Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 13:56
From: Taly Fluffy I hope, Blondin, that you can explain to us why some of these large subcultures are being hidden, while others are being given respect as legitimate lifestyles. They aren't being hidden. In fact, they will be on display for anyone who wants to find it. We are simply taking steps to ensure that those who participate are allowed to be there.
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Ayla Holt
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04-28-2009 13:56
From: Erinyse Planer right back at ya sunshine.
his post was in response to a jira, and i am responding to his posit, and considering this is already one of the top voted for changes on jira its safe to say the "We" is everyone that voted for it. so dont presume to put words in my mouth. the way you have to others over and over on these forums. cause trust me i dont speak for you. i dont even want to speak to you... Thanks for proving my point of how rude your posts are.
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Snickers Snook
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04-28-2009 14:05
Of course there's "Dick" Cheney... 
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Phoenix Nohkan
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04-28-2009 14:05
From: Darien Caldwell This plan began nearly a year ago. It's changed a lot since then obviously. And a lot of those changes were based directly on the feedback they got from residents. So they are listening.
But really what I mean, is that LL is giving up on their dream for what SL is supposed to be. If they kept true to what they really want to do, they would be outright banning Sex, Gor, and everything else. Flat. Wipe it out completely. Instead they are compromising to make room for this in SL, going through all the time, trouble, and expense to not only rewrite sizable portions of Second Life, but create a whole new continent to accomodate us. Does nobody realize the amount of work, planning, and good old fashioned dollars that had to have taken? That is compromise. And Personally, I think a lot of the recent Long-Time Lindens who left likely left over this issue, unhappy that the dream had been compromised. I have not a shred of proof that is so, but, again, my gut says so.
I dont' expect anyone else to trust my interpretation of what is happening here. Frankly I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But It's the best I personally have to go on at this time. I just ask that people open themselves to the possibility that the sky won't fall. I'm not even going to touch the 1st paragraph-no evidence of that though. Do you realize how much work property owners in SL do on a day by day basis and how much the move will cost them in time and money?! Oh but they're those (italics please) sex workers (cue shriek) So let's deny them their humanness please. It's lovely to see some goreans saying don't lump me with them. Instead of supporting each other we divide ourselves for the conquering I guess. I work as a dancer in a BDSM club and it will have to go. Funny thing being there and meeting people. The assistant manager at the club whose also my best friend in sl is the sweetest person and really does her most to be kind to everyone. Ditto the manager and the land owner while he's (the owner) mostly fixing and building. They've all been so caring and compassionate. More so than anywhere I've been in SL. I didn't exactly plan to be a dancer in a BDSM club when I came into sl and you know people don't plan generally. People particularly in sl explore-try new things and that's why lumping all of the so called sleeze that LL wants to be rid of IS doomed to fail. That is people will have to intentionally do things to go places they just "happen on" now-human nature is a funny thing and not I think well understood generally or by LL. Back to the club I work at. I'm a dancer as I said but that doesn't make me one sliver of a little bit better than my friends who escort-maybe I see that even better now. These people do not deserve your veiled scorn and haste to disassociate from them. The kindnesses I've been shown there make me think of that story of the god who took human form and lived among humans. Who did he supposedly live among? I'd like to believe that story too but apparently the only message anyone got from it was how big a rock they should throw-always bigger right?
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04-28-2009 14:10
From: Meade Paravane I was only responding to what looked like somebody saying that the word list was embedded in the viewer.. Sorry my bad u can slapt.me anytime 
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Dogboat Taurog
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04-28-2009 14:11
From: Shockwave Yareach ummm. I don't know any kids (I have 2 kids) that have 100$ a month US in free funds to get half a sim, never mind a couple of full sims. We aren't talking about buying a couple of movies here - we are talking about laying out a cool grand for the first month and 200$ for every month thereafter. EVERY month. For each Sim on the mainland. Sure, a handful of people in million dollar homes will give little Johnny a sim of his own to play with, the vast bulk of kids out there have on average 50$ a month free to play with. And play they do, buying DVDs, video games, shoes and clothes, cellphones. If LL is selling us out to get the kids to buy land instead, they are gonna be in for a very unpleasant shock - their buying power isn't nearly as vast as the adults who give the teens that money to begin with. not land, items. did you see how much profit xstreet made? now imagine the profit was 75% instead of the 5% they get now...
