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Erinyse Planer
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04-28-2009 15:55
you know a lwayer pointed out to me something a few minutes ago if every store thats going to lose business cause of this policy went to the CA attorney Generals office as well as their own state/province/country's equivalent, its a safe bet LL would be reversing this real fast. Theres allot of nice little laws about interfering with commerce that i am sure this will fall under. I would be interested to see what would happen to LL if all theses stores rose up and filed complaints. I know i will be.
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Mosley Sperber
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04-28-2009 15:56
(about items with "adult" words in their names/descriptions set to show in search)
Or does it automatically filter your shop from showing at all. And incidentally get you in trouble for adverting adult stuff on mature. (& also at this point in time flag you to be moved to Pornotopia.) That, exactly, is what I'd like to have answered too. (And in my case, it would be "advertising adult stuff" on PG land, even -- and even a "false positive" in the keyword filter and not an actual "adult" word.) _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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04-28-2009 15:58
They can. That will be their choice if they want to move. So EVERYONE with an Adult rated description that WANTS to move will be included in the Adult Continent Land Swap plan? |
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Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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04-28-2009 16:01
The PEOPLE tab is the only one that doesn't filter. PLACES will. Ok thanks for the answer, so onto the next issue. As all search is filtering out some profiles if they contain a banned word, will parcels get the same treatment. What I'm trying to get at here Blondin is if a store on mature land sells for example Gorean silks, will having "Gorean" in the parcel description or as an item set to show in search, exclude that parcel from showing in mature search completely? |
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Couldbe Yue
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Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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04-28-2009 16:03
you know a lwayer pointed out to me something a few minutes ago if every store thats going to lose business cause of this policy went to the CA attorney Generals office as well as their own state/province/country's equivalent, its a safe bet LL would be reversing this real fast. Theres allot of nice little laws about interfering with commerce that i am sure this will fall under. I would be interested to see what would happen to LL if all theses stores rose up and filed complaints. I know i will be. interesting for all those who live in America. for those outside the us there's not a lot that can be done though I suspect simply because the servers are outside their jurisdiction. _____________________
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Ashe1 Writer
Searching & Seeking
Join date: 20 Jul 2007
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04-28-2009 16:14
you know a lwayer pointed out to me something a few minutes ago if every store thats going to lose business cause of this policy went to the CA attorney Generals office as well as their own state/province/country's equivalent, its a safe bet LL would be reversing this real fast. Theres allot of nice little laws about interfering with commerce that i am sure this will fall under. I would be interested to see what would happen to LL if all theses stores rose up and filed complaints. I know i will be. You know, everytime LL changes their policy, someone along the way cries 'lawsuit.' Don't you think that LL went over this with all THEIR lawyers first? I'm almost positive they don't make a move without consulting the legal department beforehand. _____________________
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 16:14
I would be interested to see what would happen to LL if all theses stores rose up and filed complaints. I know i will be. |
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Valentine Young
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Join date: 15 Jan 2007
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gaming the search
04-28-2009 16:16
a modest proposal:
All banned, err, filtered, right blondin, search words be lindenized! Samples: lindenAnal, lindenBDSM, lindenBondage lindenGor, lindenRape, lindenSex lindenXXX Uses a few extra letters in each profile or advertisement, unfortunately. After all, is only a few bytes per word. An aside, when will, virtual character rights be enshrined in the constitution? Virtual characters are human, yes?! |
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Darien Caldwell
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04-28-2009 16:16
Do you realize how much work property owners in SL do on a day by day basis and how much the move will cost them in time and money?! Oh but they're those (italics please) sex workers (cue shriek) So let's deny them their humanness please. It's lovely to see some goreans saying don't lump me with them. Instead of supporting each other we divide ourselves for the conquering I guess. I used to own and run a 15 sim estate. I am well aware of the work, which is to say It took me one whole day to move a 11,000 prim sim build from one sim to another. I'm afraid I'm not going to give people much sympathy for the 'lost time and money' part. Picking up your parcel and re-rezzing it on a new one isn't reall that hard. Iv'e personally moved my own sim about 4 times in my SL career. I work as a dancer in a BDSM club and it will have to go. Funny thing being there and meeting people. The assistant manager at the club whose also my best friend in sl is the sweetest