Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

I think the problem from their standpoint is that island estates are always sold as units of a full sim. You may have a full mainland sim right now, but five minutes later it can be cut up into smaller parcels. Once a mainland sim is rated adult, it really cant be changed back after its cut up.

The other way to think about it, is the Lindens are the estate owners of the mainland, just like other people are estate owners of private estates. And as estate owners, they choose to put all their adult sims in one place (Ursula), cause it will be less hassle to manage in the long run.

It would make sense in the long run to change maturity settings on the other mainland when a full sim comes back to them, and make large chunks all Mature or All PG. It will reduce problems with boundary crossings, camming in, ARs, etc. Zoning is one thing, random zoning between PG and mature has always been a problem in SL from the start.

I am not sure on Mainland Lord, i never had a sim there, are mainland considers same as Private Islands? hmmmm..a C5 Private Isle full sim cost 295 in tiers, a mainland 195.
And the whole "moving of simthing" seam to be ment for mainland if i understand LL right
and not Private owner islands, i i own sevralislands i i need to set them ether adult or mature or even PG, or a mix of Mature and adult, as i also got rentors with adult content i can now take the Empire isle as adult and set the rest of the IOL islands mature as thay are now, if all go as i planned i can now make The Empire grow selling adult items, create a sex club ( maybe) set adult poses and stuff and set the estate to " acesses for payinfo on file only" Then i can redo the IOL Mall ( a whole isle) to sell mature and PG items, but stil have it mature, if i do this right i wil be ok,

Have a read on the slapt wiki in my sig line, especially page "SL Verification (Age & Payment) - Issues and Information" that should give you some more insight to it

private estate owners have a lot more control over their land and more tools available to use in managing than mainland sim owners. this and the privacy that islands can afford are the key selling points. Allowing estate owners more leeway with where the adult sims can be placed just increases their attractiveness.

particularly is the rumoured price hike for for tier (not just os) comes in.

It is so nice to see that with all this "dialog" linden labs are having with us they are yet to answer any of our actual questions and are continuing to push ahead with it regardless.

I am yet to see what they plan to do about those of us who refuse to violate our country's laws in order to provide them with documentation they need to "verify" us even though I have used my credit card to purchase lindens, I currently own land and all the rest.

As a life long practicing submissive (no im not into pain play and all that supposedly "extreme" stuff) I now can't be found or visit any establishment that contains the word, submissive, slave, mistress, master, owner, bdsm...... wow really improving my secondlife experiance there guys.

So what do you plan to do for those of us who failed verification because I for one have no drivers licence (partially blind) carry a proof of age card (not valid in the eyes of linden labs) and can not for any reason provide them with a birth certificate due to it being a crime to scan and send that information.


Figure out how to get the system to work BEFORE you put in in place, when your users and paying customers give you over 400 page long threads EVERY time do NOT classify the communication as closed, the dialog is NOT finished it hasn't even started, the questions are yet to be answered all I hear is the usual soap box antics about how its protecting minors and it will be best for everyone while we get steamrolled and ignored again.
I for one am tired of this constant crap from linden labs telling me how I can live my second life because I am not one of there favoured users.

and for the record if you get this easily offended by nudity perhaps its time to turn off the computer the internet has a LOT of things you shouldn't see.
Quit spoiling everything for the rest of us and grow up, secondlife is for adults, the teen grid is for minors, create a seperate grid for anyone who decides the rest of it is too scary.

Ah, they plan to commit economical suizide... -

Heck, the first time I learned about Gor and John Norman's book series was when I bought one of the books in a mall drugstore, at age 15! No one thought twice about selling me the book. It was right between the trashy Harlequin Romance novels and the Science Fiction paperbacks.

possibly, but I suspect that it's just a "let's get ll" rumour rather than based on anything substantial - yet

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/dpw/blog/2009/04/29/moles-wanted

The Department of Public Works' purpose is to create high value Mainland regions, improve existing infrastructure and to attend to other in-world content related issues in order to improve the Resident experience.