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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04-28-2009 14:11
From: Viktoria Dovgal The standard always disallowed that stuff on the web site, the surprising change is that suddenly they are enforcing it .
Actually, Linden Labs is violating their own community standards. The words you enter may be filtered, but the *results* still have all the dirty words.
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 14:15
Search in the ALL tab will be filtered while search in the PEOPLE tab will not.
In other words: if someone has an adult word anywhere in their profile, the ALL tab will filter it while the PEOPLE tab will not.
Keep in mind that searching the PEOPLE tab only searched avatar names.
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Vorren Voltaire
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04-28-2009 14:17
Will non adult events held on adult land be filtered?
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
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04-28-2009 14:19
From: Darien Caldwell People keep using the "banned" word, but geez, they aren't banning anything. You can still get your groove on, even without verifying. Even on Mature land, in your home. Think about that.  I used "banned", and I meant it, Darien. That is where this is heading. Just look at the changes in the definitions, just in the four weeks we've been discussing this. They want to eliminate ALL adult content. They're doing it in stages, but that's the eventual goal. First the move to Ursula for the lucky few Then the elimination of remaining content by AR, by G-Team fiat, by eliminating large segments of the customer base through the verification system, by making it difficult or impossible to advertise, and by making Adult land prohibitively expensive. It's a classic squeeze play. They'll come for the poseballs in your bedroom, mark my words.
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Blondin Linden
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04-28-2009 14:24
From: Alexander Harbrough Question... is the word 'adult' itself censored? and if not, would it be ok to say 'with adult poseballs' in an ad? No
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Hypatia Meili
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04-28-2009 14:26
From: Blondin Linden Search in the ALL tab will be filtered while search in the PEOPLE tab will not.
In other words: if someone has an adult word anywhere in their profile, the ALL tab will filter it while the PEOPLE tab will not.
Keep in mind that searching the PEOPLE tab only searched avatar names. An interesting Observation: I also just noticed that ALL handles unpaid accounts differently then paid. I Had not realized that before.
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Thorn Witrial
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04-28-2009 14:26
From: Hypatia Meili An interesting Observation: I also just noticed that ALL handles unpaid accounts differently then paid. I Had not realized that before. In what way?
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Lindal Kidd
Dances With Noobs
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04-28-2009 14:28
From: Blondin Linden ... As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another. Darien, here is a direct quote from a Linden that supports my thesis. This whole pogrom is "the first step". They aren't getting it right, and that in itself has got almost everyone (of the minority who actually know about it) upset, and rightly so. But it's that "first step" that really worries me. Yes: Linden Lab plans to ban all adult content from Second Life. That's the goal that this is the "first step" toward.
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Ryanna Enfield
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04-28-2009 14:28
From: Blondin Linden They aren't being hidden. In fact, they will be on display for anyone who wants to find it. We are simply taking steps to ensure that those who participate are allowed to be there. So now we are back to the kiddies, because I don't really need to remind you that Second Life is an 18+ environment. That means PG, Mature, and Adult, which are all a part of the 18+ environment. That being the case, then why are you not implementing blanket Age-Verification for all of SL? The activities that will be going on in Ursula Continent and Adult Private Sims are the same activities that will be going on in the privacy (privacy doesn't exist in SL) of resident's homes on mainland. You have already stated that people can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes on mature mainland. So how are you "taking steps (with regards to mature designated land) to ensure that those who participate are allowed to be there?"
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Hypatia Meili
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04-28-2009 14:29
From: Alexander Harbrough Question... is the word 'adult' itself censored? and if not, would it be ok to say 'with adult poseballs' in an ad?
