Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Valerius Constantine
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04-30-2009 02:48
From: Colette Meiji are you sure you will be able to do this?
-and if so-
are you sure that you would not get mass AR'd for doing this when the changes happen?
I don't think Blondin made any declarative statements about 100 foot tall penis sculptures being Mature rather than adult Well, as long as it isn't erect, it's mature- it's *only* nudity- nothing more, it's not advertised, or for sale, so it would be "mature". Right blondin?  ^V^
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Couldbe Yue
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04-30-2009 02:52
From: Qie Niangao (Disclaimer: I think Places Search is worse than worthless and the whole damned tab should be removed. I'm just following the logic here.)
I still use places as my first point for search, then classifieds. I don't like using all as it throws up so much irrelevant junk. Places are gamed by keywords and bots, classifieds are gamed by keywords and price. There are a lot of people like me who still use places.. mainly old timers by the look of it. I don't believe this other tab.. despite LL being incapable of using the same code for all their search tabs what they're doing to places makes no sense. If other is just adult, then it just needs an adult tick box. not having it shoved off to a pen marked other (which i suspect will be not visible to us). but of course only Blondin can answer this, since it's untestable by us in the current setup.
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-30-2009 03:05
From: Couldbe Yue then you'd better ask for your money back. There were only two bits of the merchant one that appeared to be semi consistent - the bit about the adult showcase and one other (I don't have the links to the transcripts so I can't refresh my memory..)
feel free to go back though my posts though and have a look at my posts with snippets that I typed ***verbatim**** from the audio and feel free to compare. Likewise with my short but most definitely verbatim quotes. Shows a distinct lack of understanding of the meaning of 'transcript' as opposed to 'key points' or 'summary' or 'this-is-what-we-want-to-abbreviate-it-to'.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-30-2009 03:11
From: Waterstar Eilde Likewise with my short but most definitely verbatim quotes. Shows a distinct lack of understanding of the meaning of 'transcript' as opposed to 'key points' or 'summary' or 'this-is-what-we-want-to-abbreviate-it-to'. or "this is what we wished we'd said"
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Kara Spengler
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04-30-2009 03:12
From: Tcko Cazalet TI'm posting the brown bag meeting urls ....read them so you see whats happening. Well, partial transcropts. LL still refuss to release full ones, Linden.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-30-2009 03:25
I wrote this http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/second-life-adult-content-changes-how-theyll-affect-you/ yesterday in a couple of hours from memory. It took so long because I had to sort and analyse all your obfuscation here. I then had it reviewed by some of the forum bods and after their recommendations I'm pretty confident it's at least 90-95% correct. How hard would it be for you to write something like this and put it up? You can put all the disclaimers you like around it but it would save a lot of angst. We could actually have a discussion rather than all this prodding to try to get clarity. So, why don't you read what I've written and give me the corrections and then while we wait for the final release of your policy we at least have something relatively robust that we can point people to. Of course you should ignore my opinions that are scattered throughout it, they are just the output of my impact analysis.
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Kara Spengler
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04-30-2009 03:26
From: Couldbe Yue I still use places as my first point for search, then classifieds. I don't like using all as it throws up so much irrelevant junk. Places are gamed by keywords and bots, classifieds are gamed by keywords and price. There are a lot of people like me who still use places.. mainly old timers by the look of it. I still use it too. If any tab were to go I would suggest the obscenity that is the 'all' tab. I usually find it quite helpful to start to find things. Actually, I rarely (if ever) have searched the classifieds. Someone thinks things would be better by removing the 'places' tab? Linden.
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Kara Spengler
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04-30-2009 03:33
From: Couldbe Yue or "this is what we wished we'd said" Probably like why they read more like a press release than people hit with random questions and answering off the cuff, umming and ahing, sneezing, interrupting each other, bollixing sentences and needing to back up a tad .... the things you would expect when people talk outside of a prepared speech. Full access means full access, not what they think is the important information. Talk about Lindening up ...
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-30-2009 03:39
From: Sindy Tsure Making Blondin's life easier isn't really a goal of mine. Sorry, Blondin.
How about people who actually need answers to the questions that get lost in the noise?
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Couldbe Yue
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04-30-2009 03:48
From: someone Originally Posted by Argent Stonecutter If he's not joking, then why can't someone who owns a whole sim on the mainland request it be converted to "adult" in situ?
Blondin has already been reported as mentioning that minors camming into adult builds was a concern. Why is that OK on estates, and not mainland?
From: Valerius Constantine Because SL has always distanced itself from what happens on mainland- they'll say "we rent them the space and force them to use the content flags- after that, it's not our concern"
Mainland is *linden* controlled and they are responsible for what happened there- hence the G-team.
At least that's the way I *think* it works
^V^ In this case I think it's pushing the liability onto the private landowner. I have no idea what would happen if an outraged parent AR's a landowner for having something like stepford cammable into by little Johnny. I'm sure that the word "accessible" is used somewhere, being able to cam in makes the adult content accessible.. I suspect this is another bit of Linden doublespeak in that whilst you can do it, you have to accept the consequences if you do. Like you can have adult content on your land as long as you don't advertise it..
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-30-2009 03:48
From: Taly Fluffy Is there no one on this thread who understands the spelling difference between "affect" and "effect" ? You will just have to except that there's no way to insure people even understand the difference between affect and effect, even on accident. Sorry. I'll be good. The main problem is that English is an unmanaged language. There is no equivalent of the Academie Francais deciding what words "really mean". If anything the complaints of prescriptive grammarians have encouraged the change in the common usage of "affect" and "effect".
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-30-2009 03:52
From: Valerius Constantine Then why aren't they accurate, as in the same words that are on the audio?
^V^ You mean they're inaccurate as well as being incomplete? 
