if they aren't a Premium member? Who will be their landlord in Pornotopia? Will LL set up a mall for them? Will LL at least coordinate contacts between these dispossessed merchants and those mall owners who agree to move to Pornotopia?

I could well have been in that position, had I opted to continue developing a line of collars, cuffs, restraints and cages that I was making last year. I ceased development on those Adult products when you first insisted on the abortive and never-worked-right adult parcel flagging and Aristotle verification. But what if I hadn't? What if that was me, with twenty kiosks in malls, selling my Adult stuff with JEVN vendors, and living quietly on a rented 4096 M2 parcel in a private Mature sim, with no store where my home was? It may surprise you, but there are a LOT of content Creators who don't HAVE a "main store", who create their products on the floor of their living room in their rented apartment, and sell them in malls across the grid. What will you do about them, when they can no longer sell their merchandise on Mature mainland sims?

I don't even do that. My stuff is found in XstreetSL.com only. When I set that up, I decided that I wasn't gonna give LL another dime for land - not after the BS Voidsim disaster. And I still won't until they abandon the next price jump on Homesteads and find a better way to clean up the mess they themselves have created in the mainland. I'd even go along with a simple splitting of the main continent and saying the WEST side is Adult and the EAST side is mature and PG starting on $date and let people buy/sell into what they want.

I'm voting NO NO NO NO G*DD*** IT NO! with my wallet. Apparently, that is not enough.

This forum thread is called "Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions"


Come on blue or blondin or what ever your names are, answer some questions as per the title of the thread..

heres one, are existing residents going to be given grandfather rights regarding age verification, so existing residents with no piof will have the same rights as piof and also have access to mature and adult areas?

That cant be too hard to answer can it, yes or no will be fine, if you say maybe or not sure or some other obfuscated answer then i declare the thread is not suitable for its purpose.

I've been around SL for several years. Dabbling in varying interests, Exploring the world, Meeting new people. And Despite several attempts in the past to "Clean Up" SL I've never seen such a narrow minded approach to content segregation. Now don't get me wrong, I think kids have no business viewing or utilizing anything potentially labeled as adult content. But LL Has to tread very delicately to avoid turning this from a "clean up" to a "which hunt".

The Term "Adult Content" is Extremely generalized to say the least. What Exactly defines Adult Content? Now the common answer to this is related to a sexual nature, but there are many more things that fall under that category. Smoking or Drinking Perhaps are prime examples. Does this mean that if an Avatar is smoking or consuming alcohol that it is engaging in "Adult Content" and needs to be regulated? This is a serious question, Defining the parameters of Adult Content is going to absolutely paramount. But it's going to require a lot of input from everyone.

Another slightly off topic point is, What about my inventory? Does regulating adult content mean that certain items that I have invested lindens/USD to acquire are to be removed? Will there be monetary compensation similar to Eminent domain? or will they simply be removed totalitarian style and sent to digital oblivion?

I thank you all, especially the forum posters for contributing to the conversation, however convoluted it may be at times. good day to all.

-Arch-

No need..

'Twas a good post.

I don't have any expectation that the Lindens are going to hear our criticisms and suggestions on the issue. LL have proven many times tthat they are deaf to the answers of the community that they pretend to be listening.

But, i have made a question two times already. This specific direct and simple question were made from other people too - it is not only me with this doubt. Every time I, and others, made this question, at least one Linden came and said anything (nothing is more acurate) and ignored the question.

Thir time I am asking the same thing (just myself, not counting others that made similar question):

Ceera: wouldn't that depend on what their final definition of "adult"? It could well be that all you need to do is whack a pasty over any naughty bits in the displays and they're fine.

As a less-inflamed followup ot my previous post, I had actually posted without listening to the "Educator brownbag" (which is funny because I mocked the concept a little). But listening to it (linked on the Linden blog), did seem to answer some of the questions I had. In general, the Lindens seemed to indicate that they're not going to go after people who choose to live lifestyles in their private parcels/their private house. if these people are on their own land, and not overtly adding their land to search/being public, you still have the freedom to do as you please. If this is the case, that's a definite plus.

To quote the brownbag (and the Lindens):

"The two things that this is essentially going to do, it's not going to change the nature of the content, it's not going to change the way that people find the content, it's not going to change what it looks like; In many cases, it's not going to change even where it's located. Still going to be there, still going to be the same, frankly, still going to be the same audience. What's it's going to change is....it will require users to take several affirmitive steps before getting actually there...The second thing it'll do..is it'll provide a way for people that don't want to see it, or be associated with it, to basically disassociate from it."

I dunno, I suppose that does seem fair.

Also, it seems like they will be accepting "Payment Info on File" as meaning age-verified? Or will it be "Payment Info Used?".

I'm done here. LL is gonna f*** up however it wants and nothing except utter destruction will change their minds. Of course, by then, it'll be too late. And I have better things to do than try to save fools from their folly.

Go to your doom, M. At least I'll be able to buy some Xeon servers cheap about 9 months from now.

To be fair to Blondin and co he did say that a meeting they should have had on Monday had to be rescheduled for Friday, so answers will still be in short supply.

Transcripts of the brownbags available yet?

at what time? I'm gonna try to be on then

They don't need to move people on the mainland (who are already kind of second class citizens, without all the cool estate tools) to get that.

And they don't need to have a shaky verification system to let people have "several affirmative steps before getting there" or to let people "basically disassociate from it".

So there's a disconnect between the stated goals of the project and the actual effects of it.

Doesn't seem like it, but they contain a lot of answers, so I hope they're emphasized a little when they do go up so people cna read them.

Possibly, though I have gotten the impression that anything over a certain threshold, as yet undefined, will have to relocate, if you are taking money for adult content. Wheather cuffs and collars with BDSM animations in them would be fine, while a sex bed that includes similar animations would not... well, they still need to define that.

Many content creators started self-censoring over a year ago. As I said, When they started demanding parcels to be flagged Adult and people to start using the Aristotle checks if they wanted access to Adult flagged parcels, I stopped work on a rather promising line of what was, quite frankly, scripted BDSM Bondage gear, because I expected it would soon be subject to severe limitations. I don't even sell sexy dresses any more.

But my question remains valid. IF a merchant sells content that LL decrees must only be sold on Pornotopia or on private sims flagged as Adult, then what, if anything, will LL do to assist in relocating that merchant, if they don't OWN mainland or private sim land, but merely rent space somewhere? Sure, they lose very little, other than customers, if they terminate their month to month or week to week mall booth rentals in malls that no longer allow "Their class of adult merchandise". But where will they then go? How are they to relocate, to a new continent that as of right now, has ZERO established malls that they could rent space in?

I have to second that not only have I posted questions in this one but the one before that, and I se a brief comment on something then poof away again. Our questions and concerns need answers and responses.

PLEASE GIVE A REPLY AND ANSWER TO OUR QUESTIONS.. Not just the ones you feel comfy with, at least say your not sure so we know you have read them and are thinking about what we have said. NO REPLY to me is like you just have not read or care...

I don't think they said anything about whether you're taking money for it or not. The way it SEEMS to be defined, if the content is intended to be accessible to the public (whether it's a clubhouse, a group hangout, a store, or a beach) and it's sufficiently explicit then it's gotta go.