Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

For what it's worth, I'm attempting to identify 8 questions a day, discuss them with the team and bring answers back to the forum. I was able to do it Tuesday from questions I gathered on Monday and then again on Wednesday with questions I gathered on Tuesday. I'm almost ready to post another 8.

Noted!

it looks as if the private islands will have to decide whether to flag or not on an estate/per sim level. They will have their access changed exactly like mainland- If they are flagged "adult" then nobody who isn't verified (either through LL/xstreetsl payment info or aristotle age verification) will be able to go there.

There have been many folks who have complained about this- especially people who are renting sims that they will no longer be allowed into if the owner decides to flag.

Does that sound about right, gang?

-V-

Even then, though it is still in the context of a specific play, and I doubt that anyone under age was allowed to play the part of the victim. I know there was a production of Titus here a couple years ago too, but did not have a chance to catch it, so not sure how graphic it was.

A couple of points, there is demand for PG land, the trouble with PG land is that it can border mature land making PG status meaningless, I have experienced this. Forming a PG continent really is a no brainer if you want to give people a more predictable PG experience.

Secondly, kids should not be here at all, not even on PG land. Linden Lab have repeatedly stated that the aims of this policy are not about kids.

I restrict flying on my land and have security orbs located around the mature theme to keep camera lookers away. They usually hit the orbs and are removed instantly before they ever get near for camera views.

Well, theres a couple bottles of a rather nice Barolo on the side-table by the couch.. its a bit early in my timezone but hey, anyone who wants help yourselves. Let it breathe in the glass some, its got a wonderful nose so dont miss out on that

(shame I hardly ever get it other than virtually these days, the Piedmontese wines are just NOT imported to the US at all, except at such a huge premium its not worth even thinking about. I have one or two left in my stash though)

I guess you didn't know that it's possible to turn draw distance up to 4096 meters using the debug options.

Which is why we need https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-205.

They have said the aim is not to merge the grids, but did they say it was not about kids? Did they give a clear answer as to the reasoning behind all this anywhere at all?

Not the what, but the why?

Yes, but that's the whole point - no-one under age is allowed in SL either. However, I only have to look back at my own youth to know that kids will always do stuff they're not supposed to - it's actually an important part of growing up. You could lock down every damn thing in SL, including so-called verification, and the most determined would still be here.

At the end of the day, it IS a parental responsibility, no more, no less. Besides, if you have anything much to do with kids, you'll know that they're far less interested in all the sex going down than they are in combat, questing and griefing.

Alexander, PLEASE read some of the earlier threads - the reasoning behind it is that PG-loving ADULTS are apparently offended by the 'Adult' (sorry, I just find that amusing) content. However, we've been offered no hard evidence to support this assumption. Many have suggested that it would be logical to develop a point-of-entry PG continent, with an opt-in option for extreme content, but that's clearly not on LL's agenda. They're determined to press ahead with creating an 'Adult' continent, with all the problems inherent in a retrospective approach to monitoring and controlling access, not to mention the seriously confronting issues for some of SL's most long-standing and well-respected content creators.

If that is true, it will not prevent the adults wanting to get in anonymously either. Or are you saying that the kids really do have powers and abilities they do not?

Your response, though indicates that you feel mitigation has no value, that slowing kids down will not stop any. If the kids have to commit fraud and/or theft to get in, it will make many of them think twice, especially if the theft is from their parents.

When you talk about parental responsibility, if a kid is determined to steal from their parents, that will happen too unless the parent literally locks the kid up pre-emptively. It is no more possible to exercise 100% control over your kids than it is to ensure any age verification is 100% foolproof. Why are the two mutually exclusive?

They have said the aim is not to merge the grids, but did they say it was not about kids? Did they give a clear answer as to the reasoning behind all this anywhere at all?

Not the what, but the why?

... the reasoning behind it is that PG-loving ADULTS are apparently offended by the 'Adult' (sorry, I just find that amusing) content...