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-30-2009 03:54
From: Ryanna Enfield In Second Life, I can ignore the smell. In Second Life, I can mute and ignore the inmates. In Second Life, the inmates can't hurt me unless I allow them to do so. What if there's 40 of them?
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-30-2009 03:56
From: Valerius Constantine Because SL has always distanced itself from what happens on mainland- they'll say "we rent them the space and force them to use the content flags- after that, it's not our concern" But they're not distancing themselves from what happens on mainland.
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Couldbe Yue
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04-30-2009 03:56
From: Argent Stonecutter You mean they're inaccurate as well as being incomplete?  yeah, isn't that a surprise lol
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Prilis Boa
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04-30-2009 04:29
From: Viciously Llewellyn So, in your mind this policy by the Lindens rates up there with global genocide? No, I didn't say that.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-30-2009 04:33
From: Miro Collas I just finished "leafletting" owners of malls where we rent, as well as owners of clubs I know of. Oh, and a few people who I know make a LOT from selling "adult" items to newbies... Nyteshade for example.
So, individuals, but that's still something I guess. Oh, drat, I meant to stop by Gor Hub and forgot. The lack of knowledge in the general SL population is profound. One escort club owner said "Im on an island, so it doesnt affect me". It does, she shares the sim with a textures store, so someone will have to move or change. And thats someone directly affected. The general SL people I have asked have no idea or only a vague inkling something is up,
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Lord Sullivan
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04-30-2009 04:35
From: Argent Stonecutter If he's not joking, then why can't someone who owns a whole sim on the mainland request it be converted to "adult" in situ?
Blondin has already been reported as mentioning that minors camming into adult builds was a concern. Why is that OK on estates, and not mainland? Thats a good point and would allow us to flag adult and stay where we are, because if it is going to be allowed on estates then rightly it should be allowed on mainland
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Lord Sullivan
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04-30-2009 04:41
From: Kara Spengler I was puzzled by the suggestion of an estate with mixed sims too. I wonder if these answers are just randomly answered and any resemblance to policy is coincidental? Well from what Blondin said on pages 446 and 447 it is OK to mix them in private estates but I cannot for instance flag my mainland sim adult when Blondin had already said it was the camming into adult from mature or PG that was an issue. But it makes a mockery if you can do it on private estates yet not on the mainland so the plot thickens  These answers need to go onto the slapt wiki for posterity 
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Lord Sullivan
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04-30-2009 04:43
From: janeforyou Barbara Thanks Blondin, the C option calmed me, i now got choises i dident knew i had. and mainland owners have an extra tool to fight with as if its allowed on private estates why not mainland  Same thing just cheaper tiers on the mainland lol
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-30-2009 04:43
From: DanielRavenNest Noe The lack of knowledge in the general SL population is profound. One escort club owner said "Im on an island, so it doesnt affect me". It does, she shares the sim with a textures store, so someone will have to move or change. And thats someone directly affected. The general SL people I have asked have no idea or only a vague inkling something is up, And this is what will cause chaos when the changes are rolled out, unless LL allow sufficient time prior to implementation for everyone to have their questions answered. I wouldn't want to be on the support team then! Equally, it's all very well for those of us 'in the know' to have time to plan a move, but I pity those who know little or nothing at this stage who are hit with the 'nine days to move' news.
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Qie Niangao
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04-30-2009 04:48
From: Kara Spengler I still use it too. If any tab were to go I would suggest the obscenity that is the 'all' tab. I usually find it quite helpful to start to find things.
Actually, I rarely (if ever) have searched the classifieds.
Someone thinks things would be better by removing the 'places' tab? Linden.  Not the first time I've been accused of that! I really do prefer the All tab for searching anything. Part of it is because I'm nosy: I find all that "irrelevant" stuff it returns a wealth of information about who's associated with what. Another part, though, is very practical: I can find *things* with All search--actual objects rezzed on parcels--together with their locations. I just couldn't shop in-world anymore without knowing the coordinates of the thing I'm seeking.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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Hmmm....just a meditation about this
04-30-2009 04:51
From: Valerius Constantine ... maybe they have an offer of a buyout from some Chinese conglomerate, but not until they get rid of all the porn.
^V^ If the Chinese would become Captain of the sinking coffin-ship, that would be the end of ratatatatatatat machine-gun-sex in San Francisco style...related to SL. The Chinese don't believe in hard, fast, intense actions. (This is also to see at their famous 50 years plans in direction economy and population plannings) They are drifting in the delta of venus like tired, slightly disoriented fishes. This can last for hours, if not days. There in China is no mental room for hollywood inspired explosion cults and fast burning. There is no western apocalyptic dynamic in their politics, nor sexuality. They have: time. We can expect then, that Mao Linden gives new rules and orders through his messenger Laotse Linden to us, to create only very, very, very extraordinaire slow animations, while *cite would be forced to create very, very, very smooth bananas with the functionality and pep of half-dead fishes. While I have usualy a sympathy for slow enjoyments, I would nevertheless vote for a middle-way - maybe a french or a netherlands investors group would be what I could prefer as next SL owners... Just to not catch AR's for too fast or too slow activities... - then...if...maybe...
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Prilis Boa
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04-30-2009 05:00
I tried the "all" tab a few times. It just scatalogically returns random gibberish that is only slightly connected to the search terms; words used in peoples profiles or group charters. Maybe theres ways of filtering all this lindening crap but I didn't waste time trying, just reverted back to the good old places/people tabs that seem to work just fine and dandy.
and classifieds? lol puh-lease
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Waterstar Eilde
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04-30-2009 05:05
Linden me dead, but Blondin better have been up all night preparing replies to all those unanswered questions if this thread is to be locked at month's end! 
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