Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

You missed the highlighted text. If the store is primarily not selling sexual items, but merely has them as a sideline or as an incidental supplement to a non-sexual product, then they will be able to stay without removing those items. If advertising those items is the difference between success and failure, then we're not talking about a store that is "primarily not sexually oriented".

I still do not understand what is going to be different and predictable after these changes are implemented. If people are still able to get freaky with whips and chains and slaves and ponies in their unadvertised private homes on mature land, how exactly does this solve the problem of the SL experience not being predictable and how does it stop people from stumbling into this unadvertised adult content?

Are even tougher restrictions on the horizon?

Just posted this response on that thread:

Quoting Me!!: "Well hello everyone! I see a few familiar faces in the crowd. I'll try and address some of these comments but you should check back with the main thread /352/11/314444/1.html if you don't already know about it.

It seems that Kyle hit the major take - away from this issue: "The greatest risk with the coming changes is a user being inadvertently in a position of being at risk of Abuse Report for a content violation..."

Ryanna also says "it is important that they be able to flag themselves as such in some way so that they never find themselves in a situation where they have offended others, and become the target of an AR because they "accidentally" dropped, tp'd or otherwise flew into a PG area."

Lord Sullivan asks: "Can you give us a cast iron guarantee that this will not happen and if it does through no fault of our own we will not be subjected to an AR from a PG person, as we all know how inconsistent the GTeam are."

While I would love to sit here and type out a guarantee that you could quote, there are always a few bugs to work out in every new viewer. Is it never going to happen? I can't say until 1.23 is in wider distribution and the majority of SL users are experiencing it for themselves. But I can assure you Lord and everyone here, that this is the way in which the 1.23 viewer is intended to work. Logins will always redirect you to either your last location, your home, or a safe location based on your preferred maturity. If your last location was PG, or your home is, you may end up on a PG region. If this should happen to fail and result in an AR, the Gov Team will investigate each case individually and escalate the failure to the appropriate developers to fix.

As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer, I'm sorry to say that it just isn't possible. That's not to say that we are opposed to the idea. As you are all aware, we are attempting a HUGE change in the Second Life experience and we would like the opportunity to focus first on rolling out these changes. In other words, we want to get this first step right before we take another.

The standard always disallowed that stuff on the web site, the surprising change is that suddenly they are enforcing it .

And for Blondin, that would be a good thing to get answered! Since the web site is supposed to be at a PG standard, is that what we are seeing, the version of search that users who choose PG for their account flag will see? Will people who choose Mature but not adult see some of those items that are missing from the web page version of the search?

The search filter both in the 1.23 client, and on search.secondlife.com only filter the words you enter in the search box. Basically, if you enter a filtered word, it is ignored. Example: a search for "escort club" gets reduced to a search for "club".

The *results* returned from any search still contain whatever the profile/land description etc had in them, even if the filtered words are part of it.

We have only a few days left before this thread becomes history...we need another blog somewhere. If anyone reads this different please respond... but it looks like only a few days before it's shut down.



Today, we've published a working draft of the definitions for PG, Mature and Adult here. We want to continue the discussion about our definitions and then finalize them by the end of April. The forums will stay up through the end of this process so we can continue to hear your feedback. Next week, we plan to release the Release Candidate (RC) for Viewer 1.23, which will be the first to include the new functionality related to this initiative. If you want to get an early look at setting maturity ratings and filtering search results, you'll be able to do both with the new RC. Over the next few months, we'll be continuing to work on the main viewer, which we anticipate will be ready by the end of June. When Viewer 1.23 is final and ready to become the main Viewer (again, estimated to be by the end of June), the full implementation process will begin - all regions will need to be maturity-rated, search will be filtered for everyone, Adult content on the mainland will need to move to the new continent, and access to Adult regions and search results will be limited to Residents with verified accounts. This process will of course take some time and the feedback we've received from discussions so far will help guide the details of the implementation process; we currently expect it to last through August. We'll of course update everyone with the details of the timeline as they are pinned down.

hehe well i know i come across as a bit extreme at times but i truly think Ursula or Sin City whatever it will be called will not be the end of LL's major moves.

what does porn do for their business?
not a lot and it would seen to be an embarassment to them.

Kids on the other hand - plenty of disposable cash and they get bored fast, so they need a constant flow of stimulus in the way of items.

LL own Xstreet, so what stops LL licensing items and getting 90% of the profit rather than a measly 5%?

even when you are comfortable in your gulag dont relax for too long a snip here and there by LL and you are truly fooked.

I would have to double check but I don't think that Avatar names are going to be effected.

it is currantly only released to the test groups. give it about a week

Documenting that search filters some things is itself PG. I accept that the list of dirty words itself is adult, so it will be documented elsewhere.

(I have thoughts of various places to put the list, besides the Slapt wiki, but to make it symmetrically evil, lets not tell Blondin where. If you want to discuss it, contact me inworld)

so get it right and implement it or shut up and go home blondin. Give us what we want, not what your little ultra-right conservative sexist, biased, discriminatory minds wants us to have.
it will take at most two days to implement. ten minutes to change the code, two additional days to test it. AT MOST.

