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Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Felix Oxide
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04-29-2009 17:14
If your business is on an Adult sim, does that mean it will not appear in search to unverified accounts even if it uses PG keywords?

What will be done about adult businesses that do not follow the rules and stay on Mature land and try to cast as wide a net of approved search words as possible to lure in traffic while their competitors that did follow the rules become invisible in search to unverifieds? Will ARs be followed up agressively? Will the places that try to fly under the radar be shut down if reported?

Sorry if these have already been answered but the thread has grown way too big to read without going cross eyed.
Storyof Oh
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04-29-2009 17:15
Announcing ticket request time on BLOG is not good enough it HAS to be on login or certainly a link to a concise explanation in blog etc.

'Private home' no change etc....LAND IS PURCHASED FOR ANY USE... what is a home one day can be a totally different build the next.....people need to know that they have a limited time in which to decide how they plan to use their land or be stuck with a dodo. So much for imagination and creativity.
Leanne Karas
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04-29-2009 17:16
From: Ciaran Laval
Yes they'll be notified....by the lack of traffic and sales.


...and the abuse reports as people stumble upon the newly censo... filtere... censored content...
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Deltango Vale
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04-29-2009 17:20
Quick post. I am PIU + Aristotle AV, yet search has 'adult' greyed out. Is the new viewer working?

Christ! You have to set something first in preferences. Got it.
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04-29-2009 17:27
From: Chris Norse
Why the love of zoning? Zoning is evil on it's face.


I don't love zoning ... and when I own the company, you will not be zoned. ;-)

A few questions back at you: :-)

Is all this hyper-aggresive response really doing anything? The Lindens pulled an Open Space bait and switch on 20% of the grid, and like 37 people left. Don't you think they are laughing their donkey off at us right now?

Don't you think it would be easier for Blondin to answer questions, if he didn't have to wade through 5000 posts of people screaming at him? Has that tactic ever proven effective in your typical business meeting?

The comparison with Nazis ... lets see, they killed millions, and Lindens are moving a few thousand to new processors. Don't you think thats like making a comparison between shooting someone with a bullet and throwing a bullet at someone, by insisting that both are being hit by bullets?
Sindy Tsure
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04-29-2009 17:33
From: Storyof Oh
Announcing ticket request time on BLOG is not good enough it HAS to be on login or certainly a link to a concise explanation in blog etc.

'Private home' no change etc....LAND IS PURCHASED FOR ANY USE... what is a home one day can be a totally different build the next.....people need to know that they have a limited time in which to decide how they plan to use their land or be stuck with a dodo. So much for imagination and creativity.

Since only 2-4% of mainland parcels will be effected by this, I think it'd reasonable for LL to state that they will email the owners of those lands a few weeks before anything gets too real.
Colette Meiji
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04-29-2009 17:36
From: Sindy Tsure
If I can still build a 100m tall penis on mature mainland without being forced to move, nothing's getting covered up except search results.

Nothing except search results are being made safe for work/schools.


are you sure you will be able to do this?

-and if so-

are you sure that you would not get mass AR'd for doing this when the changes happen?

I don't think Blondin made any declarative statements about 100 foot tall penis sculptures being Mature rather than adult
angel6 Susanti
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04-29-2009 17:39
From: Innula Zenovka
I asked a similar question a day or so ago, and got a reply from Blondin that might help -- /352/11/314444/247.html#post2407558/352/11/314444/247.html#post2407558

And the general principle, as endorsed by Blondin here /352/11/314444/273.html#post2409998/352/11/314444/273.html#post2409998 seems to be that you will have to decide whether you think can sensibly advertise your slave papers without using words like "slave" or "Gor" in the description.

If you can thus describe them, then I would think you're OK on Mature land, same as I would be with my slave pillows, but the question is whether you think that staying on mature land and having your somewhat cryptic adverts visible to everyone, or moving to Adult-flagged land (which, it seems from Blondin's reply to me, the whole of Gor will have to be) and being able to describe the devices any way you want, to a restricted audience.


Thank you Innula:) the links helped me lots, I think what I may do is yes, drop the keywords at my mainstore (it is on mature land, I have already adjusted the keywords) and apply to come over to the adult section as well, and just put my silks section over there. We must be allowed to have stores in both sections , I'm sure that's possible. I'm looking forward to some new keywords, right now I suppose servant will suffice instead of slave, more will hopefully come forward in time. Thank you once again, I need to get my things ready.
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04-29-2009 17:42
I remember a paperback novel called ..I have no mouth but I must scream...
It was about a computer eventually taking over the world and would destroy any human who would not do as it said...finally there was only one man left...because the computer was intrigued by him..they had many conversations but finally the man was showing the computer how wrong it was. the man woke up one morning with no mouth.....all this sorta reminds me of that story...just saying
Sindy Tsure
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04-29-2009 17:42
From: Colette Meiji
are you sure you will be able to do this?