No to both? No to the first question? No to the last question? Why such short short answers? We do not want a novel but please be a bit more complete. 
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Matthew Dowd
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04-28-2009 14:29
From: Erinyse Planer it is currantly only released to the test groups. give it about a week You can get a nightly build from http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Portalbut this is a nightly build so what you download one day may change totally the following day. and what you see in that may not reflect what you will see in a RC (let alone a released client). Matthew
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Ciaran Laval
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04-28-2009 14:31
From: Blondin Linden Search in the ALL tab will be filtered while search in the PEOPLE tab will not.
In other words: if someone has an adult word anywhere in their profile, the ALL tab will filter it while the PEOPLE tab will not.
Keep in mind that searching the PEOPLE tab only searched avatar names. Will parcels be filtered in a similar way? Not appearing in all but appearing in the places tab?
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Erinyse Planer
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04-28-2009 14:33
From: Chris Norse Get your facts straight. This is no more "ultra-right conservative" then the ad ban was. It is coming from the "liberal" education community. I have better information then you do, and most of the universities in my state that had anything to do with Secondlife are pulling out over this. They don't want these age verification hassles or the cost of relocating or modifying their builds.
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Hypatia Meili
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04-28-2009 14:35
From: Erinyse Planer I have better information then you do, and most of the universities in my state that had anything to do with Secondlife are pulling out over this. They don't want these age verification hassles or the cost of relocating or modifying their builds. Now that IS funny! 
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Phoenix Nohkan
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04-28-2009 14:37
From: Ryanna Enfield So now we are back to the kiddies, because I don't really need to remind you that Second Life is an 18+ environment. That means PG, Mature, and Adult, which are all a part of the 18+ environment. That being the case, then why are you not implementing blanket Age-Verification for all of SL?
The activities that will be going on in Ursula Continent and Adult Private Sims are the same activities that will be going on in the privacy (privacy doesn't exist in SL) of resident's homes on mainland. You have already stated that people can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes on mature mainland.
So how are you "taking steps (with regards to mature designated land) to ensure that those who participate are allowed to be there?" Just as in RL there's a double standard. What goes on in the homes of the decent people won't be bothered with unless it becomes an embarrassment to LL. The adult content already is.
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Snickers Snook
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04-28-2009 14:39
What if a club in a Mature region wishes to advertise itself as "no nudity, no weapons, no roleplay"? Just sayin' this gets really silly without context.
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Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 14:40
From: Erinyse Planer I have better information then you do, and most of the universities in my state that had anything to do with Secondlife are pulling out over this. They don't want these age verification hassles or the cost of relocating or modifying their builds. Why would Universities have to relocate to modify?
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Brenda Connolly
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04-28-2009 14:41
Any of you guys see this? It seems there are more surprises with the new viewer. http://www.starley.com/2009/04/the-future-of-skins.html
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Ayesha Askham
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So are we really ready for the Steamroller?
04-28-2009 14:43
From: Blondin Linden Search in the ALL tab will be filtered while search in the PEOPLE tab will not.
In other words: if someone has an adult word anywhere in their profile, the ALL tab will filter it while the PEOPLE tab will not.
Keep in mind that searching the PEOPLE tab only searched avatar names. The thin end of the LL wedge. Like many folk I came to SL with no idea as to how or whether I would live a second life. I now seriously doubt my ability to live without it. I am not sick, I am not a pervert. Some of the kindest, most helpful people in SL are in the BDSM community. There are people who come to SL for innocent fun and recreation (yes, really, there are!) but amongst the "vanilla" culture I found selfishness, disinterest and general isolationist attitudes - maybe I was unlucky? What repeats to me all throughout this discussion is that LL do not give a toss about their current customer base. We are just the Beta-Testers for the Grid that LL wish to sell to Education and Commerce. We are ALL adults, so why can't we do ADULT things? Sanitisation, segregation, discrimination (with apologies to the Moody Blues). That is all we can expect from LL henceforth.
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