Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

(about advertising loophole for selling Adult content on sub-Adult land)Good point. That XstreetSL advertising should be pretty easy to expose in the viewer's web-browser, too, even on sub-Adult land. Hmmm...

(Actually, I'm not going to do anything with that. I think avoiding a move to Adult land is both stupidly short-sighted and shamefully dishonest to those who will move. It's self-inflicted divide-and-conquer.)

just a thought- how easy would an open Wiki be to change? and would that negate it's usefulness as evidence it a court of law? I would say that a locked archive would also be necessary, to make sure that it doesn't lose its probative value.

Not a lawyer of anything, just trying to think like one

^V^

(1) Client 1.23 alpha version, Search button/all tab, Mature checkbox checked, adult checkbox not checked. Enter "Gorean" as search term. Result:

"Some terms in your search query were excluded due to content restrictions as clarified in the Community Standards.
There were no matches for (0.056939 seconds)"

(2) Adult checkbox checked, same search:

Results 1 - 10 of about 10500 for Gorean (0.088222 seconds)

Scrolling down to entry 901, Comfort - Modern Furniture, the word Gorean does not appear in the entry, so I have no idea why it appears in the results, or is filtered at mature level.

As far as advertising outside of Linden Lab servers Blondin already let slip that Linden Lab would consider that as part and parcel to advertising on LL server space. Of course this flies in the face of the long established policy of anything not in Linden Lab server space is out of their control so I guess the lawyers are going to be seriously busy policing the entire internet for posted chat logs and such now.

I.e.; I don't think LL can do anything about it but then again they can just delete you account under the catch all no reason needed clause if you do stuff they don't like.

LOL yes i agree there and although i have 2 pc's to work on i only have one pair of hands lol I know the admins read these threads so perhaps they can lock down threads as they are completed and i will drop them a message as well and suggest this

QFT. I have been thinking about this for several days now, and I have read *all* the posts (and no, it wasn't a waste of time). What I see happening at the moment is this: at first everyone was fully against the whole new policy and now we are more and more fighting only the details... we're boiling along nicely...

If they're not transcripts, they shouldn't be described as transcripts.

Blondin? Are those actual transcripts or not? If not, when will actual transcripts of the meetings be made available?

Does someone have a good voice transcription program they can run it through?

MediaWiki keeps a history of all changes made to the page.

Call it XXXStreetAndFriends.com

You can also test them by using search.secondlife.com

OK, so what Blondin said, in relation to trying to do something in addition to what's being done already was that they want to get this part (that they have been talking about doing) before doing anything else that has been suggested (re change to the browser). In fact the paragraph starts "As for implementing this Jira in the new 1.23 viewer" I quote:


Then Lindal used this to say:


Argent, if this is what Lindal was referring to, then it's such a small snippet and the interpretation ignores the context that it was in. Lindal - if what you posted really IS a different direct quote, could you provide a reference please?

In my opinion LL are doing enough to badly manage this - we don't need to be spreading misinformation on top of it. Therefore I ask Lindal to provide a reference.

I have my doubts, that LL-personal would be able to understand any of the ~50 local dialects of the german language wich are available from Zurich (Switzerland) to Strassbourg (France), from Liechtenstein to Luxemburg, from parts of Belgium to parts of the Netherlands, from Hamburg (Germany) to Eisenstadt (Austria) - and same counts for any other european language. It is maybe not too diff to identify spanish for them, but they will have a big ? over their heads if they have to deal with the spanish dialect katalan and some other totaly different dialects there, or some Belgium Flams or Wallonian dialect, italian regions dialects and the different languages and dialects of former yugoslavia countries, like Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia and so on. Not to forget surrounding countries like Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Kosovo, the baltic states, Scandinavia, all former Sowjet Union states and whatever is available on this planet.

Ok, that shrinks the customer base per shop and nationality in game, but: if LL plays further stupid games with us, we can react to each of their penetrant impertinences. No problem!

They think all in A-cowboy-english, but we can create a babylonic language chaos and local national dialect-mess around the globe on websites, if they like. Alone Austria where I live now has up to 9-10 different main and several very exclusive local dialects and they are understandable for austrian citizens but not for outsiders from the US wich have in best case maybe a very basic school german once learned.

So we can advertise much in this way for our ten thousands of german speaking people for example. France can do the same and all others - in game and on private websites. No prob.

Thank you very much! I will do that after work.