Most of the DPW's useful and beautiful things are made by contractors employed by Linden Lab -- the Moles. These skilled content creators make roads, fish, trees, pergolas, infohubs, railway scripts, sculptie rocks -- every kind of Second Life content. The Moles work on one-time projects, such as Bay City and Nautilus, or ongoing irmprovements (roads, sea decor, and the like). They work from their homes, for up to 15 hours per week.

The application process is here and we're going through the current batch of applications. So if you're a skilled scripter, builder or artist, give it a thought!

I understand fully Islands as i owned them and after the OS fiasco scaled back to one mainland sim so as not to continue giving LL more money than i needed to. The thing i am having a hard time with is that on mainland there are mixes of sims PG and Mature as there probably is with Islands.

Now with the new rules adult is not allowed on the mainland but on Ursula. Yet a private sim owner can mix PG, Mature and Adult together as long as the islands are flagged as such. Yet a mainland sim owner is not allowed to flag a mainland sim as adult if they own the whole sim.

Am i cross? No because if i want to go back to private sims i could do that today and buy one but i refuse to give LL anymore money than i need to at the moment and based on potential sales revenue from my mainland sim when i sell it after it has been moved from the mainland to adult i am quite happy as i will make a tidy profit if and when i decide to sell after the move i will scale back to a smaller space but keep it mature, which with our present project we will probably be doing.

I won't get rid of my avie as it still gets 500L$ a week in stipends and my alt gets 50L$ a week so my $72.00 a year in premium fees makes staying here worthwhile But we will be scaling back after the move thats for sure and keeping it mature until LL ruin it all completely and we get rid of all our land apart from the free 512,s we get

I feel sorry for those private estate owners that will now potentially be subjected to AR's from the moral minority where they have adult backed to PG or mature, as i have always said i will sit back and enjoy watching the train wreck as LL implements this unrealistic plan it has.

I can see Adult flagged sims being hiked price wise, Private estates to and mainland going up as well or am just being cynical lol

While I would enjoy a bit of time as a mole, there is no way in hell I will work for Linden Labs right now. Not as crooked and ethically bankrupt as the current leadership of LL seems to be. I shall instead continue building for myself and my group on our island chain. I'm seriously considering using a picture of M as the hot air source for the taxi-balloon I'm making now.

LL can look for some laid off Disney folks if they wish to pursue their mirage of "Predictability" to its bitter end.

a mistake- meant to say "on private estates"

lack of sleep will do that to you

^V^

From my understanding AlacerFox if you have used your CC then you are verified

I understand this, the problem as a island investor i got are when LL changes rules, i stared out in april 2006 with my first isle, it took me some time to build up the mall and make some "proffit" i manage to get my mony back on rents and had my island payed for pluss my tier coverd,,i explanden slowly as the cashflow was ok,i never took out 1 L to RL but used all to develop, my total invesments sins 2006 are neer 10.000 USD.
I had a ok income to cover the tiers untll November 2008 pluss i coverd my investments.

But after November 2008 it been no good, i been " eating" on my reserves, i can sell all sims now and prolly go even in total, but i trye to look ahead and i do se potensialls, besides i dont do SL for a RL proffit,its a hobby, it cost but i have fun hehehe

So if LL can have better stabillity and workframes and plan over time i can still have my islands and maybe even expand, but if LL with there changes on rules and stuff go on all the time i may scale down and thats not development, and i guess LL want us to scale up and develop?

So Second Life is going to kill everyone in the world until there is only one person left then get rid of his/her mouth?

Wow, they're more powerful than I thought.

That's not what they said when they were asked about that. But thanks for giving them a way to retcon it.

Where do you get that figure, Viciously? The grid's lost nearly 5,000 regions since the OpenSpace fiasco.

Oh yeah...people are still logging in, in that sense nobody's "left". But the world shrank by over 20% in three months. I think that's pretty significant.

LOL. No. That story (by Harlan Ellison, by the way) depicted people in the grip of a malicious deity...a computer.

Living in SL often produces the same feeling of helpless terror, as we have new policies imposed on us willy-nilly and no amount of pleading or reasoning...or outright screaming in pain and outrage does the slightest good.

I've often compared trying to communicate with LL to mortals deciding to storm Mount Olympus and make the gods listen to reason. Both are noble, doomed efforts.

