Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Ayla Holt
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04-29-2009 13:59
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Well, since Age verification is now only one way of getting verified for the Adult access it's not such a problem - it's now anyone with a status of "Payment Info on File", "Payment Info Used' or anyone who has bought stuff from the XStreetSL site.
I have heard this too and I don't understand how buying from xstreet tells them anything. I have alts with xstreet accounts and have used them to buy things. They don't have payment info on file and have not been verified. Can anyone explain this to me? How do they know that I am not a teenager with that account? |
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Phoenix Welles
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04-29-2009 14:01
From: Kara Spengler The term ladyboy is on the banned word list.
It is a term used by the transgendered community in Thailand.
Can you imagine the outcry if they banned the word lesbian or such? I suppose they figure if it is not a term used in the US they can get away with it. oh what's even funnier is what's currently NOT on the list I could come up with ads that might make a sailor blush, but I can't sell a castle with a 'dungeon' |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-29-2009 14:02
From: Lindal Kidd I'd say an argument could be made that BDSM and kink are "blanket terms" and shouldn't be on the Adult list. I *personally* would find it a lot harder to argue with a straight face, but that is just me, and my personal views of the scene. Unlike LL, I am not the sort to deny another person's viewpoint or choices.  inworld it is different. for a second there I was applying real life experiences. bad me
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Brenda Connolly
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04-29-2009 14:04
From: Kalderi Tomsen So your suggestion on what should be done is "nothing"? In other words leave it as-is? That has been suggested quite a few times, and Linden Labs have said that that is not how they see the future of SL.
No, they have NOT said anything of the kind.
They have said that at some time down the road they would LIKE it if they could, but there are no immediate plans to do so. So right now, officially, it's pie in the sky.
Well, since Age verification is now only one way of getting verified for the Adult access it's not such a problem - it's now anyone with a status of "Payment Info on File", "Payment Info Used' or anyone who has bought stuff from the XStreetSL site.
To be fair, there have been lots of good ideas about how this could be done. Most of them don't line up with what the Lindens see as the future for the world, and so the segregation WILL happen, it looks like. Now we just have to try to make it happen with as little pain as is necessary.
Chrissy, I hope you don't feel picked-on, here - there is just a lot of mis-information going around and some people are letting it grow. The actual facts are complicated and difficult enough - we don't need to further add to the confusion. All of this. We've had a month of hand wringing, protesting Linden bashing, and other necessary reactions. But the hope of any major change is done. We all have to decide on our actions now. Accepting that this will happen and trying to ride it out doesn't mean giving up. Keep holding their feet to the fire, point out inconsistencies and bullshit when it appears and let them know we know what they are doing. They can do it, but we can make them work for it. Personally, I agree with Landal's OPINION on what they want to make SL into, a Corporate infested, adfilled 3D AOL. And it could very well succeed. In the hands of a competent business management tea, it would probably happen fairly quickly. Fortunately, LL is their own worst enemy. If Pornsylvania can keep humming while they botch up their plans, they could realize that half a loaf is beter than none, and accept SL for whatever it becomes on it's own. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-29-2009 14:06
From: Phoenix Nohkan
I'm not under age so how will I go through my parents or other relative's purse or wallet to get the ID info I need? If there's someone saying you can beat the system without providing any real data I'd like to know what stuff they're using-and I'm not talking data there!
On the Slapt wiki under age verification is a piece about what will work in the Aristotle system so people can verify themselves legally as LL has required and Aristotle requests Everyone can verify atm without disclosing any personal information Worth a read at least 
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Brenda Connolly
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04-29-2009 14:07
From: Ayla Holt I have heard this too and I don't understand how buying from xstreet tells them anything. I have alts with xstreet accounts and have used them to buy things. They don't have payment info on file and have not been verified.
Can anyone explain this to me? How do they know that I am not a teenager with that account? They don't. Just as they don't know you are one with your own credit card, someone else's credit card, or Aristotle'd with bogus information.
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Blondin Linden
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04-29-2009 14:09
From: Lord Sullivan I must admit i thought that Adult private sims could not be next to an non adult sim and no i am not going back over all the posts but i do not think you are correct because if they allow this then i will purchase 2 islands tonight one adult and one mature and have them next to each other.
Blondin can you clarify this again please and thanks. Private Regions only need to flag as PG, Mature or Adult. They don't need to move. |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-29-2009 14:12
From: Blondin Linden Private Regions only need to flag as PG, Mature or Adult. They don't need to move. so you're saying you can have a pg and adult region side by side and allow avatars to walk between them (and cam across the line if they're only 15) and this will be ok? As long as it's a private landowner of course..