I have not read the earliest threads, but even if there is a false premise on the part of the Lindens regarding adults wanting PG content, how does that invalidate my points regarding mitigating the issue of anyone underage getting in?

And again, I am saying mitigating, not preventing.

In other words, even if this is being done for the wrong reasons that does not mean there are no valid reasons to justify such a decision.

Clear as mud, but they did say this:

"This is not about teenagers in Second Life or the Teen Grid. This is about providing a choice about the kind of experience people want to have in Second Life, which is fundamentally an 18+ service."

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/03/12/upcoming-changes-for-adult-content

This is why they are on their way to - maybe - develope the SL-family-card for enterprises, governments, and educational institutions, because these people are surfing and gaming strict Parent Guided - mummy stands at left side of the screen, daddy stands at the right side of the screen, in the middle sits the new LL - target-group member in his or her best sunday dress, not knowing what to do. Parents show them then, how nice this tree is and how lovely that flower and how romantic the afternoon sun goes down all 3 hours at horizon.

Nany,

I am really taking offense of the name calling..the last post calling us "losers" and all the other remarks is so uncalled for.

I own 1/2 a mainland sims. I have a themed clothing store and themed furniture store there. A huge garden that is beautiful. A pond with a few couples cuddles around it. Tree houses with a couples cuddle or few on top. Nothing sexual. There are romantic little spots all over for couples dancing. It took forever to build. My business partner spent over two years building and constructing. He is proud of his work as I am for him doing it. Together we built an empire.

On this 1/2 mainland sims there is a small brothel. It doesn't and has never paid for itself. No public sex. NONE. Yes a few of the girls for a few lindens could teleport high in the sky in a skybox they rented to service them. But other then this none. I also work the brothel but I seldom..perhaps once a month might wander off in a skybox and yes, fully service someone. Again, not in public.

The Brothel is mostly a hang out. It's open around the clock. Over the years many have found their soul mates there. Many have found great friendships. Some even Real time loves. Some of my workers are husband and wife. They hang out together, play together in SL.

Mostly though through my years in the brothel I got to know peoples real lives. Some are in wheel chairs and are disabled and can no way be able to afford a paying account. Some are even dying of cancer, heart problems. Some have died. What they wanted more then anything was a place where they could live out their dreams and be free from the horrors of real life. 2 years ago I knew a Gorean Master that was paralysed from the neck down, partial use of one arm only. He once told me that SL gave his the chance to feel like a whole man again.

So don't call these people "losers" because they are fulfilling a dream to have a better life than what has been handed to them in First Life. So don't call me a loser nor my business partner a loser because of the hours building to fulfill a dream.

No, the only losers here are those that can't see beyond their nose at the lives being thrown away like someones bad secret.

One of my best friends in SL her husband in real life has colon cancer. They are in a battle for life. During small get away times she can find, she is a beautiful silk dancer at my brothel. For those moments she can be free in being someone that makes her happy and there isn't sadness. Its her get away. Is she a "loser" too?

Enough with the name calling. We are all here for unknown reasons. Not everyone here is here making millions. We are not smiling as we run with our bags full of lindens and cash out. Many of us barely make tier. We are simply fulfilling dreams.

I haven't suggest that LL is acting on a false premise, simply that we haven't been provided with hard facts or figures to prove it. As for mitigating the issue of anyone underage getting in, it's my opinion that standard internet procedure should be enough.

The issue in question in this forum is not underage access, it is the forced removal of a certain sector of the SL population - which LL is as yet unable to adequately define - to a separate continent. The entire dialogue/debate/conversation has been triggered by LL's request for feedback and ideas regarding the implementation of this fait-accompli.

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There has been quite a bit of namecalling against anyone who supports the Adult content policy in any degree or for any reason.

And I absolutely have no respect whatsoever for any person who dislikes children. I don't mean people who don't wish to have children or who don't want to take care of children. I mean people who don't like children. There are a few of them commenting. I don't like those people. I don't want to share the planet with them. The contempt may show through.