You will have access to adult content, since your account is "Payment info Used"

It is age verify OR spend real money on SL OR spend real money on XStreet

(The fact that you did not know this just shows how poorly LL has communicated things. You are not alone in this, I doubt even 1% of the active SL population fully understands whats going on yet)

That many? Hell, I've been following it from the start and I still have questions!

Yes, but unlike the people in that story, we have a choice. We can exit the program and never come back.

Yes, I totally agree with you - noble but futile.

I have said time and again in these debates that LL ARE the "gods" of SL. They always have been, and as residents we have to acknowledge that. They single-handedly decide what will happen to the world, because it's their product.

But the difference is that we choose to "play" in their world. Yes we can make attempts to persuade them, but it's their playground and what they say goes. All documentation on SL says it - they have the right to change anything they want, whenever they want to. We agree to that when we create an avatar. If we don't like it, we go away and never come back, depriving LL of the support for their product.

That is the ONLY true way that we can "vote" in any truly meaningful way - with our logins.

If you believe that this is fundamentally the wrong thing for LL to do, and you spend one Linden on anything, then you are tacitly supporting it. Even if you log in you are supporting it. Certainly if you are paying tier to LL you are supporting it. Why do I say that? Because you are adding to the numbers and providing LL with more income for their product that you don't agree with so strongly. It'd be like an animal rights activist wearing a fur hat.

So what are you (and I don't mean just you, Lindall ) going to do when LL make this change? Are you still going to log in, pay tier - support Linden's decision? Or are all the calls for action on here just empty calls without any real teeth to try to force LL into doing something that you want? Because if they aren't backed up with actions on your part, as Lindal says, your efforts are noble, but doomed.

I hope that you will survive this latest incident that LL has thrust on us and such a big one at that, after this my confidence really does go down with LL because if they are capable of doing this i wonder what else they are planning or starting to plan now to thrust on the customer base in the next 6 or 12 months.

Investing in LL at the moment is something i really do not want to do and i will be watching the coming months until and after the change with interest. I am sure there are going to be a lot more casualties than most of us realize.

I run a successful RL adult business but if changed things like LL are doing with this censorship deal, i am sure i would soon go out of business very quickly. Now in comparison to LL its only a small business, but it doesn't matter how big or small you are, eventually all the customers will leave or stay as free accounts using freebies etc. and eventually the in world economy will crash and as its not the Real world there will be no cash injections for those businesses that slowly lose cash.

It wouldn't surprise me if we start to see over the coming months lots of good freebies coming onto the market place as disillusioned designers stick the finger up to LL and leave, what better way to get back at LL than attempt to crash the economy with good quality freebies so people do not have to spend anything in game.

Just my thoughts though

Well, something POSITIVE to add to this:

I just looked at the 1.23.0 RC Client, and ran a few quick tests.

Set my maturity rating to Adult in Preferences. (I'm Payment info Used and Aristotle verified).

Set search preferences to show all types of content. It defaults to PG, but the PG, Mature and Adult checkboxes, by search tab type, are independantly selectable.

With Adult checked, can still search for and find terms like "BDSM". With Adult not checked, can't search for those "banned words", and get a vague error indicating the search terms are inappropriate, as explained in the Community standards.

Given that BDSM got thousands of hits with Adult checked, it apperently is including individual parcels that are flagged as Adult, and not just sims flagged that way. Couldn't possibly be that many sims already flagged adult and with adult content already on them.

SO...

If I want to search ONLY for Adult-labeled region (or parcel), I can check ONLY the adult checkbox, and be relatively assured my naked slave and I won't TP into a PG-rated sim and store that happens to sell a few racy items.

If I am wanting a more comprehensive search, and am dressed appropriately for a PG sim, I can check all the boxes, and search all, even for "racy" terms.

But if I uncheck "adult" I can't search for the "dirty words" and get an error indication that implies this is NEVER allowable, not that it is only not allowed at the lower maturity rating.

This last is still a problem. It should instead indicate that my search included terms that require an "Adult" rating.

True to form, he did not answer all of the questions at his OH yesterday either. I did not count anyone else's, but he did not answer the 2 I asked about.