person and really does her most to be kind to everyone. Ditto the manager and the land owner while he's (the owner) mostly fixing and building. They've all been so caring and compassionate. More so than anywhere I've been in SL. I didn't exactly plan to be a dancer in a BDSM club when I came into sl and you know people don't plan generally. People particularly in sl explore-try new things and that's why lumping all of the so called sleeze that LL wants to be rid of IS doomed to fail. That is people will have to intentionally do things to go places they just "happen on" now-human nature is a funny thing and not I think well understood generally or by LL. Back to the club I work at. I'm a dancer as I said but that doesn't make me one sliver of a little bit better than my friends who escort-maybe I see that even better now. These people do not deserve your veiled scorn and haste to disassociate from them. The kindnesses I've been shown there make me think of that story of the god who took human form and lived among humans. Who did he supposedly live among? I'd like to believe that story too but apparently the only message anyone got from it was how big a rock they should throw-always bigger right? I'm not sure what your point is with the rest, but People will still be just as nice as before. Search and Location doesn't affect niceness, or at least it shouldn't. _____________________
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Ilana Debevec
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Join date: 25 May 2007
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04-28-2009 16:18
a modest proposal: All banned, err, filtered, right blondin, search words be lindenized! Samples: lindenAnal, lindenBDSM, lindenBondage lindenGor, lindenRape, lindenSex lindenXXX Uses a few extra letters in each profile or advertisement, unfortunately. After all, is only a few bytes per word. An aside, when will, virtual character rights be enshrined in the constitution? Virtual characters are human, yes?! too much typing.. linBDSM, linSEX, linSlave, linGor, linGorean, etc.... |
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Qie Niangao
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Join date: 24 May 2006
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04-28-2009 16:18
I can argue from authority too. I've been writing and using virtual world software for almost 30 years, and I can say with absolute confidence that they have not rewritten "sizable portions" of Second Life. They have made absolutely minimal modifications to the server and client. They already have access controls... all they've added is an additional database value, maybe a couple of rows to a couple of tables, and a new packet and dialog box. If this involved changes of as many as a thousand lines of code in all their software, I would be astonished. _____________________
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Darien Caldwell
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04-28-2009 16:20
They'll come for the poseballs in your bedroom, mark my words. Then why not do it now? They have nothing to gain from dragging it out. In fact they have a lot to lose the longer this goes on. _____________________
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 16:21
Then why not do it now? They have nothing to gain from dragging it out. In fact they have a lot to lose the longer this goes on. If you put a frog in boiling water, he jumps instantly out If you put a frog in cold water, then turn up the heat slowly, he happily boils We're all frogs you know. |
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Darien Caldwell
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04-28-2009 16:22
Darien, here is a direct quote from a Linden that supports my thesis. This whole pogrom is "the first step". They aren't getting it right, and that in itself has got almost everyone (of the minority who actually know about it) upset, and rightly so. But it's that "first step" that really worries me. Yes: Linden Lab plans to ban all adult content from Second Life. That's the goal that this is the "first step" toward. That quote was in response to the request for "No PG in Search" (which personally I find retarded). That hardly indicates anything more than either A) they don't want to mess with too much at once, or B) a way to get the supporters of that to shut up lol. _____________________
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Valentine Young
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Join date: 15 Jan 2007
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maybe
04-28-2009 16:22
too much typing.. linBDSM, linSEX, linSlave, linGor, linGorean, etc.... do like the thought that LL will have to banish their own name or forever be tarred with LindenSex,..,LindenXXX being in the same category as the Edsel. |
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Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
Posts: 381
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04-28-2009 16:22
Adult Oriented content controls: educator meeting transcript
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6284 Adult Oriented content controls: merchant meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6285 Adult Oriented content controls: landowner meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6286 Adult Oriented content controls: definitions meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6287 |
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Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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04-28-2009 16:24
Then why not do it now? They have nothing to gain from dragging it out. In fact they have a lot to lose the longer this goes on. because the kids aren't here yet. When they do arrive, and they will arrive, then the poseballs will need to go from your PG land, which is what all mature land will become when the kids arrive. |
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Ilana Debevec
