Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Holy crap! A specific answer about the filtering?! Don't worry Blondin, we won't tell mark about this- just be more careful next time!


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Which obviously, some people don't. That's one of the many things that gets me about these changes. It's not as if a law was passed, or some governmental regulation violated.

LL is *choosing* this. Voluntarily, and with complete willingness, they are *deciding* to throw the whole of SL into a mixer, and then try to gather together the different things that settle out.

Shake it up real good and whatever sinks to the bottom first goes to ursula, whatever takes a while to sink goes to mature, and whatever floats goes to PG.

Except some stuff won't survive the shakeup. What a shakeup happens naturally, through unavoidable circumstances, it isn't fun, but at least you know it was simply the luck of the draw. But this is an *intentional* shakeup.

Adult content providers and consumers are *justified* in thinking that they have been targeted by this action, and the "mission creep" has expanded it to include Mature and PG residents as well.


All around, a bad idea- the most difficult, disruptive and ineffective way possible to try to achieve LL's goals.

It simply boggles the mind.

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"slave" gets flagged too. it's not just Goreans. it's is all slavery.

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Since this thread is the sticky, I'm just jumping in to incorporate by reference two related posts I just made:

/327/2d/318469/2.html#post2409119

and

/327/2d/318469/2.html#post2409151

I'm waiting with bated breath for the new PG definitions, because if they stay too restrictive they will turn out to be a bigger hassle for me than the Adult definitions.

I'm NOT going to alt up just so I can have a PG alt and an Adult alt, so if anyone's been thinking that's an option, the answer is NO. I'm always a Gorean and I'm always adult content.

It's like i said. Double faced morality and no clue what they are doing. LL employees does handle such causes like people at a government enterprise work; lazy pigs with no knowledge how to handle their job!
Thats far not interesting and funny if ALL of the ADULT content providers are at the same place. Are you bored, lindens?

Make my day and stop this shit.



Have you ever thinked about that you are preparing to keep this people out, who pay your loans?!

That case by case basis you show up ends always with the same useless solutions; the decision is always to your behalf.

Remember that business works following this policy; the customer is the king and the king is this who pays your loan! You (just) always have to do what your customer does need from you.

Add a x-check snap-in to keep minors out from adult content but DONT MOVE the whole content to one place. Learn to think you stubborn mules.

I see i t come that this adult content case who requires payment info goes the same useless way like the age verification it was; STILL NOT WORKING for my country and no hope that it ever works.

Pity to spend again my time for second life.

Good old Barney Frank and a sensible plan

Which means every store that sells any BDSM equipment will have to me or not be able to advertise anything using words from the banned word list. I hope Ursula is going to big enough for the free moves.

to hell with names- give us *numbers*. Tell us *how many* people are clamoring for this, and tell us exactly what they are *asking* for.

Blondin, you know as well as the rest of us that this plan simply will *not* fix any of the problems that most residents complain about.

In order to fix these problems, it is necessary to reshuffle the sims to different servers based upon content rating. literally swap one sim for another on a different continent.

My group has land on the PLusia sim. If LL took PLusia, and traded it to for a PG sim in the middle of Mature- moved it to a different continent lock, stock and barrel, how difficult would that be?

Segregate PG and Mature- suddenly nobody has to look across a sim border and see a gang-bang.

Then stop registering *new* unverified accounts. Leave the ones that you already have in place.

Then restrict access to the *PG* sims to verified accounts only.

That gets rid of the griefers. that gets rid of the "freenis" bumpers. That gets rid of the "unpredictable" element.

As they violate the rules, ban them. they'll have to verify somehow to get in- so you'll have a record.

BUt as long as you have PG and Mature sims mixed all together, you'll have problems. taking one segment of Mature out of the mix and putting is somewhere "safe" doesn't help.

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Sadly, yes.
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I hope that they listen to you, but I doubt that they will

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Blondin Linden Post #6160 page 411

Last paragraph.

HTH

Yeah right. You were in IT and you would allow the SL viewer onto all of your desktops? Along with the bandwidth? Plus the voice client? And the minimum one week training on how to use the client? And no Powerpoint, whiteboard, desktop, etc., etc. Gimme a break you silly excuse for another candy bar...

I agree that Blondin should not be gratuitously insulted. If nothing else, it is counter-productive. Just because we *don't like* the answers he is giving, doesn't mean that we don't *need the answers*.

Blondin is, unfortunately the face of Linden Labs on this forum. He is the lightning rod, and the whipping boy. That's why they pay him the big bucks

However, that doesn't make him our *enemy*. he is also the only one of Linden Labs who is reading our posts. if any of our ideas get through to LL, it will be through *him*.

It is a classic case of "don't shit where you eat" people. let's all calm down and save the venom for the thing that deserves it- this *policy*.

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History saw many regimes going through all the time, trouble and expense to not only rewrite sizeable portions of whatever, but create a whole new Gulag, Camp, Township, Ghetto, Censorship, etc.

Regimes are never too lazy or too poor to create giant bureaucracies and specific codes of behavior and locations and tricky rules and putting much efforts and money in, to pack people into stigmatisized containers (metaphoric). Sometimes they let them live there, sometimes they burn them there, but in any case it is not a too good argument, that they're doing some efforts to do so would be a sign for "compromises" or good will.

To separate blacks from whites needed such efforts and controlling and to deplace jews and natives needed such efforts and controlling and to search and find arts and books and whatever cultural developements to hide, lock and burn needed such efforts and so on...

All these Regimes made all giant efforts to establish specific discriminations, zones, camps, rules.

In the beginning it looks ever like a "compromise"..."hey, be happy, we did something for you"

But no one in this forum asked the Lindens to establish such a thing.

