Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

With respect Lindal, what you wrote in /352/11/314444/258.html#post2408543 quoted just PART of that paragraph, the part that restricted it to efforts to get the viewer working you left out, which was key to framing the statement.

Now, I can totally understand why you drew the conclusion you did, and I'm not saying you are wrong. Just trying to clarify which was a Linden quote and which was your opinion, is all.

I definitely think that it's one possibility and you may end up being right. I wasn't saying you were wrong by coming up with another interpretation - merely saying that there are a few different opinions on how this might go.

I agree, Argent, but I was thinking one step at a time - get Blondin's answers published so that they are part of the official body of information on the topic, then we can work on identifying where things conflict and try to get them resolved. I just want SOMETHING to happen to get this information out there officially, and not just let it languish in this forum thread, consigned to obscurity.

Should I assume that the lack of any response or any real statement about art means the latter is the case?

Be fair, now. I don't think any member of the anthropomorphic community would argue that "yiff" should NOT be in that list. I am more concerned that Gorean is in the list.

Um, with all due respect, what the fox are you talking about?

So you feel that I should be able to do whatever pornographic build I want in SL, even using real pictures, and if I call it "art" is shouldn't be adult?

I don't think you can definitively put down a line, to be honest - RL local authorities have struggled with stuff like that with artists like Robert Mapplethorpe so I don't think that you're going to get a blanket "OK" from Linden Labs on the topic in-world.

I think the 'no sex' signs at infocenters are hillarious ... even the Lindens Linden-up by not being able to replace the words they banned. Maybe they should set a good example and make 'no insert-any-banned-activity-here' signs instead?

Fair enough.

Blondin:

Part one... get your answers to these frequently asked questions added to the knowledge base as a FAQ (which, after all, means Frequently Asked Questions).

Part two... get the current FAQ () and Overview ( which is Frequently raising more Questions than it Answers) replaced or updated to match.

Line up orderly and enter the boxcar in single file. It is up to you to make this work as best it can.

Both, Blondin. Something causing me much fear is that the GTeam seems to operate from some totally unknown set of standards and does not communicate with anyone except by suspending their accounts. To have a predicable experience we must know what is a violation and how it will be enforced. Today, we don't.

As long as you aren't on old PG land, yes yes I do think that. But then I feel the same way about ads. See my signature.

Right. Today we don't know anything, which is yet another thing residents have been complaining about for some time. The only time you know that you've even been AR'ed is *after* they've made their decision and taken action.

Oops, and apologies, you are right. I DID just quote the last sentence. The full paragraph was

"As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer, I'm sorry to say that it just isn't possible. That's not to say that we are opposed to the idea. As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another."

I still say that the second part, "As you are all aware..." does not refer to the 1.23 viewer, but to the whole current Adult Content project.

I hope I'm wrong. I wish I was wrong, about the whole bloody mess. If events prove me so, I promise I will wear a jester's hat, and a big sign saying "LINDEN LAB ROCKS" and run around behind you for a full week, shouting "You Told ME So".

Hi. I have been reading all of the discussion and although I have not read every single entry I think I have a good feel for what is being said. I see three main concerns over and over about what is going to happen. 1. The concern with the adult verification. 2. The concern with moving a business to the new are. 3. The concern with searches and keywords. Now maybe there are others but those seem to dominate the duscussion. What haven't really seen are many suggestions from people on what should be done. It is mostly "what are you going to do about this and that. Now I am probably just a naive dancer in an adult club but I have some thoughts, maybe the Lindens won't listen but I can try. First of all I don't think this segregation will ever work. I mean where in history has it ever worked. You are going to have so many problems from both sides it will become a real mess. So what I think you should do is continue to have two seperate worlds, right now you have the adult and teen worlds and you say you are getting rid of the teen world. Well then why not make that world a place that people can go to who do not want the more adult aspects, it would seem to be set up already along those lines. Leave things as they are in the adult world. This would I think eliminate the concerns with points 2 and 3. The age verification is a bit more difficult. For people from the USA it is not to bad we can enter in the last four digits of our Social Security number and be verified but for non USA you need to find something better then the choices they are being offered, I know from talking with a lot of Canadian and European adult dancers that they do not want to provide the kind of information being asked. Maybe some people from other countries have some ideas on this as to what can be done to verify their age. If we don't want things to be done a certain way we need to start coming up with some alternative ideas. Thank you.

I said "preliminary", Argent. But yes, *I* would argue that "yiff" should not be on the list, and I'm not even a furry. Yiff is a manufactured word, meaning "sex between humanoid animal creatures, commonly known as 'furries'". So, yiff = sex.

Further, I would argue that "sex" should not be on the list. We were promised "only the most extreme" content would be affected. "Sex" applies to far more than that. It can be used in a completely non-erotic sense, as in "a member of the female sex". It can be used to describe activities that are clearly Mature, but not "extreme adult".

"Yiff" and "sex" and "Gor" are blanket terms, they cover wide ranges of content and activities, and thus should not be on the Adult terms list.

/me looks at you sadly and shakes her head. "Your toe-nibbling days are numbered, ferrets."

With the partitioning, the old Adult category effectively becomes a subcategory of, well, Adult. It's redundant. The Other category isn't new. There are other existing categories, like Hangout, Shopping, Residential, even Any, that adult-oriented places can feel more comfortable about using under the new scheme.

all this stuff people are complaining about was against the TOS all along. Do your homework. There are several metaverse related blog posts regarding the legalization of adult content in SL that is now happening.

Does anyone have a MULTILINGUAL info card on this debacle? and/or a Notecard giver that will give out based on PIOF/NPIOF/PIU status?

They are allowing adult content providers to list adverts and search descriptions with adult words including profanity, although this is currently widespread it is technically a breach of the rules. I doubt many people would object to LL filtering words like f*ck from PG search results to comply with already existing community standards.

However the rest of it they're making a mess of and aren't working with us on trying to avoid silly situations.

>After the 1.23 final viewer is shipped there will be a 60-day grace period for people to >upgrade. After 60 days, if they have not upgraded, they will no longer be able to search >for adult content. They will still be able to access adult regions if they have enough info to >be adult-verified, but search won't return results with adult keywords or from adult >regions

This is your total end. As a company you are totally finished. And you won't be able to damage and hurt residents as you want, but you will only hurt yourself. At the end of 2009 there will be no such company as Linden Lab. You are a moral and financial bankrupt. Corrupted to the bones. Censorship is your religion.

and what we oppressed customers can do about it? I think this should be the subject to discussion on this forum.



They will go out of business sooner than us. Just look at their attitude.

Blondin didn't word that very well but he's talking about upgrading to the new viewer I believe, if you upgrade to the new viewer things will be fine.

I don't for one minute think LL care except for when we pay tier

Oh?




Cite, please. Links to known trolls like Prok will be cheerfully ignored.

Or do you mean "one of the many things that people are complaining about" when you wrote "all this stuff that people are complaining about".

what about BDSM? a lot of that involves neither sex or violence. Same with kink.