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04-28-2009 16:24
do like the thought that LL will have to banish their own name or forever be tarred with LindenSex,..,LindenXXX being in the same category as the Edsel.  |
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Christine Cabassoun
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Join date: 27 Apr 2009
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04-28-2009 16:25
Originally Posted by Alexander Harbrough Question... is the word 'adult' itself censored? and if not, would it be ok to say 'with adult poseballs' in an ad? No |
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Blondin Linden
Linden Lab Employee
Join date: 2 Jun 2008
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04-28-2009 16:26
Oh and Blondin, Since you seem to be on the forums right now maybe you can answer a question I had earlier.... What about items put on your mature land that might have adult words on them and the actual item (prim) is set to show in search? Lets say I have a sign in my store called a sex bed and lets say the word "sex" is filtered. The bed is marked to show in search. Someone searches all for my store. They see the listing of the items on my land that are set to show in search. Does that get shown or filterd? If you are advertising sex in your parcel description, your store will only show up in adult searches. Otherwise, your store will show up and your items will show up in the parcel details when someone clicks on it. |
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Ciaran Laval
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04-28-2009 16:28
If you are advertising sex in your parcel description, your store will only show up in adult searches. Otherwise, your store will show up and your items will show up in the parcel details when someone clicks on it. Oh FFS! This is extremely bloody silly, so it's really not at all feasible to sell mature items on mature land then. |
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Pari Perenti
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Join date: 24 Nov 2006
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We don't need Big Brother looking over our shoulder!
04-28-2009 16:31
Hey SL, you're becoming too much like a Big Brother to us. As in real life supposedly here in America, and as it should be everywhere, there should be 'Freedom of Speech', 'Freedom of the Press', and all the other freedoms and rights. We pay an awful lot to you guys for everything and I think it would be nice to be away from Big Brother. Those who get too queasy about things they see in SL need to stay in the PG places. Gee, how did you ever get along in the early days of SL.
We should be able to have our fanstasies here the way we want them, and if people infringe on stuff, well that's what the eject and ban button and tp's are for. It was bad enough you took away gambling in SL, which caused an awful lot of businesses to go under in SL, and it was even worse when you changed the Open Spaces and brought in the Homesteads, you just wanted even more money. Heck your the only ones who are really making money in SL from the high tiers you make us pay, and now you want to restrain us even further with the Adult monitoring. Just keep on SL, til you will not have an SL anymore because people will get fed up and go elsewhere to be able to carry out their dreams and fantasies!!! |
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Ayla Holt
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Join date: 17 May 2006
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04-28-2009 16:31
Adult Oriented content controls: educator meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6284 Adult Oriented content controls: merchant meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6285 Adult Oriented content controls: landowner meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6286 Adult Oriented content controls: definitions meeting transcript https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6287 Thank you so much for posting this. I have only read a bit of it so far and it is already helpful in answering my questions and concerns. I will make sure I take the time to read fully. |
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Darien Caldwell
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04-28-2009 16:33
If you put a frog in boiling water, he jumps instantly out If you put a frog in cold water, then turn up the heat slowly, he happily boils We're all frogs you know. hehe I don't know about that. If LL thinks people will just stop being who they are to stay in SL, they would be sorely mistaken. I give them more credit than that. If I wanted to get rid of Sex in SL, it would be pretty simple. Wipe out all the obvious sex related content, ban all the words completely so they return no results, And start aggressively banning any accounts that didn't comply with the no sex ban. Basically what they did with Gambling. It worked pretty well, and no it wasn't perfect. Companies tend to be creatures of habit. If they wanted it gone, they would do the same thing again. They are doing quite the opposite I think it's plain. But you know you guys are putting me in the uncomfortable position of lobbying on LL's side.  Believe me, LL is not my favorite company. Some things they do makes me downright angry. But I have to be as fair and impartial as I can when dealing with these kinds of things. I don't hold past history or the acts of individuals as factors in my decision. So in the interests of not becoming a cheerleader, and because I think i've said all I have to say, I'm now bowing out of the discussion. Thanks for the lively, yet polite debate. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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04-28-2009 16:39
Are there any words allowed that will show up in a mature search that wouldn't be allowed in a PG search?
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