So, the fact that LL is doing something, makes the company not unguilty. LL is on a way to touch essentials of the inner core of the human condition, basics of freedom, plus individual and collective dingnity and nature in general.

They do a positive discrimination for a specific target-group of people while doing a negative discrimination for another specific target-group of people at the same time, for whatever reasons - but non of these reasons can be accepted if one is an 18+ adult and self-responsible.

I stated it hundred times: I am not against ideas to - maybe - create kind of social biotopes for comfort reasons, because any group or individual is free to do so and to be there by free choice, but - and this is important - this has to happen in full accordance with us and in any case in a non-reactionary and non-repressive way, otherwise it has not to happen - and if it happens in a reactionary and repressive way, then is any sort of legitimated resistance an obligation for any 18+ adult with a dignity.

Just for the basic principies of civilisation and even a business IS part of the civilisation. Values wich cannot be contered by anyone, even not companies, because it doesn't matter in wich camouflage a discrimination comes - can be a government, an army or a company or a religous organisation or whatever group of people and interests. That is my view on such cases. Even while I do see the values and idea behind your more optimistic view on this, but me is from a country where things happened in history and I live now in the neighbor-country where the same things happened too only 70 years before - and by education I got a specific sensoric or alarm radar on things like that and a kind of inner obligation to point on them and to critizise them and maybe to fight against them - with words or any other legitimate protest behavoir, where they are crossing my way.

In opposite to that I could also leave the "game" - but as we all here: I like SL. The company I like not. We liked to help them to do that in a better way, but all suggestions in this direction are ignored by them,or wiped away with sentences like "this meets not our criterias for our program".

This reminds me on much historical examples...

Resist the beginnings...

You realize that this action looks *incredibly* bad, don't you? that list was made up of words that triggered the 1.23 beta client software. it said that it wasn't the final version. It was an ongoing list of what triggers the filters *so far*.

Blondin, it looks like LL is trying to *cover up* its plans for content re-definition (which is more accurate that saying "adult content"- the policy changes affect more than just adult content. they also re-define "mature" and "PG"

LL could go a long way towards regaining resident trust by dropping back and punting.

Announce the *goals* of the policy on the login screen and ask for *ideas* on the best way to do it. Include your residents. LL would have to be a pack of *fools* to ignore all the brainpower and expertise available to them in the user base.

Hell if it's a matter of manpower, *I* will volunteer to do a preliminary weeding out of all of the english posts that are "har-har" junk, okay?

I'll take personal responsibility for sorting them, and passing along *any* suggestion at all.

I'm sure that any number of others on this forum and outside it would offer the same.

You have tens of thousands of brains from all over the world and all walks of life available to you, and yet you cling to this *train wreck* of a policy.

Why?

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Bla bla bla bla bla.

Make my day and stop this shit!

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Schön geschrieben aber es sieht so aus dass DIE trotz der ganzen Kriegerei die deren Nation angestiftet hat doch nichts daraus gelernt haben.

Es wird zeit für ein neues, offeneres und weniger doppelzüngiges SL!

LS, I'm thinking that what we'll need is a way to advertise outside of SL. A place where people can advertise their "mature" business using whatever words they like.

We also need a secure archive of what Blondin has said, when LL has said, hosting to the brown bag sessions, etc. copies of old TOS documents, and new one with the changes highlighted.

we need an archive to go back to. in case LL reaps the whirlwind with a class action suit- proof of our agreements with LL and the ways in which they changed those agreements arbitrarily.


Just my suggestions, of course, but I'd say that what we'll *need* is a repository of evidence in case a bunch of us decide to sue, and a way to get around stupid policies like banning mentions of songbirds in advertising.


But then, I'm pretty subversive


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I love the quote in the definition- "The net interprets censorship as damage, and re-routes it"

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Don't shoot the messenger.

or maybe he just want to plan a reunion or something- sort of a "what have you been doing since SL cratered?" thing What the hell- I'll stick around


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You see, now we have a answer to the question "Surely Linden Labs wouldn't be brazen enough to (fill in the blank)?"

The answer is

"Yes, they would"

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You do realize you just Godwined the thread. Comparing this to Nazi concentration camps is just retarded. On the off chance you can be reasoned with, I'll just say, LL doesn't have to coerce, trick or fool anybody. They can make millions vanish in an instant. A power I'm sure Hitler would have loved. With that power, such concepts as concentration camps become completely unnecessary.

And with that, i'm definitely done here lol.

I don't know- If they are gonna throw horror movies into the "adult" category (Depictions of death, etc.) I think that it's only fair for *slavery* to keep them company.

LL's definitions leave a *lot* to be desired, but Gorean RP can include sex anytime, anywhere. That means that they would be happier playing in a place where it can happen that way, rather than trying to wiggle around the "mature" land rules.

If I was a gorean, I'd *want* to be on Ursula! No more tight-assed vampires killing my buzz when I'm getting my rock off in public? freedom to do *what* I want, where and when *I* want?
What's not to love about that?

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LOL No I never said that. There are all those issues and many more. But in many corporations, IT would raise such issues, but does not have final say on how businesses are run. All it takes is a VP with visions of travel cost savings, being ahead of their competitors (or catching up), or any number of reasons good or bad to push for a thorough investigation or even a pilot project.

What I am saying is the NSFW content as it stands now on SL would likely be a big problem for a number of corporations in the US and could derail many such forays.

all the desktops??? LMAO

Slavery is also adult. It isn't just the sexual side of Gor they object to. Unfortunately, Gor has Slavery, Sex, and combat RP (violence) going against it- it wins the trifecta.

I know that it will be a Giant pain to move, but hey, at least goreans will be able to do whatever, when ever, with all al the AR troubles.

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