So... How would this work if I'm new to SL and don't have any payment info on file, or age-verification, but I know I'm looking for an Escort and I'm "dressed to impress" attachments and all? Will I arrive "in style" at the Romantic Ballroom Club in a strict PG zone and knock some poor loving couple over the head with my attachment as I rezz in?

I'm obviously not new, nor do I have an impressive attachment, but is this the predictable experience we are aiming for?

What "WE" want? Most of your posts have been pretty rude. And, just for the record, you have no idea what I want. So please speak for yourself.

right back at ya sunshine.

his post was in response to a jira, and i am responding to his posit, and considering this is already one of the top voted for changes on jira its safe to say the "We" is everyone that voted for it. so dont presume to put words in my mouth. the way you have to others over and over on these forums. cause trust me i dont speak for you. i dont even want to speak to you...

Call me sweetie.
BT

ummm. I don't know any kids (I have 2 kids) that have 100$ a month US in free funds to get half a sim, never mind a couple of full sims. We aren't talking about buying a couple of movies here - we are talking about laying out a cool grand for the first month and 200$ for every month thereafter. EVERY month. For each Sim on the mainland. Sure, a handful of people in million dollar homes will give little Johnny a sim of his own to play with, the vast bulk of kids out there have on average 50$ a month free to play with. And play they do, buying DVDs, video games, shoes and clothes, cellphones. If LL is selling us out to get the kids to buy land instead, they are gonna be in for a very unpleasant shock - their buying power isn't nearly as vast as the adults who give the teens that money to begin with.

Hi Blondin,

What happens when there are children on PG, mainland and adult zones, as it seems there will be, and they pose as adults?

Who will police this?

Who will be held responsible for child who has cyber sex?

The 1.23 version is in "alpha test" which means it is not ready for general population testing yet. When it gets to "beta test" Linden labs will incorrectly label it a Release Candidate and do an average of about 10 more test versions, before the final official release. That's why version 1.22.11 has an 11 at the end, they went through 11 release candidates to get the final release "winner".

The one I am using I got from here:

http://kirstenleecinquetti.blogspot.com/
The S17-1 download dated 26April2009

KirstenLee is working on shadow rendering. She is one of many open source developers who is taking the SL source code that is available for test, and making modifications and improvements.

I tell you all this so you understand this disclaimer:

"Warning: this is modified early test software. It likely has bugs. If you are not comfortable using such software, do not try this at home, we are trained professionals"

Despite the disclaimer, its worked just fine for me so far, no crashes in a few days of use.

Get your facts straight. This is no more "ultra-right conservative" then the ad ban was. It is coming from the "liberal" education community.

Wait until the lil girl's father finds out what she's doing and sues Linden Labs.

Hope whatever you are planning for is worth the impending lawsuits by every ATTY General in the US, Mark. Because nothing in this jihad will keep little Linda from finding someones house and staining the virtual sheets with some 55 year old molester from Nantucket. The only things that'll keep the kids safe is either keeping them on a seperate grid as you do now, or keep all the teens on a G-rated continent where no sex or violence of any sort is permitted.

But if you really want to have Second Life exposed by Chris Hanson, just keep right on going.

It was the weekend, then he had 1000 posts to catch up on. Timing makes perfect sense to me.

This isn't looking to be true and I wonder if this will extend to parcels.

I'll use Tyche as an example, no offense to Tyche.

Goto http://search.secondlife.com/search.php

Type in "Tyche"

Take note of the name of the avatar you see.

Go inworld, use search, type "Tyche".

Take note of the name of the avatar you see.

They're different, one has the word "Submissive" in her profile and so is not showing on the website.

Now if they extend this inworld and bring it to parcels, the arguments that adult content can be still sold as a sideline if they're not the main theme of the parcel start to look a little bit unworkable.

Hehe. Sorry I realize what I said sounds kinda ridiculous, now that I thought it over. It is very late for me here. But I supposed what I was coming back to is the whole "predictable experience." I simply cannot see how anyone, Lindens included, can think that these changes they are going to implement will do anything but cause complete unpreditability, and a whole heck of a lot of mass confusion.

How is it predictable if I search for something and I can't find it? How is it predictable if I search for something, find it and TP there only to find it isn't what was stated in the search because they weren't allowed to tell me what was really there because of banned words in search for advertising? How is any of that anything BUT confusing?

Well this has always been the idea I'd prefer but reading LL's definitions of what PG is supposed to be, which pretty much seems to be for educational and RL business use only, they seem to have decided that toning down mature to a public perception of PG meets the goal.

Hence why LL are so reluctant to create a PG continent, even though that clearly meets the goal of a more predictable experience.

What other steps? What is next? Could you please tell us what you have in mind up front so people can make up their minds about their association with Linden Lab instead of smashing the economy over and over and over. It is even possible some number of us might get behind you if you bothered to explain the road map for the next 5 years instead of dropping nukes on the people who are paying your salaries and bills.

And would you please answer my questions related to blood spatters on textures and vampyres in general? Is vampyre role play going to be banned to Ursula?