Thanks Argent i have just looked and indeed they do document the changes in detail in fact

Blondin, I have mentioned this a few times and have got no response from you. As I feel that it is vital for making this as painless as possible (which is a matter of debate) I feel the need to reiterate here.

I really appreciate that you are coming in here and giving answers to people's questions about how this plan will be implemented. Unfortunately the published documentation sometimes conflicts with answers that you have given here, or does not go into anywhere near enough detail for an impartial observer to reach the same conclusions that you have.

I presume that you are basing your answers on discussions with other Lindens, and not your personal opinions, so I think that it is vital for everyone's sanity that we see those captured in an official Linden Document that can be referenced down the line. My suggestion is to provide these answers as examples of how the plan should be implemented.

Residents doing it on their own sites will not carry any weight with the Linden employees that have the job of enforcing these standards - I think that it is vital that they be published officially.

Have you made any progress on making this happen yet?

An example of how urgent this is is the claim I documented yesterday that a particular Linden had said to a resident that there was a way to bypass all of this by putting a content warning sign and designating a landing point in the sim. I find that a tad hard to believe, I'm afraid, but this is the sort of misinformation that is propagating right now, as everyone tries to work things out. It is vital that we have a common "knowledge base" to work from as far as these sorts of things, don't you agree?

slapt.me is good slapt and apt

I hope they do and soon but doubt they are ready to release it to us yet as they cannot even inform the general customer base but have left it to us to inform those that we can.



Our wiki for instance is just a mirror of what is being said and hopefully FAQs, statements etc. that LL post as they get posted more for historical reference and i certainly hope that no Linden uses our site as a reference point on policy However it is still a good idea to have something somewhere else and outside of LL servers so as much info leaks to the web for historical purposes, we hope this will be an organic project and grow, if not then it will always remain on our servers and this particular domain. Its a wait and see project



I would love to see an answer to this also



I hope that the chat log is posted somewhere as i would love to read it, as i certainly log any chats i have with Lindens in case i need to reference it at a later date or publish it if ever the need arises to prove any points that i may have to. LL just love "Confusion Marketing" tactics.

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An Adult Bot could work like this:

(1) You send it a word via instant message, it returns SLurls from search.
The bot itself of course would have to be verified.

(2) You send it a word, it returns SLurls from an independant website or database,
such database allowing proper, unfiltered search terms.

I think it will be easier though for a lot of businesses just to have a sign that says "Click here to find my adult items, which gives a notecard/landmark, and explanation how to verify.
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The question then becomes at what level the "Adult" words will get you in trouble on mature or PG land:

(a) Land title and description: pretty clear that you can't use them there
(b) Item set to show in search with adult words in title or description?
(c) Item NOT set to show in search, adult words in title or description, but rezzed on the property?
(d) Notecard giver or script that gives chat on landing which use adult words?
Floating text on objects?
(f) Texture of a sign containing adult words?
(g) Chatbot (avatar, but automated) which gives adult words in local chat?
Chatbot which gives adult words in IM?
(i) Group notices?
(j) Group chat?
(k) Chatbot which gives adult words in voice chat?
(l) Live person who uses adult words in local chat, IM, or voice?

.. well as I understand them anyway.

any comments re accuracy are appreciated

http://satiateddesires.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/second-life-adult-content-changes-how-theyll-affect-you/?


it's long for a blog post though.. it probably needs splitting up

the one thing I've done is deliberately keep away from the issues around all of this.. This is a post of the facts (!) as we supposedly know them

Considering how his banking committee has wrecked our economy, I wouldn't trust anything coming from that one....but that's just me.

You can also test it with the SL search on the website:

http://search.secondlife.com/search.php

(although that one only does a PG level search, not mature, for mature you need to use a 1.23 viewer)

Since it's only accessible by people who have account verified, I would hope it only shows up in Adult results....

there will be a lot of verifieds who won't have adult switched on because they don't want to see ads for sex rooms when they're looking for a couch or a tree.

that's where we lose customers. It effectively means we're shut off from selling anything other than smut

During the American Revolution, some of the pamphlets distributed in support of the revolution were signed "Publius" to hide the actual writer's names. This was to prevent them being arrested/shot/whatever by the British.

There is no reason you have to connect your outside website to your avatar name or real name on file with Linden Labs. You can, if you want to, but you don't have to.

Since this is an English language forum, I offer up this approximate translation so that everyone can understand:

"Beautifully written but it looks like THEY, in spite of all the wars that their nation caused, still haven't learned anything from it.

It's becoming time for a new, more open, less double-tongued SL!"