-and if so-

are you sure that you would not get mass AR'd for doing this when the changes happen?

I don't think Blondin made any declarative statements about 100 foot tall penis sculptures being Mature rather than adult

Fine. Forget the 100m, not 100 foot, penis. If you can...

Say I built a <'worst' thing you can build today and get away with> but I didn't have the land in search or advertised in any other way. Would I have to move?

/me is hearing people say that LL is cleaning up the mainland. Just trying to make a point here..
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04-29-2009 17:51
From: Sindy Tsure
Fine. Forget the 100m, not 100 foot, penis. If you can...

Say I built a <'worst' thing you can build today and get away with> but I didn't have the land in search or advertised in any other way. Would I have to move?

/me is hearing people say that LL is cleaning up the mainland. Just trying to make a point here..

You could have a strip club next to a bondage supply ship in a mature region, directly adjacent to PG land.

If you didn't advertise it, you could put a Dolcett snuffateria between them.
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Innula Zenovka
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04-29-2009 17:51
From: Felix Oxide
If your business is on an Adult sim, does that mean it will not appear in search to unverified accounts even if it uses PG keywords?

Yes, that's what it means. Though, even if it did appear, of course, the unverified folks wouldn't be able to get there to buy your goods
From: someone

What will be done about adult businesses that do not follow the rules and stay on Mature land and try to cast as wide a net of approved search words as possible to lure in traffic while their competitors that did follow the rules become invisible in search to unverifieds? Will ARs be followed up agressively? Will the places that try to fly under the radar be shut down if reported?
I think this is going to keep the G team well busy. My business partner and I are in the position where we sell lots of stuff that seems, from what I've read here and elsewhere, perfectly suitable for sale on a mature sim but rather difficult to advertise without using "adult" terms.

One of our ideas is to open somewhere on an "adult" sim and sell aggressively from there, while maintaining a presence on a "mature" sim and using that as a base both to advertise things we can easily advertise without playing word-games and to sell stuff that we can, it seems, legally display but not directly describe or not without using naughty terms like "submissive" and "domme", anyway.

I'm not sure I want to do this, but if we do, I don't regard it as "flying under the radar," though I'm sure some people will -- mistakenly -- disagree, and much time and effort will be wasted trying to resolve such disputes (which is why I'm not at all sure that particular game will be worth the candle).

On a side note, my researches with http://search.secondlife.com/search.php?s=All_Web suggest that, while we can't advertise stuff as being of interest to *Dommes* looking to furnish their *dungeons*, no such restrictions appear to apply to advertising that's directed at *Doms* who want to equip a *torture chamber*.
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04-29-2009 17:52
From: Sindy Tsure
Since only 2-4% of mainland parcels will be effected by this,
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04-29-2009 18:00
From: Argent Stonecutter



I wonder if this would be considered mature or adult?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret_legging
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Kara Spengler
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04-29-2009 18:05
From: Lord Sullivan

Tell me you are joking about having adult and mature mixed and side by side

I was puzzled by the suggestion of an estate with mixed sims too. I wonder if these answers are just randomly answered and any resemblance to policy is coincidental?
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Felix Oxide
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04-29-2009 18:07
From: Innula Zenovka
Yes, that's what it means. Though, even if it did appear, of course, the unverified folks wouldn't be able to get there to buy your goods
I think this is going to keep the G team well busy. My business partner and I are in the position where we sell lots of stuff that seems, from what I've read here and elsewhere, perfectly suitable for sale on a mature sim but rather difficult to advertise without using "adult" terms.

One of our ideas is to open somewhere on an "adult" sim and sell aggressively from there, while maintaining a presence on a "mature" sim and using that as a base both to advertise things we can easily advertise without playing word-games and to sell stuff that we can, it seems, legally display but not directly describe or not without using naughty terms like "submissive" and "domme", anyway.

I'm not sure I want to do this, but if we do, I don't regard it as "flying under the radar," though I'm sure some people will -- mistakenly -- disagree, and much time and effort will be wasted trying to resolve such disputes (which is why I'm not at all sure that particular game will be worth the candle).

On a side note, my researches with http://search.secondlife.com/search.php?s=All_Web suggest that, while we can't advertise stuff as being of interest to *Dommes* looking to furnish their *dungeons*, no such restrictions appear to apply to advertising that's directed at *Doms* who want to equip a *torture chamber*.