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Blondin Linden
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04-29-2009 14:15
From: Shanna Klaar Dear LL, how will the following scenario play out in SL?
2 or more people live on private, mature, 1024m2 plot. They are nice people, they have a park on the ground with lovely sculpty trees, a fountain, a swing (they are swingers).
They rated their experience preference as "Adults". They take frequent trips to Ursula, and bring back pirate booty. On one such trip they buy an adult movie and decide to watch it in the privacy of their own skybox at 4095.9 meters high. They do it high and away from the prying eyes of strangers because they do their best to follow the rules of SL.
A random person flies by the parcel and notices its beauty. This person rated their experience to be "Mature". Perhaps they want want to be a Star Wars bounty hunter and concentrate on combat and skip anything to do with sex.
As this person enters the parcel, they hear sounds of an almost human nature. They proceed to click on the "About Land" tab, click the media settings and there, in the little media texture box... OMG MY EYES!
Will the couple viewing their adult movies at 4000+ meters and in assumed privacy be liable? Have they affected the predictability of SL for the person who is "Mature". How might this play out for the G-Team?
How about the same scenario except that the couple in question decided to listen to a 24x7 broadcast of "7 dirty words" by George Carlin? The couple watching wouldn't be held accountable. They were in the privacy of their own home. It wasn't a public screening or advertised as such. |
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Lexi Sass
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04-29-2009 14:17
From: Brenda Connolly They don't. Just as they don't know you are one with your own credit card, someone else's credit card, or Aristotle'd with bogus information. Right but what I am saying is that I didn't have payment info on file for my alt account yet I bought and sold stuff on xstreet with that account. Still do. So if they never verified that I was an adult and never even got credit card info. then how does buying on xstreet make them assume that I am a adult? Unless I am reading how that works wrong. I just find it hard to believe that just by bying stuff on xstreet they will assume that I am an adult. The only info. I had to give to xstreet at the time was my email. So I'm still not understanding this. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-29-2009 14:17
From: Blondin Linden Private Regions only need to flag as PG, Mature or Adult. They don't need to move. Then why can't we flag content at a per-parcel level or reflag sims on Mainland as Adult by user request? The only reason for these restrictions that I can think of is to prevent people seeing into an adult parcel from a non-adult one. |
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Studly Lockjaw
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04-29-2009 14:18
From: Jack Abraham Both, Blondin. Something causing me much fear is that the GTeam seems to operate from some totally unknown set of standards and does not communicate with anyone except by suspending their accounts. To have a predicable experience we must know what is a violation and how it will be enforced. Today, we don't. this is a major point how can we be expected to follow rules that are not clearly stated with no court system to create a case law situation to have the wild meanings explained in case examples i see more people just getting frustrated with the whole mess and leaving. now it that is your true goal then I guess your going about it in the right fashion but it would be wise to allow a system that is not dependent on a few people in a Nazi form to do your policing of a set of rules that you plan here it should be the gteam with a new set of rules and means to discuss the offence before someone is simply banned for the three day period for a misinturpitation of a cleaverly worded rule. If you truely want the feel of a real world experience to shine through you all would take and think long and hard on this ... |
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-29-2009 14:19
From: Blondin Linden The couple watching wouldn't be held accountable. They were in the privacy of their own home. It wasn't a public screening or advertised as such. This is why we need to have these terms clearly defined in an official document. |
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Lord Sullivan
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04-29-2009 14:19
From: Ayla Holt I have heard this too and I don't understand how buying from xstreet tells them anything. I have alts with xstreet accounts and have used them to buy things. They don't have payment info on file and have not been verified.
Can anyone explain this to me? How do they know that I am not a teenager with that account? You have to have a credit card or verified paypal registered with xstreet to qualify. HTH
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Ayla Holt
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04-29-2009 14:22
From: Lexi Sass Right but what I am saying is that I didn't have payment info on file for my alt account yet I bought and sold stuff on xstreet with that account. Still do. So if they never verified that I was an adult and never even got credit card info. then how does buying on xstreet make them assume that I am a adult?
