Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Question to Blondin Linden,i will like a answer on

-I got 6 private islands, all are mature and are together/added, i do not got any "sex clubs" on them.
I got one Island with a huge mall and 100 shop rentors, some of them do sell "adult" items.

My question are to Blondin Linden, do i need to ask them that sell "adult" items to move? And if so, can i set one of this island, one " next door" as Adult?

They don't. Just as they don't know you are one with your own credit card, someone else's credit card, or Aristotle'd with bogus information.

Right but what I am saying is that I didn't have payment info on file for my alt account yet I bought and sold stuff on xstreet with that account. Still do. So if they never verified that I was an adult and never even got credit card info. then how does buying on xstreet make them assume that I am a adult?

Unless I am reading how that works wrong. I just find it hard to believe that just by bying stuff on xstreet they will assume that I am an adult. The only info. I had to give to xstreet at the time was my email. So I'm still not understanding this.

Dear Blondin,
I asked this question yesterday, and whilst you have answered many questions before and after my posting, my question still remains unanswered Yesterday, I changed my keywords in search (gor and slave) as per the page instructions I was given, has that all changed now? I am reposting this question because, I am making silks right now for my store, and need to know, do I put the slave papers into the silks or not? Or do I make a separate set especially for the adult area, and then go back and split up all of my sets of silks into adult/non adult. This is over 50 sets of silks, and that is why I would love an answer to my question, so that I can start that task. Am I allowed to sell silks in general on normal mature land, as long as I dont have slave papers in them? Can I please have an answer to these questions, I need to get organised with this, I cannot possibly move and change everything in my store with no notice, and no understanding of what to exactly do regarding this issue. Thank you in advance,
angel6 Susanti

You have a couple of options:
a) set all 6 regions to mature, tell your vendors and ask those that sell exclusively adult content to move

b) set all your regions to Adult.

c) set some of your regions mature and the others adult and ask the Adult content vendors on the the mature regions to move over to your adult regions.

c) set some of your regions mature and the others adult and ask the Adult content vendors on the the mature regions to move over to your adult regions.

So why can't we just do this sensibly and flag by parcel then?

I misunderstood Blondin's post in a similar fashion but what I think he was saying was that if you don't upgrade to viewer version 1.23 you will no longer be able to search for adult content, if you're on viewer version 1.23 you'll be fine.

I hope that's what he meant anyway!

I care quite a bit actually, which is why I volunteered to help a few people get ready to move, even though I will not need to move myself. Nice folks too ... made a few friends.

This "misuse of logic" is about tilting at windmills.

This is my first experience with LL as such and I am finding it really scary, its like they could at any time ban anything for any reason and theres nothing anyone can do because if you argue to much you get banished, or ignored. Or worse banned and deleted.

As for the AR complaints, I am sure all of us have before been banned off a site by somone who was just in a bad mood. for example one loden may say if they are in a good mood your product is fine, don't worry you wont be banned. And one in a bad mood come come along and instantly ban you for no reason and ban you again if you ever ask them about it.

Since it seems the thread will be closed shortly, and Blondin seems to be answering posts (though not the backlog of questions from posts pages and pages back) I'll post this yet again - since he hasn't seen fit to answer me thus far.

Blondin - I want *your* answers on this. Everything else is just idle speculation, since only your answers count as "official". I'd like to be able to report back to my Boss that you actually considered our questions - not that you totally blew them off.

[EDIT: after reading here for a few days, I'm pretty sure I know the answers to the questions below, but I'd still like that "official" confirmation.]

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Dear Lindens,

Thank you so much for the publishing of the new guidelines on the Knowledge Base (https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010) but I hate to tell you, they are still too vague to know where one stands.

I have two major concerns and several minor ones regarding the new rules and region designations. Let's start with the 1st major one:

I am the Estate Manager for a group of 4 non-mainland sims - on these sims, we allow *non-sexual* toplessness and nudity, for both women and men (including non-erect prim "bits" for men). How does this fall under the new guidelines - adult or mature?

Your guidelines state no "Photo-realistic nudity". Does this also apply to realistically drawn skins? (E.g. skins with realistically detailed *drawn* nipples and "kitties"?) If so, then you might as well say nudity is "Adult", and not allowed in Mature areas, since I cannot judge what sort of skins our visitors might choose to wear. And what about prim gentialia attachments? Is it still "Adult" if our sim rules do not allow them to be in an erect state? What about the activities naked avatars are engaged in? If a group of avatars is dancing naked in a field, but not engaging in sexual acts, is *that* "Adult"? Where is the line drawn?

Another concern regarding our sim and it's activities is this: while we allow non-sexual nudity in "public" (nothing in SL is really private anyway, but we define public as anywhere one should not normally expect sexual activity - shops, taverns, the street, the main square, etc.) we do have an underground region equipt with sex-gen beds for those who wish to engage in such activities in "private". Your new guidelines state - "Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they don't promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)." While our underground private rooms are not a dance club, this would still seem to apply to them in that they "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)".