I asked because I downloaded the new viewer with the adult controls in it and did a PG search for an approved word and up popped up places with many of the banned words. Searching for those banned words directly is blocked. I know this is still being hammered out but I thought the idea was to keep PG searches PG and not even allow indirect advertising of adult businesses or venues.

It is certainly good to know that a PG search still tells me where I can find one of the best places for escorts in SL. LOL

Oh and a place that uses the keyword F*ck as well. Yep the G-Team is going to have much work to do if many places try to not flag themselves as adult.
Kara Spengler
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04-29-2009 18:10
From: Chris Norse
Zoning is evil on it's face.

It is a tool like any other.It can be used for good or bad.

What is the problem is enacting zoning WITHOUT grandfathering what is already there.
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04-29-2009 18:13
From: Innula Zenovka

On a side note, my researches with http://search.secondlife.com/search.php?s=All_Web suggest that, while we can't advertise stuff as being of interest to *Dommes* looking to furnish their *dungeons*, no such restrictions appear to apply to advertising that's directed at *Doms* who want to equip a *torture chamber*.


just go and use one of the other terms for Domme..

what cheered me up about this paragraph is that I started to build a torture chamber months ago and let it slide.. I may just have to finish it in time for the great removal.
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janeforyou Barbara
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04-29-2009 18:18
From: Blondin Linden
You have a couple of options:
a) set all 6 regions to mature, tell your vendors and ask those that sell exclusively adult content to move

b) set all your regions to Adult.

c) set some of your regions mature and the others adult and ask the Adult content vendors on the the mature regions to move over to your adult regions.


Thanks Blondin, the C option calmed me, i now got choises i dident knew i had.
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04-29-2009 19:31
From: Mars Lake
Should I assume that the lack of any response or any real statement about art means the latter is the case?


I would strongly recommend to declare every single piece of rezzed and unrezzed, bought or self created inventory to *art*, including any profile. Even any sort of behavior and action is:*art*.

Except Linden- and Mole- buildings, hahaha, because they are trivial trash.

Thinking on the Fontaine Replica of Marcel Duchamp. Musee Maillol, Paris, France, as an example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File: Duchamp_Fountaine.jpg

We are all *artists* and we own, create and sell and do: unexceptional *art*.

LL's hard disks are our museum and our flatscreens are our picture frames.

We pay the museum to be able to interact, create, use, process and express our *art*.

The whole SL database content is complete our *artwork*.

It is complete *legitimate* to do this.

We should *declare officially* all and everything to *art*.

Just to make the ice on wich LL is walking more thin.

The more they put pressure on *art*, the more they are near a serious *lawsuit*.
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04-29-2009 19:48
From: Blondin Linden
After the 1.23 final viewer is shipped there will be a 60-day grace period for people to upgrade. After 60 days, if they have not upgraded, they will no longer be able to search for adult content. They will still be able to access adult regions if they have enough info to be adult-verified, but search won't return results with adult keywords or from adult regions


Well, then the release notes need to be rewritten, cause it doesnt say anything close to what you just said
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04-29-2009 19:52
From: Tcko Cazalet
I remember a paperback novel called ..I have no mouth but I must scream...
It was about a computer eventually taking over the world and would destroy any human who would not do as it said...finally there was only one man left...because the computer was intrigued by him..they had many conversations but finally the man was showing the computer how wrong it was. the man woke up one morning with no mouth.....all this sorta reminds me of that story...just saying


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04-29-2009 19:57
From: Wynochee LeShelle
I would strongly recommend to declare every single piece of rezzed and unrezzed, bought or self created inventory to *art*, including any profile. Even any sort of behavior and action is:*art*.

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04-29-2009 19:59
From: Kara Spengler
It is a tool like any other.It can be used for good or bad.

What is the problem is enacting zoning WITHOUT grandfathering what is already there.

Zoning is theft, pure and simple. Theft is always evil.
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04-29-2009 20:04
From: Viciously Llewellyn
I don't love zoning ... and when I own the company, you will not be zoned. ;-)

A few questions back at you: :-)

Is all this hyper-aggresive response really doing anything? The Lindens pulled an Open Space bait and switch on 20% of the grid, and like 37 people left. Don't you think they are laughing their donkey off at us right now?

Don't you think it would be easier for Blondin to answer questions, if he didn't have to wade through 5000 posts of people screaming at him? Has that tactic ever proven effective in your typical business meeting?

The comparison with Nazis ... lets see, they killed millions, and Lindens are moving a few thousand to new processors. Don't you think thats like making a comparison between shooting someone with a bullet and throwing a bullet at someone, by insisting that both are being hit by bullets?


A few more than 37 people left.

He should answer every question asked of him, if not him then some Linden.

I don't recognize degrees of doing wrong. Wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter what it is. Shooting or throwing, both are using force against another.
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