Unless I am reading how that works wrong. I just find it hard to believe that just by bying stuff on xstreet they will assume that I am an adult. The only info. I had to give to xstreet at the time was my email. So I'm still not understanding this. BTW... Lexi Sass is one of the alts that I was talking about without payment info on file. I was posting this as Ayla Holt but had signed in with Lexi to double check payment status |
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Lord Sullivan
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Attention Blondin 04-29-2009 14:23
From: Blondin Linden Private Regions only need to flag as PG, Mature or Adult. They don't need to move. What i meant was can an adult flagged sim and a Mature sim be placed side by side with a PG sim in a block or row so i can walk from one private sim to another, so walk from PG into Mature into Adult Not that they had to move to Ursula, sorry i thought i had made that clear
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Ayla Holt
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04-29-2009 14:24
From: Lord Sullivan You have to have a credit card or verified paypal registered with xstreet to qualify. HTH I don't believe that is true. I have most of my alts signed up for xstreet and I have only ever had to give them my email address in the past. Maybe that is the way it is now that its xstreet . I had them signed up when it was slx but I still use it to sell and buy with those alts. |
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04-29-2009 14:25
From: Couldbe Yue so you're saying you can have a pg and adult region side by side and allow avatars to walk between them (and cam across the line if they're only 15) and this will be ok? As long as it's a private landowner of course.. I asked Blondin to answer that again i thought i had made it clear in the first post lol if it is allowed then i cannot see how LL could then enforce the rest of the rules lol
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Studly Lockjaw
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04-29-2009 14:28
Originally Posted by Couldbe Yue so you're saying you can have a pg and adult region side by side and allow avatars to walk between them (and cam across the line if they're only 15) and this will be ok? As long as it's a private landowner of course.. From: Lord Sullivan I asked Blondin to answer that again i thought i had made it clear in the first post lol if it is allowed then i cannot see how LL could then enforce the rest of the rules lol OMG so did this all start as an April fools joke run wild? maybe the Lindens are having a great laugh over all this in the background smiles wishful thinking I know! |
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Ayla Holt
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04-29-2009 14:29
From: Lord Sullivan You have to have a credit card or verified paypal registered with xstreet to qualify. HTH Maybe they are talking about if you buy something with US dollars through xstreet and not with lindens. That would make sense. |
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Couldbe Yue
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04-29-2009 14:31
From: Ayla Holt I don't believe that is true. I have most of my alts signed up for xstreet and I have only ever had to give them my email address in the past.
Maybe that is the way it is now that its xstreet . I had them signed up when it was slx but I still use it to sell and buy with those alts. this is for people using paypal to get their money out or bringing it in, or buying things on the site using paypal rather than Lindens. Back in the pre LL days it was much quicker to transfer the money over to SLX and then onto paypal than wait a week for LL to get around to doing it. ..and there are people out there who would rather give their money to anyone but LL if they can help it.
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Lord Sullivan
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04-29-2009 14:32
From: Ayla Holt I don't believe that is true. I have most of my alts signed up for xstreet and I have only ever had to give them my email address in the past.
Maybe that is the way it is now that its xstreet . I had them signed up when it was slx but I still use it to sell and buy with those alts. To qualify under LL as verified for an avatar you need to have a credit card or verified paypal account attached to that particular avatar on xstreet I hope that is clearer, it has nothing to do with buying and selling on xstreet only if you have payment info attached as you would with you LL account with credit card or paypal
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Maleena Tiraxibar
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04-29-2009 14:33
Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
After the 1.23 final viewer is shipped there will be a 60-day grace period for people to upgrade. After 60 days, if they have not upgraded, they will no longer be able to search for adult content. They will still be able to access adult regions if they have enough info to be adult-verified, but search won't return results with adult keywords or from adult regions
QUoted, sorry to who said the below lines I dont know how to offically quote that.
This part still confuses me:
"Any places still categorized as "Adult" at that time will then be migrated by Linden Lab to the "Other" category."
So, if one *has* upgraded to the 1.23 viewer, does this mean a person (if adult-verified) will then be able to find Adult businesses in the Places tab or not?<<< I too would like this clerified a little more please.
What I understaND IT TO mean is anyone who still uses the 22 viewer wont get adult search anymore after 60 days, but anyone who will be on 23 and verified will still get the Adult drop down. Is this correct?
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Ayla Holt
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04-29-2009 14:34
From: Couldbe Yue this is for people using paypal to get their money out or bringing it in. Back in the pre LL days it was much quicker to transfer the money over to SLX and then onto paypal than wait a week for LL to get around to doing it. ..and there are people out there who would rather give their money to anyone but LL if they can help it. Thanks, I feel stupid lol. I figured that out about 2 minutes ago and wish I hadnt' posted all the questions about it. I'm in the process of getting all of my alts verified through the SL website now .. Just in case. Kinda wishing I hadn't created so many alts now. |
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04-29-2009 14:36
From: Ayla Holt Thanks, I feel stupid lol. I figured that out about 2 minutes ago and wish I hadnt' posted all the questions about it. I'm in the process of getting all of my alts verified through the SL website now .. Just in case. Kinda wishing I hadn't created so many alts now. Don't feel stupid because if questions are not asked people won't know the answers if they are thinking the same
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