We have taken great care to keep all sexual activity out of the eyes of those who might not wish to see it, while still allowing those who wish to engage in it the freedom to do so. But it seems that under your new guidelines, this would brand our sim "Adult", rather than Mature. Why are we being penalised for being *responsible* folk? If I am mistaken, and this does *not* define our sim as "Adult", please explain why it isn't and whether or not as an Estate Manager I will have to worry about fraudulant ARs from the small minority that might be offended anyway. For me, as a manager, that would be a *major* concern, because often, ARs are handled in haste and repaired after the fact. I cannot afford to be banned for "running adult activities in a mature sim", even if it were rectified later. I am part of the law and order in our sim, and need to be availible to maintain that order, as well as all my other duties as a manager.

Which brings us to our sims rental residents. Will they be forced to remove any sex-gen or similar items from their homes because of this "promote sexual conduct such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces)" clause? Will they have to remove nude art (including artistic nude photographs, since these are certainly "photo-realistic"? How far does this "no sex poseballs in public" thing go? We will lose a *lot* of rental residents if they are forced to remove all things of a sexual nature from their homes.

And before you suggest "Well then, just re-zone your sim Adult", I will explain to you why we do not want to do this: We do not consider ourselves an "Adult" sim. We do not want to be re-zoned "Adult", and then have to argue with visitors who come in about not sex-scening in the street or removing erect attachments. We do not want to be ARed because we banned them from our land after they would not comply, having them tell us "This is an Adult region and I can do that here!" Even if the AR was not enforced, it makes more work for us, and we do not have a huge management staff. We also do not want to attract the sorts of visitors an Adult rating *would* attract - not because of their interests/desires/behaviours - but because they will come in assuming we offer entertainments we do not actually allow. This will hurt our reputation in the manner of "false advertising". (EDIT: Resulting in further arguements, ARs, and general ill-will between visitors and management) Not to mention the severe downturn of traffic we will see since only the age verified will be able to enter. (And would also result in banning some of our rental residents from their land, as they are Europeans who are having difficulty verifying.)

These new guidelines were obviously *not* meant to work with people who try hard to maintain a balance on their sims between sexual freedom and orgiastic licentiousness. You seem to have a assumed that if we allow any adult activity, then we are by definition an "Adult" sim, which is not always the case. Please clarify for me how these new rules will affect those of us who allow certain adult behaviours in a *controlled* and private manner. It seems as if these new rules, if implemented as I fear they will be, will end up punishing those of us who are trying to maintain a balance that will please almost everyone.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure I've already responded to these but I'll give it another go.



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Mature. Nothing you described above would be Adult.




Flag the region that the cave is on as adult and the other three as Mature. That way you can can maintain the overall Mature rating while still allowing your renters the ability to access your more adult areas.



Nothing will have to be removed from private homes.



What do you think of my above suggestions of having 1 of your 4 regions Adult and the rest mature?

Gorean folks that profess enslaving women will need to be adult ...
someone will have to call their ass, a donkey ...
your tits are now just birds ...
sex equipment will be harder to sell to noobs ...
if those are the worst things that happen to you this year ...
consider yourself lucky.

Does anyone have a MULTILINGUAL info card on this debacle? and/or a Notecard giver that will give out based on PIOF/NPIOF/PIU status?

Tell me you are joking about having adult and mature mixed and side by side

Nothing will have to be removed from private homes.

Thank you for clerifiying the viewer thing boldin that is at least one worry out of the way and dealt with.

This is my first experience with LL as such and I am finding it really scary, its like they could at any time ban anything for any reason and theres nothing anyone can do because if you argue to much you get banished, or ignored. Or worse banned and deleted.

Also when I read the very scary speech by this new guy in charge M is it? or is that the wrong linden? Anyways when he made the management speech of something like the desperate the undesirable all flock here. I found that very worrying and that wa son my fiurst day of finding SL.

All this does really far more damage to new customers than adult activity ever will, all this jsut makes LL look like a dictatorship and what really hurt the desire of companies coming in here? How gambling and Banking was absolutly carpet banned overnight. Now I know the banking thing was for reasons. But the big companies see things like that and say ' I am not going near SL we spend a few thousand to get sorted out and if they decide they dont like 'put example here' they can ban it overnight and kick the company out without a moments hesitation. Thats the real issue.

As for the AR complaints, I am sure all of us have before been banned off a site by somone who was just in a bad mood. for example one linden may say if they are in a good mood your product is fine, don't worry you wont be banned. And one in a bad mood come come along and instantly ban you for no reason and ban you again if you ever ask them about it.

I hope he's not joking, we can't start working to a sensible solution of parcel level flags on estates if that's the case.

What i meant was can an adult flagged sim and a Mature sim be placed side by side with a PG sim in a block or row so i can walk from one private sim to another, so walk from PG into Mature into Adult

Not that they had to move to Ursula, sorry i thought i had made that clear

As long as your maturity levels allow access, then yes, you could walk from one to the other.